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Robert B

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About 7 weeks ago, the FAA banned all electronic vaping devices from check-in baggage. Who ever wrote those rules obviously is clueless about vaping. They think all vape devices are the cig-a-like type with non-removable batteries. They even list "atomizers"

What they don't realize, is the majority of vape devices don't have batteries unless you install them. Banning an atomizer? They also don't realize an atomizer is useless without a power device that has a battery in it. It's like banning a lightbulb.

Even if the FAA didn't mean to include a mod with no batteries, it's not written that way. The TSA (enforcement arm of the FAA) is even more clueless and could confiscate everything whether it has batteries installed or not.

Is the FAA banning all lithium powered Flashlights with no batteries installed from check-in baggage? No
I have two flashlights that each hold 4 18650 lithium batteries. Totally legal to check in according to the FAA.

That said, I recently flew with 2 tube mods, a Noisy Cricket, 2 dripper attys, a tank, two spools of wire, cotton, tools, 18650 charger, etc... When I got home, there was a note card inside my suitcase saying my luggage was checked by TSA. They didn't take anything. There were no batteries in my checked-in vape bag. I carried-on 3 sets of 18650's in plastic cases, an Innokin Distruptor with 2 spare batteries, and had no problems with TSA.

I wrote TSA an email asking to clarify. All I got back was a canned email regurgitating what the FAA rules are.

"Thank you for contacting the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) Contact Center in regards to traveling with electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) and vaping devices.

The Federal Aviation Administration prohibits e-cigarettes, vaping devices, and loose lithium batteries in checked baggage. E-cigarettes, vaporizers, vape pens, atomizers, and electronic nicotine delivery systems have a heating element that vaporizes liquid (that may or may not contain nicotine) and are battery-powered. These items are only allowed in carry-on bags.

When a carry-on bag is checked at the gate or planeside, all electronic cigarette and vaping devices, along with any spare lithium batteries, must be removed from the bag and kept with the passenger in the aircraft cabin. Passengers should check with their airline for any additional restrictions when traveling with or using e-cigarettes onboard commercial aircraft. TSA does not regulate the use of e-cigarettes in aircraft cabins.

The liquid content of e-cigarettes and refills are generally permitted through TSA security checkpoints in carry-on bags if it complies with the 3-1-1 policy for liquids: containers must be 3.4 ounces or less and must fit in a quart-size, zip top, clear plastic bag; one bag per person, placed in the screening bin. For more information about TSA’s 3-1-1 policy, please visit https:\\www.tsa.gov\travel\security-screening\liquids-rule.

It is important to note that even if an item is generally permitted, Transportation Security Officers (TSOs) have the discretion to prohibit any item through the screening checkpoint or onboard an aircraft if they believe it poses a security threat. TSOs make the final decision on whether to permit certain items into the sterile areas of the airport.

We encourage passengers to familiarize themselves with TSA Travel Tips at http:\\www.tsa.gov\traveler-information\. The Web site has information about prohibited and permitted items, the screening process and procedures, and guidance for special considerations that may assist them in preparing for air travel. Passengers may also search the Web site’s database of prohibited and permitted items using the “Can I Bring…” feature on the homepage of www.tsa.gov.

We hope this information is helpful.

TSA Contact Center
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so what is allowed in your carry on luggage as far as vape gear goes......meanwhile a muslim woman with plenty of Facebook postings of her support for ISIS comes into the country and shoots up San Bernadino,but the federal goverment felt it violated her rights to look at fucking facebook page....but the citizens are having their vaping gear treated like they're biological weapons....the goverment is evil.
 

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so what is allowed in your carry on luggage as far as vape gear goes......meanwhile a muslim woman with plenty of Facebook postings of her support for ISIS comes into the country and shoots up San Bernadino,but the federal goverment felt it violated her rights to look at fucking facebook page....but the citizens are having their vaping gear treated like they're biological weapons....the goverment is evil.
Also meanwhile, 72 employees of Dept. of Homeland Security are on the "no fly list". Go figure. Political correctness is going to kill all of us.

As far as vape gear goes, the clarification will have to come from the FAA. TSA are a bunch of brainless robots. Is an empty mod with no batteries and no atty considered a vape device? Is an Atty with no mod considered a vape device? At least part of one I guess. I'm sure the on going iStick50 fiasco with non-removable batteries isn't helping much.

My guess is the FAA doesn't know the difference between a Vuse, Blu, or a Sigelei 100, or decided to lump them all together for sake of argument. Who knows.

All they really had to say is "Absolutely No Batteries in check-in luggage period". That would have at least made it clear.
 

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Also meanwhile, 72 employees of Dept. of Homeland Security are on the "no fly list". Go figure. Political correctness is going to kill all of us.

As far as vape gear goes, the clarification will have to come from the FAA. TSA are a bunch of brainless robots. Is an empty mod with no batteries and no atty considered a vape device? Is an Atty with no mod considered a vape device? At least part of one I guess. I'm sure the on going iStick50 fiasco with non-removable batteries isn't helping much.

My guess is the FAA doesn't know the difference between a Vuse, Blu, or a Sigelei 100, or decided to lump them all together for sake of argument. Who knows.

All they really had to say is "Absolutely No Batteries in check-in luggage period". That would have at least made it clear.
our airports are full of people standing in massive lines in their socks and underwear, and the goverment say live with it...this is the best we can do.
 

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While I understand the point youre trying to make, why not just put your gear in your carryon? Its much safer there and less likely to be confiscated or stolen.
 

Robert B

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While I understand the point youre trying to make, why not just put your gear in your carryon? Its much safer there and less likely to be confiscated or stolen.

I carry a lot of gear when traveling overseas for 3 weeks to a month at a time, and "carry-on" way more batteries than probably allowed. But I see your point to acquiesce.. Trying to contact them and get clarification, since 7 weeks ago sticking a couple of empty tube mods in my check-in luggage wasn't a crime, but suddenly it now is. In the 30 years of traveling, I've never once had anything stolen, so I don't worry about that.

All they have to say is "no batteries in check-in luggage period", and that would cover everything, including exploding iStick50's & hoverboards
 

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I carry a lot of gear when traveling overseas for 3 weeks to a month at a time, and "carry-on" way more batteries than probably allowed. But I see your point to acquiesce.. Trying to contact them and get clarification, since 7 weeks ago sticking a couple of empty tube mods in my check-in luggage wasn't a crime, but suddenly it now is. In the 30 years of traveling, I've never once had anything stolen, so I don't worry about that.

All they have to say is "no batteries in check-in luggage period", and that would cover everything, including exploding iStick50's & hoverboards
Or Camera, laptops, phones, tablets, electronics: They all contain lithium batteries. No problem having them in your carry on.
 

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Or Camera, laptops, phones, tablets, electronics: They all contain lithium batteries. No problem having them in your carry on.
No problem having those items in your checked baggage either, but put an empty mod with no batteries in your check in baggage and your now a criminal.
 

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This is why I simply do not fly anymore... A nice car ride is good for the soul :)

I wish that would work for me, but taking 3 days out of a 10 day vacation to drive sucks, and I can't take a boat to France from the US. well, I could, but...
 

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I flew out of Tampa Int. for the holidays. I had my Noisy Cricket (very suspicious looking, especially the way I had it, without an atty attached), my xCube, a half full Aromamizer & an Indestructible, 8 18650s in two plastic cases, and two bottles of juice. All in my carry on.

Not a peep. Didn't even ask me about it after it went through the metal detectors. My girl had hers on her too, though hers is pink and very clearly a consumer product.


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Robert B

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I flew out of Tampa Int. for the holidays. I had my Noisy Cricket (very suspicious looking, especially the way I had it, without an atty attached), my xCube, a half full Aromamizer & an Indestructible, 8 18650s in two plastic cases, and two bottles of juice. All in my carry on.

Not a peep. Didn't even ask me about it after it went through the metal detectors. My girl had hers on her too, though hers is pink and very clearly a consumer product.

There is no problem with "Carry-on". The new regulations are about "check-in" baggage.
 

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Ahh, I see that now. Though still, one would expect that they would want to take a look at the shiny metal tube and the little metal devices with screws and wire that were in my carry on...


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The airlines have their own rules. No US carrier I know of has allowed LiOn batteries in checked luggage for some time now. It isn't hard to fly with vape gear, just read and abide by the rules...
 

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Fuck it ...if anybody gives you any shit just ell them it's a clock....you made as a science project.....
Hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!
Then you get secret service protection and an invite to dinner at the white house.
 
so what is allowed in your carry on luggage as far as vape gear goes......meanwhile a muslim woman with plenty of Facebook postings of her support for ISIS comes into the country and shoots up San Bernadino,but the federal goverment felt it violated her rights to look at fucking facebook page....but the citizens are having their vaping gear treated like they're biological weapons....the goverment is evil.
Honestly, as stupid as it sounds, I think they made this rule to scare underage kids and keep them from bringing their setups with them. Think about it, they can't hide them in their checked luggage. Just a thought...
 

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Honestly, as stupid as it sounds, I think they made this rule to scare underage kids and keep them from bringing their setups with them. Think about it, they can't hide them in their checked luggage. Just a thought...
nah ...the goverment takes evey oppurtunity to harrass and abuse the population..the goverment is trying to normalize the police state, they are trying to train Americans into obeying authority..to not question authority's command to stop thinking to become cattle.so every one of our actions is regulated, by the state, we are taxed and regulated and herded and attacked...we are being domesticated.It's just a beat down...how do you explain the logic of forcing the citizens to run around in their socks and go through body scans and spread their check just to fly to Denver for grandma's birthday...meanwhile they tell the border patrol to stop enforcing the law and we have 30 million illegal aliens crossing the border totally unchecked....no body scan,no checking their shoes,no pat downs....nada.
 

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I agree with the check in rule, I agree they are missing a lot of other products that could cause a fire too but at least if an uninformed person threw a few 18650's in their manicure kit and they shorted... then ignited... if it's in the cabin it can be dealt with.
Checked in bag in a pile of bags that could add fuel to the fire and make things a whole lot worse than some burned carpet in the isle... and an embarrassed vaper that just learned a little about battery safety.

My wife just got back from Florida last week and checked in her gear without any issues.
 
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I agree with the check in rule, I agree they are missing a lot of other products that could cause a fire too but at least if an idiot threw a few 18650's in their manicure kit and they shorted... then ignited... if it's in the cabin it can be dealt with.
Checked in bag in a pile of bags that could add fuel to the fire and make things a whole lot worse than some burned carpet in the isle... and an embarrassed vaper that just learned a little about battery safety.

My wife just got back from Florida last week and checked in her gear without any issues.
Yeah, I learned my lesson when I was new to the whole sub ohm vaping thing. I would just throw 18650's in my bag without a worry. Until one day they exploded in my bag on a public transportation bus. Now I keep them in my mod or in a plastic carrying case.
 

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I think a big reason we don't hear about lithium camera batteries or cell phone batteries lighting up in planes is because when you get a spare battery for your camera, it comes with a case. It comes with warnings, people that are into cameras are generally techies. People that buy vape gear are people that want to quit smoking and may or may not have any inclination to find out about the tech or safety side of things.
People buy a vape battery online and it comes in a cardboard disposable box, little to no safety warnings. Buy a mech mod from china and zero warnings.

People like @Jayclmnt got a mod with little to no instructions on use and safety. Buy a new camera and there is a 100 page book on use and safety.
A buddy of mine got a mod and didn't think anything of putting his spares in his car ashtray full of change and found himself tossing a couple 18350's out his car door while driving.
And Jay, I should rephrase that to uninformed people, not idiots. As you came in to post with a story that related to my comment, I obviously don't know you and you do not seem like an idiot so I recant that statement... my apologies :facepalm:
 

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I think I'll just wear the patch next time I need to fly away for a few days. However, this is getting out of control. My state car inspection this morning was on camera, to prevent fraud. Then I went to the vape shop to get a bottle of e liquid. PayPal cut off the point of sale system they had through them, with no notice, sending them a policy that they are no longer doing vaping transactions. Not sure how widespread. Fortunately, the shop had a new system up and running in 3 days time.

I know this isn't the place for politics, but pulsevape is right imho. It's not just vaping.
 
I think a big reason we don't hear about lithium camera batteries or cell phone batteries lighting up in planes is because when you get a spare battery for your camera, it comes with a case. It comes with warnings, people that are into cameras are generally techies. People that buy vape gear are people that want to quit smoking and may or may not have any inclination to find out about the tech or safety side of things.
People buy a vape battery online and it comes in a cardboard disposable box, little to no safety warnings. Buy a mech mod from china and zero warnings.

People like @Jayclmnt got a mod with little to no instructions on use and safety. Buy a new camera and there is a 100 page book on use and safety.
A buddy of mine got a mod and didn't think anything of putting his spares in his car ashtray full of change and found himself tossing a couple 18350's out his car door while driving.
And Jay, I should rephrase that to uninformed people, not idiots. As you came in to post with a story that related to my comment, I obviously don't know you and you do not seem like an idiot so I recant that statement... my apologies :facepalm:
It's all good. I understand what you ment lmao.
 

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Well that's just stupid.
I guess you can fedex a setup to your hotel and grab it when you check in... along with other vapable stuff you might not want to fly with. But that's taking it a little too far.
 
Well that's just stupid.
I guess you can fedex a setup to your hotel and grab it when you check in... along with other vapable stuff you might not want to fly with. But that's taking it a little too far.
Or put it in your butt?
 

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Lol, I'll drop the $20 for next day fedex that arrives before I do. That and I don't think the flight would be very pleasant with a rx200 stashed :eek:
 

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One can't help but wonder who's behind all this. I totally agree with "no lithium ion" batteries in "checked baggage", but banning vape products in general in carry-on? They would have to ban cameras, cell phones, laptops, tablets, etc... If they use "lithium ion" as the excuse to ban vape products. Every single flight has hundreds of lithium ion powered devices on board, including being used by the flight crew
 

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Who is behind this? Looks like 5 senators, especially Blumenthal (CT, Dem) who has proposed all sorts of vaping bans (e.g. flavors) over several years, and is supposedly even trying to override the FDA for thinking regulations out rather than acting swiftly. The argument is more or less the Joe Camel idea, save the kids..... and to require proof that vaping is safer than analogs in a way that could never be met, by any product. How could you prove that I can't electrocute myself with a hair dryer, and that it's safer to use a towel or nothing?

There are a few others, like Harkin and Markey.

Now, Markey has been trying to get regulations on--- roller coasters--- for several years, some online articles dating to circa 2001. Why not ban fun, altogether?

Blumenthal, age 70, has an impressive background (Harvard, Magna Cum Laude), and...... several less favorable items in his history, all visible on a quick wiki search.

* Side note- what about lipo battery mods, or even entry level vape pens and cigalikes? What about higher end devices, like Juul?

Too much time on their hands.
 

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* Side note- what about lipo battery mods, or even entry level vape pens and cigalikes? What about higher end devices, like Juul?
What about them? Every modern cell-phone, tablet, and all "thin" laptops use lipo batteries. Only relatively old-school (i.e. big and clunky) laptops use batteries composed of multiple18650 cells.
 

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Even though they have banned all e-cig products from "check in baggage", I still packed a vape bag full of stuff including 500ml of juice into my checked baggage on my last trip to Europe in February. I put a tag on the vape bag handle that said, "this contains no batteries of any kind". Got home and there was a TSA card in my suitcase saying my bag had be searched for security reasons. They didn't confiscate anything.

Air France has rules about how many spare lithium ion batteries you can take on "carry-on". They say, one extra set for the device. So I packed an extra set in each of my kid's carry-on bags. With 300 people on board that plane, I'd bet there was 500 lithium batteries on that flight. Heck, just my family of four, we had 4 tablets, an iPod, two cell phones, & (9) 18650 batteries. I would venture to guess there were a lot more people with vape devices than just me.
 

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from congressional website:
" SA 3547. Mr. BLUMENTHAL submitted an amendment intended to
be proposed to amendment SA 3464 submitted by Mr. Thune (for
himself and Mr. Nelson) to the bill H.R. 636, supra; which
was ordered to lie on the table."
which means dead in the water.
 

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I think they would prefer we buy cigalikes, manufactured by a couple of big tobacco companies. Easy to tax, monitor, and regulate. And, the choices can be regular or menthol. Yummmm.

If Blumenthal is concerned about the kids, control the minimum age, and enforce it. But that might take employees, and some of them might even need health insurance, and to use it.

Tomorrow, here in RI, they are voting at the State House, to ban indoor public vaping, including at vape shops. Seems there's no end to this scrouge.
 

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from congressional website:
" SA 3547. Mr. BLUMENTHAL submitted an amendment intended to
be proposed to amendment SA 3464 submitted by Mr. Thune (for
himself and Mr. Nelson) to the bill H.R. 636, supra; which
was ordered to lie on the table."
which means dead in the water.

No wonder nothing gets done in the Government. The House and Senate move legislation around like chess pieces, and the SFATA report provides no links to the proposed amendments.

HR 636 is a small business tax relief bill where all these FAA amendments are being stuffed. S .2658 is the FAA re-authorization act of 2016 which is live. It's unclear to me whether or not an e-cig amendment is in this.

HR-636 was ordered to "lay on the table", which effectively killed any further debate in the Senate, giving small business any further tax relief under the proposal, which also killed all the FAA amendments that were attached to this?
 

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No wonder nothing gets done in the Government.

Since all I want is to live my life peacefully as I choose to live it, I view government getting nothing done as a positive thing. :)
There's a kernel of truth in that. :)
The inability of government to effectively govern is the net result of rampant partisanship, buoyed by all of them worrying about the next election cycle and getting their Super PAC funds for their campaigns. If you want to reform government, reform the policies that support the partisan and campaign finance status quo.
 

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No wonder nothing gets done in the Government. The House and Senate move legislation around like chess pieces, and the SFATA report provides no links to the proposed amendments.

HR 636 is a small business tax relief bill where all these FAA amendments are being stuffed. S .2658 is the FAA re-authorization act of 2016 which is live. It's unclear to me whether or not an e-cig amendment is in this.

HR-636 was ordered to "lay on the table", which effectively killed any further debate in the Senate, giving small business any further tax relief under the proposal, which also killed all the FAA amendments that were attached to this?
Just the amendment to the bill (636), not the bill itself. There were like 108 amendments proposed, most got tabled.

EDIT: Perused bill s.2658 with pdf and could not find any references to electronic, smoking, device or ecig, cigarette, cigar, pipe, etc. As it stands now, there are no amendments adding them either.
 
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There's a kernel of truth in that. :)
The inability of government to effectively govern is the net result of rampant partisanship, buoyed by all of them worrying about the next election cycle and getting their Super PAC funds for their campaigns. If you want to reform government, reform the policies that support the partisan and campaign finance status quo.

Exactly right. That and divide the populace into groups, pander to groups to purchase votes by promising giveaway programs, grants, etc... Hillary is setting the stage right now to forgive the trillion dollars in student loans. The thought of that possibility ought to purchase a lot of votes. And is isn't just her.
 

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