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Photos of Dr. Crimmy’s e-liquid manufacturing facility have surfaced on Reddit, supposedly taken by an ex-employee.

Labels of the company can clearly been seen in a couple of the photos, along with many other cringe-worthy items. Dr. Crimmy’s was very visible on Guide to Vaping’s Best of 2014, ranking in the top three of several categories.

View the photo album of Dr. Crimmy’s lab here.
 

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$20/bottle for garage juice. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Actually, my garage is cleaner than this by a mile.
 

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Moral of the story: keep your employees happy. If you're running a shady lab or a sweat shop, treat your people well so they'll keep your secret. You never know when one of them will take photos of your operation and post them on the internet.

Of all the disgusting crap in these photos, the ones that get me the most are the exposed walls with insulation hanging out. Forget all the open bottles and dirty rags. Forget the spills all over the place. Forget the fans on the floor blowing dirt up into the air. The fact that they're mixing juice in a place with exposed insulation says to me: "we don't give a fuck about anything but making money."
 

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Didn't look all together different than these. :confused:
I remember those. They weren't this bad. There were some bottles on the floor, and a leak or two I think. Then there was a shirtless guy and some people sitting around playing cards in the lab. Those guys took some major backlash, and most of it was warranted.

But this is way worse IMHO.

We've all seen photos of dirty/unacceptable "labs". It's a pipe dream to think that all these liquid vendors make juice in a clean room. Hell, the average m*th cook probably has higher standards to be honest.
 

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Well, that was interesting. o_O

What happened to that "Cajun" or whatever, southern or maybe Texas juice maker that had photos leaked a couple three months ago?

Didn't look all together different than these. :confused:

Still in business. Texas rebel juice.
 

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I just mix in my tiny little office on my desk, and it's a zillion times cleaner than this mess.....:confused:
Being in food service and restaurant management as I am, I have to wonder if these "labs" don't have to go through some type of health inspection. After all, their product is consumed via mouth/lungs into the body and one would think they would have to pass inspections just like a restaurant. Just the presence of the bug would be a critical on a health inspection, as well as product being stored on a bare floor, let alone the rags thrown randomly about. I know it isn't a restaurant, but their product is still manufactured for human consumption.
Never tried Dr. Crimmy's and now I never will....
 

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This makes me think and wonder...
How many other juice vendor's have such an immaculate mixing station(s)?

For a vendor that is mixing and selling their product at extravagant prices you would think that they would not cut costs in such a downright unsanitary manner.

Attention: Juice makers
I highly recommend that you be certain that you have a sanitary mixing station because SOON whistleblowers are going to reveal just how sanitary your mixing station's are.

P.S. This is not a suggestion!
 

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I would not automatically assume that a cordless drill, with a phillips bit in it, is used for mixing. Thats a pretty bold assumption to be blasting in an article like that. Its a really far jump to get to that conclusion, especially in an unfinished basement.

As for everything else, yea its a fucking pig pen. But the part about the drill is unfounded speculation.
 

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I would not automatically assume that a cordless drill, with a phillips bit in it, is used for mixing. Thats a pretty bold assumption to be blasting in an article like that. Its a really far jump to get to that conclusion, especially in an unfinished basement.

As for everything else, yea its a fucking pig pen. But the part about the drill is unfounded speculation.
Not hardly. Unfounded speculation would be saying they use underage slave labor to mix this e-liquid. There is zero evidence to support such a statement. A cordless drill photographed next to mixing equipment is not a "really far jump", though I very clearly pointed out in the article that it could just as easily be used for construction.

I still think they are nasty since they said the photos was taken during a upgrade. Say what? The video did not impress me at all. Just my own viewpoint.

I agree. Even if the photos are old, these conditions still existed at some point. Doesn't really matter if it was yesterday or 6 months ago.
 

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Not hardly. Unfounded speculation would be saying they use underage slave labor to mix this e-liquid. There is zero evidence to support such a statement. A cordless drill photographed next to mixing equipment is not a "really far jump", though I very clearly pointed out in the article that it could just as easily be used for construction.

You certainly did say that it could have been used for construction purposes, then said that it could have been used for construction AND mixing juice. This makes the possibility of 'drill mixing' REALLY bad, certainly worse than a clean drill bit mixing juice (which doesnt work very well anyways). Hence, you hyped up the unsanitary picture, as if it needed to be made worse than it already was in the pics.

No big deal really, im just debating necessity of painting that particular picture. My point is, there is enough damning evidence in these pics, so no jumps of any sort are necessary.
 

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threads like this tend to piss me off

so v4p3r.com posts this damning evidence. and everyone jumps on the band wagon.

looking at those pics i find
a disgusting floor -so what - are they mixing on the floor?
now there are some bottles on the floor - so that is bad but looking at how clean all the other bottles appear - my mind tends to wonder why leave a few on the floor? and there could be a good reason such as bad product they are going to throw out

i see a bug in a box - um ok thats disgusting but - shit happens and it could have been put there for the photo - and thos emay have beena bad batch that were being trashed hence why they were left open,

I see one section of wall that is nasty, but no product is touching the wall

i see IMMACULATE looking tables w/the exception of that drill - which could have been put there for the photo

i see trash everywhere ON THE FLOOR and a pile of boxes waiting to be trashed by the bathroom - OH NO

I see empty pails and some with things in it - hmm maybe they are using the pails as make shift trash cans?

Mostly where I see product I SEE CLEANLINESS even the shelving is CLEAN

Now could it be better there, could they be more tidy with trash - YES

based on their own fb video - i tend to believe this is pictures taken during a transition. NO evidence shows they were making juices in this room, and their new facilities are way more then most would expect for cleanliness
 

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@SMOKIE you should ask joe to do that first so I dont have to stay awake, the rant sound sinteresting
Guests come on at 11 PM est but you can always watch the replay.
 

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Unbelievable! There was definitely at 1 point n time when they were mixing this juice up at that disgusting place. All the evidence is there. They have been exposed! Kinda makes one wonder if they are the only ppl out there that are this way. I'm glad I know where my juice comes from. Hopefully that was the only place that would do such a thing.

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ye sther eis so much evidence they mixe din that room
TOns of evidence

and so wha
the tables, bottles shelves chairs are all immaculate

the only problem is that wall but nothing is on that wall

the concrete floor is STAINED OMG!!!! I seriously doubt hey are putting the juice on the bare floor and mixing it up, the siphoning it up off the floor to put in bottles.

The bug - could be staged, but lots of us have those stupid stink bugs every where. and those tips could have been used or defective and being trashed

And OMG there is a drill on the table - apparently though no mixing was going on, so they may have cleaned that spot of the table later
The bathroom has trash in front of it, theres trash on the floor and in empty pails OMG they are not the TIDIEST PEOPLE ON THE PLANET.

I do not see a work station in the bathroom.

I think either my computer screen sucks, there are other photos then what the OP posted, or you people are over reacting
 

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This reminds me of the saying 'you would never eat if you saw how it was made' or something along them lines anyway.

If people believe that all juice they are buying is made in a sterile grade A kitchen, then they are sadly mistaken, yes of course there is a lot of juice companies doing it right, but probably more not though. Only way to be sure what your vaping, is to DIY, which hopefully I can get back into.
 

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It will be interesting to see how this interview shakes out on Mod Envy. Hopefully punches won't be pulled and favoritism shown like with the Rip Trippers/Twisted420 drama. That was a train wreck.

The truth needs to come out here. Not the VU network doing some kind of schmooze job.
 

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It will be interesting to see how this interview shakes out on Mod Envy. Hopefully punches won't be pulled and favoritism shown like with the Rip Trippers/Twisted420 drama. That was a train wreck.

The truth needs to come out here. Not the VU network doing some kind of schmooze job.
your one to talk about truth. you are clearly trying to get people to your blog with the way you made the original post. you intentionally stirred the pot.
 

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It will be interesting to see how this interview shakes out on Mod Envy. Hopefully punches won't be pulled and favoritism shown like with the Rip Trippers/Twisted420 drama. That was a train wreck.

The truth needs to come out here. Not the VU network doing some kind of schmooze job.
your one to talk about truth. you are clearly trying to get people to your blog with the way you made the original post. you intentionally stirred the pot.
I agree with both of you
 

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I ordered 4 bottles of DrCrimmys about a month ago before the pics leaked. They all been steeping and I just started to get in them earlier this week.
Peach Yogurt is pretty spot on.
Crunch Berries with milk another spot on juice.
Peanut butter and jelly flavor was good but it was a tad harsh, (Maybe a bug pooped in that one :) )
Apple Pie alamode another spot on flavor

I smoked cigarettes for 30 years and typically don't have to high of standards :\ so I will probably order again even after the photos.
They might be on to something, maybe the dirt grime and bugs give it that added flavor like grandmas cooking :p
 

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your one to talk about truth. you are clearly trying to get people to your blog with the way you made the original post. you intentionally stirred the pot.
That's what I do. That's my shtick, and I clearly embrace it.

But here's the thing: no matter what I write or say in an interview, it pales in comparison to what the online vaping community as a whole writes and says. This community is a parody of itself, and I'm mostly just pointing a finger and laughing. Ya'll are so eager to eat your own that all I ever have to do is hold the spoon for you.
 

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That's what I do. That's my shtick, and I clearly embrace it.

But here's the thing: no matter what I write or say in an interview, it pales in comparison to what the online vaping community as a whole writes and says. This community is a parody of itself, and I'm mostly just pointing a finger and laughing. Ya'll are so eager to eat your own that all I ever have to do is hold the spoon for you.
you sir are a joke. you are using this community for you own personal gain and amusement. I mean Joe uses the community for his own personal financial gain and we know it, but at least he does actually care about the community and tries to better it. you are intentionally trying to destroy it while getting amusement form that destruction and trying to profit off it.

Some days I wish this place was like those bad reality TV shows and we could vote you off
 

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you sir are a joke. you are using this community for you own personal gain and amusement. I mean Joe uses the community for his own personal financial gain and we know it, but at least he does actually care about the community and tries to better it. you are intentionally trying to destroy it while getting amusement form that destruction and trying to profit off it.

Some days I wish this place was like those bad reality TV shows and we could vote you off
Guess what? This place is exactly like those bad reality TV shows.
 

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Oh I see you're the bored adolescent jerk-off....thanks for clairfying...

es condescending as well. He has an online magazine about vaping. He tries to get people to go to his magazine sit by stirring the pot, using bad journalism techniques and cares less about the vaping community as a whole. I would highly suggest noone visit this person's website or do anything to contribute to its future success.
 

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That's what I do. That's my shtick, and I clearly embrace it.

But here's the thing: no matter what I write or say in an interview, it pales in comparison to what the online vaping community as a whole writes and says. This community is a parody of itself, and I'm mostly just pointing a finger and laughing. Ya'll are so eager to eat your own that all I ever have to do is hold the spoon for you.

I have to ask, are you writing your articles to inform people and advocate vaping? Or is the motivation to goad, point fingers, and laugh? As a community and vaping as a whole, we have more than enough crap and disinformation to deal with due to the antz targeting vaping. Exposing unsanitary conditions at a juice lab is one thing (and needed!), but to disrespect the community you write about as a whole, as evidenced in this thread, is concerning. If you want traffic to your site, think about other ways than click bait and open condescension of vapers. Face facts, you aren't doing yourself any favors by coming across as a condescending and disrespectful vape media representative.
 

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Not withstanding the drill in the photo. I don't need that to arrive at my conclusions. That facility WAS in use, and not just being used as storage.

No grown man transports and stores a cooker with the tank attached. See photo

Folding chairs are folded while in storage. I'm just saying.

Bucket with valve sitting on the edge of the table, so liquid could be dispensed.

And the employee in the video, that looked like he was putting on safety booties for the first time ever. They're not THAT complicated at all.

Having said all that. I would still come closer to buying juice from this guy, than one of those shiny Chinese labs. But I won't be buying from either.
 

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i saw nothing in those photos around the actual things used to produce a bottle of eliquid that was unsanitary. You can have a drill sitting on the same table and it not contaminate anything. Stains on a concrete floor will not contaminate anything. THE ONLY CONCERN was the stink bug... and lets face it those things get in everything everywhere. And once again could have been staged by the DISGRUNTLED employee. There were plenty of gloves that were discarded. SO apparently the use gloves when mixing. THAT is a plus. EVERY flavoring bottle looked clean and the dispensing tips for all the ingredients looked clean ANOTHER HUGE PLUS. The tables looked spotless Another plus.

That disgusting wall. well the shelving holding supplies was moved away from it and the other wall and looked IMMACULATE as well. ANOTHER PLUS

Now i will say i just clicked the link for the 4th time in 2 days... and there are many many more photos now showing for me then previously.

But I still don't see the issues.

I do notice this....those pictures are of at least 2 different rooms... you can tell by the floor.

You can see construction, so there is no lie these pics were taken during a time of transition

It appears to me efforts were taken to keep things clean while mixing.

Could they have done better...maybe


I highly doubt any of the pictures show how NORMAL business is done there.

Honestly I feel there is a lot of over reaction

I feel people like the OP are intentionally making a mountain out of mole hill for their own personal gain.

the vaping community is truly its own worse enemy.
 

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Honestly I feel there is a lot of over reaction
In my latest post, I show where Dr. Crimmy's applied for 2 building permits. These are a matter of public record, and are easily looked up. One is for a site inspection, and dated 10/14. The other is for a $10k construction project, dated 5/15. Matty Ice claimed in his video that he has been sitting on these photos since July, which makes perfect sense if construction began around May, since you can clearly see construction in progress in the photos.

This video uploaded by Dr. Crimmy's is not a "new" or "transitioned" facility. It is in fact the same building. The ultimate questions here are: how long did the construction process actually take? Were they mixing liquid in that building during construction? What did the building look like before construction?

We can answer two of those with a high degree of certainty:

1) Before the renovation, clearly the building was a shit hole. If you ignore all of the vape mess, you can see what a crappy place it was. If it wasn't a shit hole, it wouldn't have needed renovated in the first place.

2) Yes, they were most likely still using the same building while it was under construction. The photos clearly show construction in progress along with mixing ingredients and work stations that had seen recent use. It's now a given that this is also the same building they have occupied before construction, so it stands to reason that they have been mixing e-liquid here non-stop the whole time.
 

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@exodus if you look in the DIY section you can clearly find I am a DIY person myself.I have no connection to them. BUt your statement is the perfect example of everyone looking for the worst in this community.

I am not saying Dr crimmy is a model for all to follow.

I am just sick and tired of everything being blown out of proportion.

@bad journalist OP guy

How in the world can you say the place was a shit hole before renovation. you have no pre renovation pictures. IT IS OBVIOUS these were taking DURING renovation. You have no clue and either do I of what that place looked like.

The carpets and dry wall and had all been removed from the looks of it and new walls were being put up etc.


Where is the praise for a company, to take what they have and IMPROVE IT and make it better then what most places are doing. That new lab look nice to me.

As to the man in the video looking like he didnt know how to use footies and what not. Maybe the guy doesnt like to be in a video for the whole internet and was nervous not everyone is comfortable on camera

look my points are these
1. pictures are of a transition, you have no idea what conditions were previous to this
2. those posting the info probably have ulterior motives
3. there are other things to notice and other conclusions to be drawn other then the WORST Possible conclusion
4. dr crimmy's is trying to improve the place they are in...shouldn't that be worth something

too often with posts like this online in the vaping community we get carried away and see only the worst and most negative things. peoples reputations get ruined and sometimes they are run out of business. Im am merely trying to point out alternatives to the all the negatives and get people to think for themselves and draw their own conclusions

I have never bought nor will i probably ever buy dr crimmy I make my own
 

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I have to ask, are you writing your articles to inform people and advocate vaping? Or is the motivation to goad, point fingers, and laugh? As a community and vaping as a whole, we have more than enough crap and disinformation to deal with due to the antz targeting vaping. Exposing unsanitary conditions at a juice lab is one thing (and needed!), but to disrespect the community you write about as a whole, as evidenced in this thread, is concerning. If you want traffic to your site, think about other ways than click bait and open condescension of vapers. Face facts, you aren't doing yourself any favors by coming across as a condescending and disrespectful vape media representative.

I think he is BOTH. He writes to inform AND feed the need of many to eat whoever is up for the next Mayan sacrifice.

It IS true. Everyone has the reality TV mentality. People WANT the drama. Hell, even Joe knows that. Look at the uproar with the rip dripper scandal. Everyone was ready to burn RIP at the cross. Pffft.

You are a likeable guy Zam, but look around and take off the rose colored glasses. I think Anthony is doing fine. I wouldn't take the guff off people either.

Some dude spits in my eye, I ain't offering hugs either. I'll punch em in the lip.
 

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I think he is BOTH. He writes to inform AND feed the need of many to eat whoever is up for the next Mayan sacrifice.

It IS true. Everyone has the reality TV mentality. People WANT the drama. Hell, even Joe knows that. Look at the uproar with the rip dripper scandal. Everyone was ready to burn RIP at the cross. Pffft.

You are a likeable guy Zam, but look around and take off the rose colored glasses. I think Anthony is doing fine. I wouldn't take the guff off people either.

Some dude spits in my eye, I ain't offering hugs either. I'll punch em in the lip.
Sums it up nicely, thank you. I was avoiding posting a reply to Zam's post because I figured someone who "gets it" would be along shortly.

Yes, I attempt to do both, and it's not an easy line to walk. Zam, if you think people don't buy into the hype, or that they don't start circling when there's blood in the water, you're dead wrong. The #1 posts on my site (even months later) continues to be the Twisted420/Rip Trippers drama. People can't get enough of it, to the tune of hundreds and sometimes thousands of views each day. That's the nature of this beast. This "community" thrives on conflict and drama, it's just a fact.

V4P3R.com does not accept dollars from sponsors or sell ads to vendors for a reason. I don't owe anyone anything. So if some forum keyboard warrior comes along once in awhile to kick dirt in my eye, I'm going to tie their shoe laces together.
 

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I respect a writer that doesn't give a shit if the audience LIKES what he says or not. He writes what he sees is what is happening.

I respect a guy who is NOT owned by anyone. I can trust their opinion a lot more than someone who gets their shit for free or gets revenue from ad space.

It's fucked up that ANY "lab" would look like a shit hole like that. Even worse when it's a trusted/big brand vendor. This is stuff you are putting INTO your body. I have seen butcher shops cleaner and more organized than that glorified bathroom. Anyone defending that lab, probably would eat off the floor their dogs piss on too. Not everyone has a high level of expectations when it come to hygiene and cleanliness. Just don't try to tell me that steaming turd, is chocolate cake.......

And another thing I'll add.... It's not like V4P3R eMAG is making these articles up. SOMEONE is telling the story. Someone is spreading the "rumor" or what have you. HE is just reporting on it. THEN come people that don't "like" the article and press on with personal attacks. Be it how he worded something or about what he reported. Offering up their own assumptions.

Hell I have been attacked just the same over a review for a JUNK assed SMAUG box. Mine was JUNK, J-U-N-K. I took personal attacks because of what I reported.

So I hope he glues their fucking door locks too, not just tying their shoes string together. Throw in a bag of dog shit on fire and a ringing door bell too for good measure.
 

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Sums it up nicely, thank you. I was avoiding posting a reply to Zam's post because I figured someone who "gets it" would be along shortly.

Yes, I attempt to do both, and it's not an easy line to walk. Zam, if you think people don't buy into the hype, or that they don't start circling when there's blood in the water, you're dead wrong. The #1 posts on my site (even months later) continues to be the Twisted420/Rip Trippers drama. People can't get enough of it, to the tune of hundreds and sometimes thousands of views each day. That's the nature of this beast. This "community" thrives on conflict and drama, it's just a fact.

V4P3R.com does not accept dollars from sponsors or sell ads to vendors for a reason. I don't owe anyone anything. So if some forum keyboard warrior comes along once in awhile to kick dirt in my eye, I'm going to tie their shoe laces together.

"Getting it" and the reality of the situation are two different things. True, people do love a great soap opera drama in the vape world. With that said, I think you over estimate vapers buying into the hype. There will always be zealots, haters, and folks who are prone to Schandenfreud, no matter the situation or issue. Freemind's suggestion that I take off my rose color glasses made me laugh quite a bit. Seeing a situation for what it is with limited facts versus creating a narrative to enhance and extrapolate facts is what I see with this vape drama of the week. Rose colored glasses serve to bring motives into focus. :D
 

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Let me drive a stake through this petty BS going on here.

What you see in this picture is what is commonly referred to as an order fulfillment center.

Please note the colored circles.

Yellow = Completed product, ready to ship
Green = Orders to be filled
Red = USPS shipping containers

I don't care what day of the week it was prior to, during, or after construction. This is someone concerned more about making a dollar, than keeping a clean work place. The fact the permits were recently issued, is meaningless. We all know the FED is about to swing the hammer on the vaping community as a whole. And he decided to get his $### together before they came calling, and shut his filthy @$$ down.

Sliding soapbox back under my desk.

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