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I have been doing some troubleshooting since I have had this horrible taste when I blow out the vapor.
I did some tests with 100% PG, 100% VG and PG 50/50 VG with 3mg nicotine and 6mg nicotine.

I found out that I really dislike the nicotine taste, and I usually cough from it.
I see many vapors even Sub-ohm vape with 6-12mg nicotine.

I can't vape any higher than 3mg strength, since it will make me cough and I will taste the horrible taste.
I do store my nicotine good. I store it in glass bottles in a smell proof bag, and freeze it. I got my nicotine base from Pink-mule, and the Nicotine base should be good.

I don't even Sub-ohm and I make my coils 1.8 ohm. I for some reason just cannot vape 6mg or higher but I need it. 3mg strength is way to weak for me, since I normally smoke 20 cigarettes a day.

When vaping at 6mg strength, I get this weird taste so it makes my vaping experience bad, and I fall back to smoking.

I just wish to be able to increase my nicotine level without coughing and taste the horrible taste I get when blowing out.

I do make my own E-liquid, and have been following the "Unicorn milk clone"
I use a calculator and mix with a scale. I don't think the mix is wrong, since I did troubleshoot and everything passed fine, except the nicotine.

Is this something I have to get used to, or should i be able to vape 6-12mg strength with 1.8 ohm coil on the Subtank mini?

The horrible taste increases when I lung inhale, which I do sometimes. It's just frustrating to see people to be able to build Sub-ohm coils, and lung inhale without any problems with nic strength on 6-12mg.

I do also shake the nicotine base well before starting to mixing.
 

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I smoked a pack a day for 40 years, and I can only vape 3mg now. But I do subohm.

Even though Pink Mule is reputable their nicotine may not be the best. The only suggestion I have for you (which I think I said once before) is to try Chemnovatic, which is available in Europe (you'll have to Google where to get it).
 

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What nic are you using? It may just be the nic you're using and no % other than zero can help.

Tried vaperstek nic yet?
 

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What nic are you using? It may just be the nic you're using and no % other than zero can help.

Tried vaperstek nic yet?
The OP is in Europe I seem to remember! Vaperstek uses Chemnovatic nic :)
 

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There you go... go find some chemnovatic and enjoy better tasting mixes :D
 

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Though I'm not familiar with Pink-mule, I do know from experience that Vaperstek nicotine is practically flavorless in a mix. Based on the assumption that your nic is comparable, there's every possibility that you're a "super taster" with very sensitive taste buds or sensitive lungs.
How long have you been vaping, and do you vape exclusively without smoking?
 

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I smoked a pack a day for 40 years, and I can only vape 3mg now. But I do subohm.

Even though Pink Mule is reputable their nicotine may not be the best. The only suggestion I have for you (which I think I said once before) is to try Chemnovatic, which is available in Europe (you'll have to Google where to get it).
I don't think they offer any high nicotine (72mg/ml) and since shipping costs a bit, I doubt I want to order only the 36mg option. They do offer a pure nicotine bottle, but that is illegal for me to buy.

Pink-Mule should be good, and according to they EU site on Reddit, it's highly recommended with Piratevape and others, but they didn't ship to my country.
Did you start with 3mg strength after you quit smoking? I can vape 3mg but I don't get the throat hit I want. actually no throat hit, buy I have been using 70% VG. I could easily increase the PG, but I still think that 3mg is way to low. and 6mg just tastes awful.
 

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What nic are you using? It may just be the nic you're using and no % other than zero can help.

Tried vaperstek nic yet?
Right now I'm using Nicotine from "Pink-Mule" and it's a 72mg/ml PG 50/50 VG.
Tomorrow I have a package waiting for me that is the same nicotine only in 100% PG so when I shake it, it will mix easier.
 

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Though I'm not familiar with Pink-mule, I do know from experience that Vaperstek nicotine is practically flavorless in a mix. Based on the assumption that your nic is comparable, there's every possibility that you're a "super taster" with very sensitive taste buds or sensitive lungs.
How long have you been vaping, and do you vape exclusively without smoking?
I still smoke like a monkey since I don't enjoy vaping. I can use 3mg strength and enjoy it, but then I would also need to smoke normal cigarettes.
I have been vaping for 3-4 months now, but I still do smoke. A package is waiting for me so I can pick up tomorrow. It's a nicotine base from Pink-mule again, but this time in 100% PG. I doubt that it should be a problem with Pink-mule's nicotine base, since it is highly recommenced. But if it doesn't work this time, I will order a new nicotine base.
 

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I don't think they offer any high nicotine (72mg/ml) and since shipping costs a bit, I doubt I want to order only the 36mg option. They do offer a pure nicotine bottle, but that is illegal for me to buy.

Pink-Mule should be good, and according to they EU site on Reddit, it's highly recommended with Piratevape and others, but they didn't ship to my country.
Did you start with 3mg strength after you quit smoking? I can vape 3mg but I don't get the throat hit I want. actually no throat hit, buy I have been using 70% VG. I could easily increase the PG, but I still think that 3mg is way to low. and 6mg just tastes awful.
No, I started at 18mg in teeny cartos on a cigalike, then moved within a week to 12, then in a month or so went to 6.

It's really worth trying the Chemnovatic, even though I see as you say you can only get it in 36mg/ml - it's at least better than smoking (and still cheaper). You probably found it here: http://moliquids.com/chemnovatic-m-3.html
 

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The OP is in Europe I seem to remember! Vaperstek uses Chemnovatic nic :)
Thanks, but is there any one else than "Vaperstek" that uses their nicotine? I only see a strength for 100mg, and that is illegal to buy for me. The highest I can go, is 72mg.
 

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Thanks, but is there any one else than "Vaperstek" that uses their nicotine? I only see a strength for 100mg, and that is illegal to buy for me. The highest I can go, is 72mg.
No, in this country only Vaperstek imports it.
 

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No, I started at 18mg in teeny cartos on a cigalike, then moved within a week to 12, then in a month or so went to 6.

It's really worth trying the Chemnovatic, even though I see as you say you can only get it in 36mg/ml - it's at least better than smoking (and still cheaper). You probably found it here: http://moliquids.com/chemnovatic-m-3.html
No, I can go up to 72mg/ml, but I only saw 100mg and 36mg in the vendors you mentioned. Is there any vendor that perhaps sells it in 72mg/ml?
 

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No, I can go up to 72mg/ml, but I only saw 100mg and 36mg in the vendors you mentioned. Is there any vendor that perhaps sells it in 72mg/ml?
contact Chemnovatic directly and ask them! As I say, it's worth getting the 36mg/ml from the link I gave you to try it!
 

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If you're still smoking that many cigarettes as well as vaping with harsh nicotine, I'm sure your lungs and throat are quite irritated, although I do understand your dilemma. There's no way 3mg would have helped me quit successfully either. If there's any way you can come across Vaperstek nic or even NicSelect (which in my opinion and experience is just as clean), I think you'd notice a remarkable difference in taste.
 

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If you're still smoking that many cigarettes as well as vaping with harsh nicotine, I'm sure your lungs and throat are quite irritated, although I do understand your dilemma. There's no way 3mg would have helped me quit successfully either. If there's any way you can come across Vaperstek nic or even NicSelect (which in my opinion and experience is just as clean), I think you'd notice a remarkable difference in taste.
What is "Vaperstek and NicSelect? I was about to buy nicotine from "chemnovatic"
I get a bit to confused by all this nicotine bases : /

i don't vape high nicotine while I'm smoking, since I don't enjoy 6mg or higher. I vape with 3mg and i smoke. I don't want to get rid of the vape, since I'm afraid I will start coughing if I stop and start again.
 

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Pink Mule also carries Inawera nic bases. That is made by Chemnovatic.
So basically I have nicotine from "Chemnovatic"? and don't need to order that from another vendor?
 

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Vaperstek is Chemnovatic. I'm sorry, that should have been clarified. NicSelect is a nicotine made specifically for vaping. ECigExpress sells it here, as well as Nicotine River. There are other vendors who sell it as well, I'll check on that.
 

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Vaperstek is Chemnovatic. I'm sorry, that should have been clarified. NicSelect is a nicotine made specifically for vaping. ECigExpress sells it here, as well as Nicotine River. There are other vendors who sell it as well, I'll check on that.
So "Vaperstek" is just a vendor as "Chemnovatic" is the company that makes the nicotine?
 

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If you ordered the Inawera base. Such as Biobase, Ecobase, PowerSmoke bases. @Kiicki
ooh, I didn't do that. I just ordered "Black Label" and "Green Label"
So if I order the "Inawera Nicotinebase" in PG and 36mg/ml, it's the nicotine from "Chemnovatic"?
If it is, I could just order from Pink-mule since I have some experience with them, and they ship fast to me.
 

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Yes, but be sure you research which base to get! I don't know the difference between 'smoke base' 'power base' etc. You want whatever is plain nic in either pg or vg with nothing else added.
ooh, the one I linked has some water added?

Can I order this one?
http://moliquids.com/nicbase-pg-36-mgml-100ml-p-858.html

Or
http://www.molinshop.com/product_info.php?products_id=858{1}2

Vaperstek only offer 100mg/ml which I cannot buy. and on "chemnovatic" own page, I don't think they sell from there? Not sure.
If there only were a vendor that sells this in 72mg/ml, but if there isn't, I will just order from one of the two links I posted.
 

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ooh, the one I linked has some water added?

Can I order this one?
http://moliquids.com/nicbase-pg-36-mgml-100ml-p-858.html

Or
http://www.molinshop.com/product_info.php?products_id=858{1}2

Vaperstek only offer 100mg/ml which I cannot buy. and on "chemnovatic" own page, I don't think they sell from there? Not sure.
If there only were a vendor that sells this in 72mg/ml, but if there isn't, I will just order from one of the two links I posted.
The first one looks fine. I can't tell if the second link is Chemnovatic.

No, you can't order from Vaperstek - I don't think they ship overseas. What I was suggesting was that you email Chemnovatic directly, or ask Molinberry how to get 72mg/ml if that's what you want. But first try it out and see if you like it.
 

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The first one looks fine. I can't tell if the second link is Chemnovatic.

No, you can't order from Vaperstek - I don't think they ship overseas. What I was suggesting was that you email Chemnovatic directly, or ask Molinberry how to get 72mg/ml if that's what you want. But first try it out and see if you like it.
The second link says "Manufacturer Info: Chemnovatic" on the right side of the picture.

Now i'm confused with Molinberry. what is that? Another vendor? I only found this two vendors from the link that sells nicotine from "Chemnovatic"
 

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Kiicki:

Referring to your taste issue here, not the nic purchasing.

--What wire and wick are you using?
--What attys are you rebuilding?

Seems like you've been troubleshooting a while, so maybe you'd be willing to try this. All in one go:

--First off, cut your overall PG. Adds throat hit.

--Second, make a small batch of unflavored and try that. 70/30. The extra VG should help mask any nic taste because of the sweetness. (BTW, I've never noticed a nicotine flavor, in anything. Don't know what's going on with yours.) You will NOT like the "taste" of unflavored, but you're doing this to remove the juice flavorings as a possible source of your problem.

--Third. You say you're making your own attys, but at 1.8. Drop that to around 1.0. Start vaping at a decently low wattage and work your way up. Note what wattages are too low, just about right and too high. Don't chain vape for this test; make sure to give your attys time to rejuice between hits.

--Forth. Everything should be crystal effing clean before you start. Tank, coil, attys, threads.

You want lower nic mg/ml, but you need the nicotine to cut smoking. So you're dropping the ohms because you have to coax as much nic out of the weaker juice as possible. I swear to you I've noticed a boost in head rush in the morning when I dropped to around .3 from .6. That's in an RDA, where I use 3mg. BUT... in my Subtank mini, I have to use 6mg. In my w.'s tiny Protank Minis, we have to use 12mg. I've done 1 ohm to 2 ohm coils in those Protanks, and there's definitely an efficiency factor.

Congrats if you read all that. I probably wouldn't have.
 

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The second link says "Manufacturer Info: Chemnovatic" on the right side of the picture.

Now i'm confused with Molinberry. what is that? Another vendor? I only found this two vendors from the link that sells nicotine from "Chemnovatic"
Yes, all these places are just vendors. Chemnovatic is the manufacturer. Generally you always buy through the vendor.
 

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Kiicki:

Referring to your taste issue here, not the nic purchasing.

--What wire and wick are you using?
--What attys are you rebuilding?

Seems like you've been troubleshooting a while, so maybe you'd be willing to try this. All in one go:

--First off, cut your overall PG. Adds throat hit.

--Second, make a small batch of unflavored and try that. 70/30. The extra VG should help mask any nic taste because of the sweetness. (BTW, I've never noticed a nicotine flavor, in anything. Don't know what's going on with yours.) You will NOT like the "taste" of unflavored, but you're doing this to remove the juice flavorings as a possible source of your problem.

--Third. You say you're making your own attys, but at 1.8. Drop that to around 1.0. Start vaping at a decently low wattage and work your way up. Note what wattages are too low, just about right and too high. Don't chain vape for this test; make sure to give your attys time to rejuice between hits.

--Forth. Everything should be crystal effing clean before you start. Tank, coil, attys, threads.

You want lower nic mg/ml, but you need the nicotine to cut smoking. So you're dropping the ohms because you have to coax as much nic out of the weaker juice as possible. I swear to you I've noticed a boost in head rush in the morning when I dropped to around .3 from .6. That's in an RDA, where I use 3mg. BUT... in my Subtank mini, I have to use 6mg. In my w.'s tiny Protank Minis, we have to use 12mg. I've done 1 ohm to 2 ohm coils in those Protanks, and there's definitely an efficiency factor.

Congrats if you read all that. I probably wouldn't have.
I use a Subtank mini. The wire I use is Kanthal A1, 28 Gauge.
I bought it on E-bay. apparently I can't send links.

I did troubleshoot my PG and my VG. I had no problem with them. they didn't have that weird taste. I can guarantee you that it's the nicotine that cause the problem. When I use low ohm's, I always cough even when using 3mg nicotine. I also like my vape more strict, so I'm not sure if I want my ohm's to 1.0 or lower.

This week, I will get a new tank in the mail though.
I ordered the "Authentic Steam Crave Aromamizer RDTA Atomizer" with the Velocity deck. should give me an amazing vaping experience.
So for the build is: 28 gauge Kanthal. 8 Wraps. 3mm screwdriver. I use a single coil, and i place it horizontal. I use Koh gen do cotton. I fluff it good, and I don't use to much. I have the V2 of the RBA coil for the Subtank.
 
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Yes, all these places are just vendors. Chemnovatic is the manufacturer. Generally you always buy through the vendor.
I think Vapinground blocked my IP adress from posting here, so I have turned on my VPN. Could be that I posted a E-bay link for the Kanthal I was using.

But to the point.
It seems that "Molinberry" is the same as "molinshop"
Molinshop is the second link I sent to you, where you couldn't tell where the nicotine is from. So you would recommend to shop from the second link I posted?
 

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I think Vapinground blocked my IP adress from posting here. Could be that I posted a E-bay link for the Kanthal I was using.

But to the point.
It seems that "Molinberry" is the same as "molinshop"
Molinshop is the second link I sent to you, where you couldn't tell where the nicotine is from. So you would recommend to shop from the second link I posted?
If you were blocked you wouldn't be here LOL

Yes, it's the same company, and I've heard lots of good things about them. Go ahead and order!
 

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If you were blocked you wouldn't be here LOL

Yes, it's the same company, and I've heard lots of good things about them. Go ahead and order!
Thanks, ordering!
I think Vapinground only block my IP adress and not username. It says I was blocked when I tried to post. I tried 10 times and nothing, I turned my VPN (It changes your IP adress) and it works.
 

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Thanks, ordering!
I think Vapinground only block my IP adress and not username. It says I was blocked when I tried to post. I tried 10 times and nothing, I turned my VPN (It changes your IP adress) and it works.
Sounds like a glitch - you should probably report it!
 

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Sounds like a glitch - you should probably report it!
It works now, I disabled my VPN.
I ordered the nicotine, even though, it's a lot more expensive from what Pink-mule offers. I could get a 72mg/ml from Pink-mule for the same price as the 36mg/ml from Chemnovatic.

But if it works, it's worth it.

Thanks for your help, again!
 

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It works now, I disabled my VPN.
I ordered the nicotine, even though, it's a lot more expensive from what Pink-mule offers. I could get a 72mg/ml from Pink-mule for the same price as the 36mg/ml from Chemnovatic.

But if it works, it's worth it.

Thanks for your help, again!
Yes, we pay a lot here also, but to my taste it's worth it!
 

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If this was a knowledge test, you pass.

If this was a perseverance contest, you win.

Keep at it and good luck on the nic.
 

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If this was a knowledge test, you pass.

If this was a perseverance contest, you win.

Keep at it and good luck on the nic.
Thanks, I did order the nicotine made my "Chemnovatic"

Hope it works. If not, I guess I'm just to sensitive to the nicotine taste, and I can't stand it.
 

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I Vape 6 in subohm and umm lost 11 lbs lol
I dont know if it was the Nic? Or I lost my appetite or ran around aloft is summer lol but I don't cough or anything from it


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I Vape 6 in subohm and umm lost 11 lbs lol
I dont know if it was the Nic? Or I lost my appetite or ran around aloft is summer lol but I don't cough or anything from it


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I don't really have a big coughing problem. It just happens time to time with 6mg.
The biggest problem is that I notice a harsh taste. Especially when blowing out. At it ruins the whole vaping experience.

The people I have talked to, had no problem using Pink-mules nicotine, so either I don't do anything right, or I'm really sensitive to nicotine taste.
 

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Another thought, mix at 4mg or 4.5 or...

I mix at 4%. 3% doesn't quite do it for me, 6% turns me a light shade of green.

Of course, once you get your new nic... any % of yuky nic will be yuky.
 

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Another thought, mix at 4mg or 4.5 or...

I mix at 4%. 3% doesn't quite do it for me, 6% turns me a light shade of green.

Of course, once you get your new nic... any % of yuky nic will be yuky.
I just can't handle the horrible taste when using 6mg or higher.
And 3mg is simply to low, but then again, I get great flavor.
I don't know how I'm suppose to quit smoking with 3mg strength.
 

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I just can't handle the horrible taste when using 6mg or higher.
And 3mg is simply to low, but then again, I get great flavor.
I don't know how I'm suppose to quit smoking with 3mg strength.
I think you'll find it much better with the new nic!
 

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why do you feel your only option is 3 and 6mg nic strength?

you making your own juice
you can do 4,5,5.5 4.2,3.9 etc

maybe something in between would work?
 

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I think you'll find it much better with the new nic!
I'm actually live chatting with Pink-mule" and there are some confusions there. Apparently their description says their nicotine is from "CHEMNOVATIC"

but they are not sure at the moment? So it could be that I have used nicotine from "CHEMNOVATIC" all the time. he had to check with his boss because according to a link I found on their page, they say their nicotine is from "CHEMNOVATIC".
 

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When you get your new nic, mix a few batches of the same flavor. A 4%, 5% & 6%.

In general, less nic will have more flavor... even with the best nic that has zero taste. Nic does mute the taste a bit.

Find your nic % happy place, it may be say... 4.8%.

The only time you are stuck with 3% or 6% is if you are buying vendor juice. Since your mixing yourself you can put the nic level right where you want it.
 

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why do you feel your only option is 3 and 6mg nic strength?

you making your own juice
you can do 4,5,5.5 4.2,3.9 etc

maybe something in between would work?
Sure I can go with this numbers, but I feel like 6mg is the minimum I should go with. and anything higher would only increase the bad taste.
 

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