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lttle young little skinny for me.
oops....me bad.......
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Eat a snickers bar, you'll feel better:)
 

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Do you really think we are going to have a choice when it's all said and done?
We will be damn lucky if flavors will still be legal.

What happens if we are not so lucky?
You think we are going to find black market eliquid made in labs and clean rooms?


I think food grade standards should be followed for now for clean rooms where eliquid is made.

It makes no sense at all for eliquid manufacturers who are making under $200.000 a year to spend 25, 30 grand on a lab when we have no clue whatsoever what the FDA will require of eliquid makers in just 3 small years.

I hope this vape "Community" sues the FDA no matter what the deeming regs say because if not fuck the vape community I'm out.

This needs to be decided in court NO MATTER WHAT.

The vendors who foot the bill for the lawyers will be the vendors I support from that day forward.
The FDA and "saftey" will be used as a canard and a scare tatic to take vaping out of the hands of the people and put into the hands of the corporations...independent juice makers will be put out of bussiness, but hey they can get a shit job atPhillip Morris......
One of the coolest parts of the Vaping Industry is it has given the world a chance to see how humanity can evolve into a healthier more enlightened , more democratic level ...once we get rid of the idea that freedom is dangerous..... and we need masters......the succsess of vaping is one of the biggest examples of how freedom works best that has occured in my lifetime.
 

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Let's not get too far off the beaten path here, kids. This all started because some zealot started waving their Don't Tread on Me flag at those big gov'ment sum'bitches, simply because it was mentioned that standards and regulations are needed.

@pulsevape lives in a fantasy world. He thinks we have a choice in the matter, and while humorous to read, is not based in reality. This industry is literally the wild west, with every Tom, Dick, and Harry jumping on the vape bandwagon hoping to cash in. High powered devices that have the potential to blow someone's face off are not meant to be built by some derptard who took 7th grade shop class and distributed to the general public without some sort of standards and accountability in place. In the vape industry, we call them "mod builders". A product that is inhaled into the lungs are not meant to be made by backwoods neckbeards in dirty basements without some sort of standards and accountability in place. In the vape industry, we call them "juice makers".

There are small companies out there doing it right, but they are the exception rather than the rule. There is zero barrier to entry in the vape game, and that's a problem. It's a problem for everyone, consumers and vendors alike. Standards and regulations will fix that. The illegitimate vendors will simply go away with a pay to play system...vendors like Dr. Crimmy's who are soley interested in profit, who have no real business plan or long term potential. Will those regulations also destroy some of the good mom and pop vendors? Unfortunately, yes. Does it have to potential for a Big Tobacco/Big Pharma takeover of the vape industry? Unfortunately, yes.

And that window of opportunity, albeit very small, is where the biggest problem in vaping lies: the lack of effective advocacy. CASAA, AVA, and their ilk simply don't have the power, knowledge, money, or plan to advocate on the behalf of small business. I've said from the very beginning that if today's vape vendors have any hope of survival, they need to band together and form their own association because the current players aren't getting the job done.
 

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Actually the idea of a self goverening people and the birth of the idea of the republic born in america and latter to spread into France and eventually all of europe. was started by zealots waving that flag.
Think about it..a small poor country inhabited by rustics with no real military..created an idea that cahnged the course of history and threw of the dominate pardigm that ruled europe for over a thousand years...pretty good for a bunch or zealot hillbillies.

....Yeah I think we have a choice in the matter...I'm an American, it is part of my culture and history to believe I have a choice in the matter of how I will choose to live....I don't find obdeince an inevitable condition of humanity...
So rather than every Tom Dick and Harry jumping on the band wagon we will have every corporation on the planet jumping on the bandwagon and we all know what a bang up job the corporations have done on protecting our health and well being...
It is an old song sold to the stupid...regulations are a canard.....Exxon finances a "enviromental group" the enviromental group get some baby seals go on the steps of congress and drench themselves with gasoline and light a match to bring attention to the hoorible air quailty around oil wells......the EPA demands a rube goldberg filter be installed to keep the air clean...the rube goldberg filter cost ten million dollars each....Exxon applaudes this move and goes out and installs the fube goldberg filter on all it's wells....after all Exoon has a ton of money and can easily afford to install them...meanwhile mom and pop oil company is running on a shoestring budget anddon't have the money to buy the rube goldberg filter, and the banks won't loan them the money........mom and pop oil company goes out of bussiness......Exxon is rid of another competitor and as a side bonus they are able to buy up mom an pop's equipment and all their oil leases for 10 cents on the dollar.....
In a free system diversity reigns.....monompolies can only exist in collusion with a corrupt and all powefull state....like we have.
 
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[QUOTE="V4P3R eMAG, post: 696999, member: 13491 CASAA, AVA, and their ilk simply don't have the power, knowledge, money, or plan to advocate on the behalf of small business. I've said from the very beginning that if today's vape vendors have any hope of survival, they need to band together and form their own association because the current players aren't getting the job done.[/QUOTE]

Or at the very least make less profit and donate a percentage or your sin tax free vape gear sales to advocacy.
I mean REAL money like 15% or more of all profits.
Just pretend like it IS a sin tax because if not it will be soon.
If just the bigger $200,000 a year and up players had been doing this since they got that big there would be plenty of money for advocacy, lawyers, lobbyists, etc...
 

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Actually the idea of a self goverening people and the birth of the idea of the republic born in america and latter to spread into France and eventually all of europe. was started by zealots waving that flag.
Think about it..a small poor country inhabited by rustics with no real military..created an idea that cahnged the course of history and threw of the dominate pardigm that ruled europe for over a thousand years...pretty good for a bunch or zealot hillbillies.

....Yeah I think we have a choice in the matter...I'm an American, it is part of my culture and history to believe I have a choice in the matter of how I will choose to live....I don't find obdeince an inevitable condition of humanity...
So rather than every Tom Dick and Harry jumping on the band wagon we will have every corporation on the planet jumping on the bandwagon and we all know what a bang up job the corporations have done on protecting our health and well being...
It is an old song sold to the stupid...regulations are a canard.....Exxon finances a "enviromental group" the enviromental group get some baby seals go on the steps of congress and drench themselves with gasoline and light a match to bring attention to the hoorible air quailty around oil wells......the EPA demands a rube goldberg filter be installed to keep the air clean...the rube goldberg filter cost ten million dollars each....Exxon applaudes this move and goes out and installs the fube goldberg filter on all it's wells....after all Exoon has a ton of money and can easily afford to install them...meanwhile mom and pop oil company is running on a shoestring budget anddon't have the money to buy the rube goldberg filter, and the banks won't loan them the money........mom and pop oil company goes out of bussiness......Exxon is rid of another competitor and as a side bonus they are able to buy up mom an pop's equipment and all their oil leases for 10 cents on the dollar.....
In a free system diversity reigns.....monompolies can only exist in collusion with a corrupt and all powefull state....like we have.

We don't have a thousand years to "quit or die" while this fantasy land becomes reality.
 

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at the end of the day ...I couldn't give a shit.....I will break whatever laws they put in place.......just as other people use the other vegetable like susbstance regardless of the laws......
 

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I can't wait until we can finally get rid of all these government inspectors and their useless bullshit...we're well on our way, but sadly there are still hundreds of people out there inspecting, for example, samples of beef to make sure it's safe.

To hell with "inspectorized" food, I say! Let the meat producers put out whatever they want, like the free market says they should!

If their product turns out to be dog or horse meat, people will catch on eventually, as long as they're honest about labeling the source ranch (which of course should also be totally voluntary). If their product kills a few people, word will get around and others will start investigating where the deadly beef came from. They should have it figured out by the time the death toll hits a few hundred, and then the people who care enough can start a smear campaign - consumers who catch word of it will be safe, the ones who don't are just too dumb to live in a world with truly free markets.

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@pulsevape I get what you're saying, man. I really do. I'm about as anti-big government as they come, but I'm also a realist. The system we have is unfair to small business and favors major corporations. It's a pay to play system and it sucks. But we can't undo what has been done overnight. We can't go back in time and change it, either. This is the hand we've been dealt, and we have to play our cards based on these rules. Shitty as they are.
 

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Let's not get too far off the beaten path here, kids. This all started because some zealot started waving their Don't Tread on Me flag at those big gov'ment sum'bitches, simply because it was mentioned that standards and regulations are needed.

@pulsevape lives in a fantasy world. He thinks we have a choice in the matter, and while humorous to read, is not based in reality. This industry is literally the wild west, with every Tom, Dick, and Harry jumping on the vape bandwagon hoping to cash in. High powered devices that have the potential to blow someone's face off are not meant to be built by some derptard who took 7th grade shop class and distributed to the general public without some sort of standards and accountability in place. In the vape industry, we call them "mod builders". A product that is inhaled into the lungs are not meant to be made by backwoods neckbeards in dirty basements without some sort of standards and accountability in place. In the vape industry, we call them "juice makers".

There are small companies out there doing it right, but they are the exception rather than the rule. There is zero barrier to entry in the vape game, and that's a problem. It's a problem for everyone, consumers and vendors alike. Standards and regulations will fix that. The illegitimate vendors will simply go away with a pay to play system...vendors like Dr. Crimmy's who are soley interested in profit, who have no real business plan or long term potential. Will those regulations also destroy some of the good mom and pop vendors? Unfortunately, yes. Does it have to potential for a Big Tobacco/Big Pharma takeover of the vape industry? Unfortunately, yes.

And that window of opportunity, albeit very small, is where the biggest problem in vaping lies: the lack of effective advocacy. CASAA, AVA, and their ilk simply don't have the power, knowledge, money, or plan to advocate on the behalf of small business. I've said from the very beginning that if today's vape vendors have any hope of survival, they need to band together and form their own association because the current players aren't getting the job done.


You are right on the advocacy front but it's such a new market this is only to be expected. We will need to get our shit together in quick order. Being on the right side of the argument doesn't necessarily mean you are going to win. Power and vested interest will prevail over the moral argument every time.....Look at the American Indian! The NSRA seem to do a pretty good job of avoiding regulation. Vapers with guns, now there's a thought. Unfortunately an option not available to us European vapers!
 

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You are right on the advocacy front but it's such a new market this is only to be expected. We will need to get our shit together in quick order.
I dunno man. I'm afraid it's too late for that because there are already far too many wheels in motion. Vape advocacy needed to get their shit together 2 years ago.

We've been fighting the war on the wrong fronts, in my opinion. You aren't going to sway politicians with the health angle, surveys, and scientific data. That should've been evident from the beginning. We KNOW that cigarettes kill people, but Big Tobacco foots the re-election bills, so they've been allowed to operate. Ditto Big Pharma. We need to get vaping in front of the public and bust out of our subculture shell. Vaping needs to go mainstream. Once the general public is on our side, it's an easy win. Votes matter, not surveys. Vape advocacy groups don't seem to get it.
 

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I think th British National Health Care system acceptance of vaping has let the genny out of the bottle.
 

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your point is true. no one person has the time to do it all any more.. life is just too BIG. But there is the problem the government,life,business,etc has gotten too big and there's no accountability. Like others have pointed out. health inspectors sometimes never come or show up once a year or on a schedule. Does that help? well it gives some a peace of mind. it keeps some people in line. but plenty of people get food poisoning every day form poor health practices in restaurants. is the number negligible? some may think so while others disagree But i feel there has to be a better way, and I do not feel the better way comes from a bigger government. UNLESS its multiple bigger governments. I feel the size and power of over governments FED,State,local are backwards

i would favor stripping power and expanse of the federal government and making local governments more powerful and better funded. WHY

well you normally know more people involved in the election and running of your local area you live in versus the fed or even state. its easier to dethrone a local incumbent vs a state or federal one, and its easier to move to a different town then a different state or country. SO while i am not a fan of big government for various reasons. if I had to have a big government and I can choose, I would choose a powerful LOCAL government with a small weaker federal government
I can agree with you 100%
 

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I can agree with you 100%
You are one of the few people who have heard my stance on the size of the different gov'ts we have in this country, understood it and agreed. I wish their were more
 

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Yeah a political movment started by a fucking electrican with a stupid flag and a bunch of uneducated rabble........yeah that will never work...
 

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You are one of the few people who have heard my stance on the size of the different gov'ts we have in this country, understood it and agreed. I wish their were more
It's the way our governance system was designed to be. Powerful STATE government, with a weaker FEDERAL government.

We have the opposite and it doesn't work. We were warned by the founding fathers that this would happen. I guess history repeats itself, yet again.
 

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It's the way our governance system was designed to be. Powerful STATE government, with a weaker FEDERAL government.

We have the opposite and it doesn't work. We were warned by the founding fathers that this would happen. I guess history repeats itself, yet again.
precisely but i feel the power STATE government is too much and would like to go even further then the founding fathers.

I want City and County Governements to hold most of the power. Now granted not all counties or cities could afford to do the things the fed does now- and they would only need to do those things IF THE PEOPLE OF THAT COUNTY/CITY WANTED IT DONE. Like say health inspectors. That is when the counties/cities could turn to either the Private sector or the state to fill those needs but regain control of it. SO lets say health inspectors.

if a small county cant afford health inspectors but the people want their restaurants inspected. The county could lay down the rules, state health inspectors could come in to do the job, but they would only enforce COUNTY/CITY laws not state

Unfortunately something happened in this country many years ago that changed it form a collection of STATES working together into one country subservient to the majority or the richest
 

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I dunno man. I'm afraid it's too late for that because there are already far too many wheels in motion. Vape advocacy needed to get their shit together 2 years ago.

We've been fighting the war on the wrong fronts, in my opinion. You aren't going to sway politicians with the health angle, surveys, and scientific data. That should've been evident from the beginning. We KNOW that cigarettes kill people, but Big Tobacco foots the re-election bills, so they've been allowed to operate. Ditto Big Pharma. We need to get vaping in front of the public and bust out of our subculture shell. Vaping needs to go mainstream. Once the general public is on our side, it's an easy win. Votes matter, not surveys. Vape advocacy groups don't seem to get it.

Vaping technology has the potential to save 6 million lives a year. When you think, it's estimated that antibiotics have saved 90 odd, million lives since their widespread use in the 1940's that's an amazing statistic. It has the potential to have the biggest impact on human health in history. It is nothing short of criminal that the media haven't ran with this story but portray it as nothing more than some hipster fashion choice. Shit, if "Charlie bit my finger" can go viral world wide, why can't this fact!
 

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precisely but i feel the power STATE government is too much and would like to go even further then the founding fathers.


if a small county cant afford health inspectors but the people want their restaurants inspected. The county could lay down the rules, state health inspectors could come in to do the job, but they would only enforce COUNTY/CITY laws not state

Here is the problem with that school of thought.
Your asking the state to shoulder the bill for your county inspector, but think you should set the rules. WHY would the state pay for your inspector then?

Your game, your rules, your bill.

The state should have the majority of power. Counties/cities should not get to pick what laws they want to enforce or subvert.

The whole idea was, if you didn't like the laws of a state, you could pick up and move to one you agreed with. Leaving the power to counties lets the "good ol boys club" run worse then with big government.
 

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The whole idea was, if you didn't like the laws of a state, you could pick up and move to one you agreed with. Leaving the power to counties lets the "good ol boys club" run worse then with big government.
Coming from a rural county with several small towns, the good ol boys club is alive and well here. The bright side is, it's being rooted out. Had some corruption at the sheriff's office for a long time, and it's finally gone now.
 

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Here is the problem with that school of thought.
Your asking the state to shoulder the bill for your county inspector, but think you should set the rules. WHY would the state pay for your inspector then?

Your game, your rules, your bill.

The state should have the majority of power. Counties/cities should not get to pick what laws they want to enforce or subvert.

The whole idea was, if you didn't like the laws of a state, you could pick up and move to one you agreed with. Leaving the power to counties lets the "good ol boys club" run worse then with big government.
excellent point. I need to think more on this. Thank you

my thought is this.

Ill use my state as an example MD
In western MD 3 hours from the capital Annapolis we had an issue with black bears. We had to wait several years for the STATE to finally agree to a bear season. Now this bear issue only effect 2 or 3 counties so why should those 2 or 3 counties have to wait and plead with the other 7 or more counties who have no clue or concern with the bears to let them take care of the issue.

SO while my health inspector example was a horrible one. There are issues I see popping up with not letting the county/city governments have more control over themselves. Which is why I feel that the County/City Governments need the most power not the state. Once again going back to everything is just too big now. BUT if we would go back to the founding fathers they would probably have a solution to this as well which might be to make more states, however no state is willing to give up any of its land. I know several times the Delmarva peninsula area has made efforts to become a separate state.

But I am unclear what effect having more states in the union would do to the country as a whole.

I dont claim to have all or many answers, I just know I feel that a strong Federal Governement in a country this large is not the best solution and something else would probably work better. I agree with people accepting more personal responsibility. I agree with many but not all things many Constitutionalists, conservatives and libertarians state.

So I am always open to a rationale discussion on the subjects of how to do things better then we are now.
 

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Anyone who's saying positive things about this lab or negative things about the posters is obviously working for Dr. Crimmy.

Being in the construction and architectural business for 25 years, I've analyzed the photographs compared to the revovated lab video that Dr. Crimmy put out, and the floor plan is exactly the same - the instance of this happening in two different buildings is a million in one.

Second, these photos show obvious mixing and bottling taking place, or else nothing would be set up in this fashion. Everything would be in storage boxes or piled up. There is clearly mixing being done, as there'd be no reason to set up all those tables and napkins and such just for storage or moving. You'd have to take it all down again to paint, tile, sanitize, and whatever, and yet no one would set all those tables up unless this particular environment would be used for significant income (I doubt Dr. Crimmy would set up this impomptu lab - if in fact it hadn't been used to make juice for months or years - for anything less than $500 worth of juice income.)

There's always the possibility that Dr. Crimmy was just making juice for himself at that time, but thankfully, someone also snapped a photograph of a clearly operational shipment table. Everything else can't even be argued. The drill? Maybe he was pleasuring his prostate with it. It's a drill. It doesn't make or break 14 photographs. It's there and folks can question it.
 

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Being in the construction and architectural business for 25 years, I've analyzed the photographs compared to the revovated lab video that Dr. Crimmy put out, and the floor plan is exactly the same - the instance of this happening in two different buildings is a million in one.

I've said that from the beginning. After they released the video tour of the basement, I was convinced there was no way that basement was the same building that was shown in the photos. Floorplan, window height, door placement...it's all wrong. Truth is, I didn't really press the issue because Crimmy's hung themselves anyway.
 
I think it's funny that the only reason these pics were relased was because some random troll challenge Matty ice. And not for the good of the community also he goes on to say he doesn't snitch but yet doesn't showing these pics = telling ? (Again only cause he was challenged)

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It wasn't some random troll challenging Matty Ice. It was the Doc's Kevin Lynch's #1 ball licker and head admin Zach Rosing. And I wouldn't consider Matty a snitch. If that was his motivation, he would have shown the pic's and started all of this as soon as Tony Hart gave him the pics. It all came about because Zach Rosing was calling Matty a liar during a discussion about the conditions of the lab. Matty told Zach he had proof, and it would be in his best interest ti STFU and move on. But Zach, being the moron he is, wouldn't let it go, and continued to challenge Matty. So Matty dropped the bomb on their dumb asses. Even after Zach caused all the shit, Kevin Lynch still keeps him under his wing and let's him do as he pleases, instead of shit canning his dumb ass for being a jerk off. I spoke to Kevin Lynch about Zach and the other admins and how they treat people, and he did nothing but defend them all saying they were under a lot of pressure because of the Matty Ice and Mod Envy disaster. That tells me all I needed to know about Kevin Lynch and his operation. Not impressed to say the least.
 

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And here we see a new member posting on a thread that was last posted in, in October , interesting indeed
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It wasn't some random troll challenging Matty Ice. It was the Doc's Kevin Lynch's #1 ball licker and head admin Zach Rosing. And I wouldn't consider Matty a snitch. If that was his motivation, he would have shown the pic's and started all of this as soon as Tony Hart gave him the pics. It all came about because Zach Rosing was calling Matty a liar during a discussion about the conditions of the lab. Matty told Zach he had proof, and it would be in his best interest ti STFU and move on. But Zach, being the moron he is, wouldn't let it go, and continued to challenge Matty. So Matty dropped the bomb on their dumb asses. Even after Zach caused all the shit, Kevin Lynch still keeps him under his wing and let's him do as he pleases, instead of shit canning his dumb ass for being a jerk off. I spoke to Kevin Lynch about Zach and the other admins and how they treat people, and he did nothing but defend them all saying they were under a lot of pressure because of the Matty Ice and Mod Envy disaster. That tells me all I needed to know about Kevin Lynch and his operation. Not impressed to say the least.
 

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They have a dedicated fanboy network despite all that was exposed.
 

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