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I will explain one more time and then this is it..

Concerning TIME.. He is attacking my company as well as myself personally. He has never that I know of bought any of my nicotine. Yet he describes it as horrible and oxidized. Yes we did oxidize some of it and oxidation takes only a matter of days in the right manner.

Again, I have answered questions that have been brought to me with the time I have in my busy schedule. And I do not have time to continuously answer the same questions over and over. Especially from someone who has never bought my nicotine and only brings up another vendors nicotine.

I have enclosed A pic of nicotine which we oxidized and it went from clear to this color in less than 3 days. Does this make it horrible nicotine? I expect people who buy it to be the judge of that, and from what I can tell, most seem to like it. Is it upsetting some people or vendors that I don't mind selling nicotine at an inexpensive price? I don't know, I just know I want to supply the masses a great quality nicotine. When my nicotine first hit the market a liter of nicotine from just about anywhere was $100-$150 for 100mg. a liter. When I started selling at $125 A liter the bottom dropped out of the market when people started posting that the nicotine they had bought from others was being dumped down the drain. and now people can find nicotine for $45 a liter.

I bring a quality product to the market and the reviews speak for themselves.

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Hottvapz

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I am also a customer and @Huckleberried referred me. I bought that above product in 120ml bottle to test . I enjoyed it. It wasn't to harsh it had a little bite but I liked it. I vape 3mg per ml liquid so I was looking for a little more throat hit this hit the spot and I will be purchasing a liter in the near future. Thank you for a great product!

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I'm a customer as well, and I've used both your premium and throat hit nic. I've been very satisfied with both, as well as your service. Your product occupies a large section of my freezer and I will continue to order from you based on my experience, not the opinions of others. ;)
 

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I'm a big fan of the TH nick myself. Sure hope it comes back in stock, I just ran out the other day :eek:.

TBH, I would still buy even if it was more expensive.
 

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I will explain one more time and then this is it..

Concerning TIME.. He is attacking my company as well as myself personally. He has never that I know of bought any of my nicotine. Yet he describes it as horrible and oxidized. Yes we did oxidize some of it and oxidation takes only a matter of days in the right manner.

Again, I have answered questions that have been brought to me with the time I have in my busy schedule. And I do not have time to continuously answer the same questions over and over. Especially from someone who has never bought my nicotine and only brings up another vendors nicotine.

I have enclosed A pic of nicotine which we oxidized and it went from clear to this color in less than 3 days. Does this make it horrible nicotine? I expect people who buy it to be the judge of that, and from what I can tell, most seem to like it. Is it pissing some people or vendors off that I don't mind selling nicotine at an inexpensive price? I imagine it does. When my nicotine first hit the market a liter of nicotine from just about anywhere was $100-$150 for 100mg. a liter. When I started selling at $125 A liter the bottom dropped out of the market when people started posting that the nicotine they had bought from others was being dumped down the drain. and now people can find nicotine for $45 a liter.

I bring a quality product to the market and the reviews speak for themselves.

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First off, you're a liar. Show one time that I've said your nic was horrible.

Second, your TH nic is oxidized. You say so yourself. Blaming me for telling people the truth while you are showing pictures of your oxidized nic is laughable.

Third, if you informed consumers on your website that your TH nic is oxidized, they wouldn't ask on the forums why it's so cheap. Then I wouldn't have to be the one to inform them. Your lack of disclosure brought this on yourself.

Fourth, I don't give money to dishonest people nor do I buy oxidized nicotine.

And finally, since you felt compelled to call me out in a new thread, I'll be starting a thread in the open forum to rebut your lies. I've been holding back. It will take me awhile to write everything up so keep your eye's out for it. I like to be thorough.
 

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I am done with you time. My nicotine speaks for itself. You even went as far as to accuse Chemnovatic of sleight of hand. You really have it out for me I guess. but you go for it. People who buy my nicotine know that for the price it is superior to what is out there.
I do not have time to "see" what you have to post because I have nothing to defend. The fact that my nicotine has drawn your attention actually means I am making an impact on the market and for that, I thank you.
 

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I remember reading description on TH nic I thought it said "slightly oxidized" on there? I may have been wrong.

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Kevin, just ignore the nonsense. Those of us who've bought nic from you are very happy with it. I've purchased 5L of the TH from you so far and I'd like to get a couple more at the end of the week. So if you could add that back on to your site, I'd be pleased as Inawera Punch :)

Please and thank you :cool:
 

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That's good to know, since I have a liter tucked away in the freezer and almost afraid to open it, based on reviews here of MFS being so "peppery."
I did get a peppery batch from Nude Nicotine once, made my eyes water and nearly coughed up my socks.....:confused:
 

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That's good to know, since I have a liter tucked away in the freezer and almost afraid to open it, based on reviews here of MFS being so "peppery."
I did get a peppery batch from Nude Nicotine once, made my eyes water and nearly coughed up my socks.....:confused:

It sucks when you are expecting something wonderful and end up with a turd instead.;)
I don't mind the VT Throat Hit nic either.
I only use 1/2 of 1% (5mg/ml) in my eliquid batches and I can even tell a difference between VT TH and wizard labs regular nic.
and the price...:)
 

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I've got 2 or 3 liters of the VT TH in the freezer, wonderful product. But I got news for the "masses," if you leave any quantity out to mix with (in my case, it's 30ml at a time), it's gonna start a "degrading" process soon as it leaves the freezer, fridge, or wherever you happen to keep it. From the minute it leaves a lab and right to your door, it's gradually degrading, or oxidizing. It's a slow process (very slow), but none of us are getting 100% "fresh" from anybody. It's just a natural chemical reaction and that's the way it is. How it's handled in the lab and by vendors and distributors can hasten or hurry that process, thus effecting the flavor, but it's a process no one can stop. So I really don't see why some folks get their panties in a knot over a product that's just slightly "off." Way off I have to complain about, but slightly, no.
 

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I take out 120ml at a time but usually make my 4 favorite DIY recipes (the ones i could vape forever and be happy if there were a vapocolypse) in 200ml batches.

I have 2 liters in my freezer too and my mini fridges mini freezer fits exactly seven 120ml bottles so the first bottle I leave out ends up being 160ml
Then after that it's 120 at a time.

I usually immediately take half of it and cut it to 50/50 PG/VG 50mg/ml nic to work with easier.

I have an octagon cabinet in the corner where my mixing area is and that's where I store everything else.

I just had to move my VG and PG to glass because it leached right through the plastic bottles it was sent to me in (Not from Vaperstek)
They sent it to me in 32oz squeeze bottles and I had a small puddle that had formed from the two VG and one PG 32oz bottles.

I now know to avoid those bottles from now on.
 

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It sucks when you are expecting something wonderful and end up with a turd instead.;)
I don't mind the VT Throat Hit nic either.
I only use 1/2 of 1% (5mg/ml) in my eliquid batches and I can even tell a difference between VT TH and wizard labs regular nic.
and the price...:)
when you use such small amounts of nic in your juice the effects it has on the flavor is small but when you use say 12 or 18 mg..oxidized nic really effects the flavor.and so it is important to have unoxidized nic.
I think the only point Time is trying to make is that the so called throat hit nic is not some specialy created product, but nothing more than nic that has been exposed to the air and light long enough to have begun to oxidize....besides VT does make anything ...thier nic is from chemnovatic....
 
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when you use such small amounts of nic in your juice the effects it has on the flavor is small but when you use say 12 or 18 mg..oxidized nic really effects the flavor.and so it is important to have unoxidized nic.
I think the only point Time is trying to make is that the so called throat hit nic is not some specialy created product, but nothing more than nic that has been exposed to the air and light long enough to have begun to oxidize....besides VT does make anything ...thier nic is from chemnovatic....

I personally agree with all of your points.
I would mention that here:
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/vaperstek-banned-me-from-vu-subforum.188291/
Instead of this vendors sub forum since he already said he isn't going to answer any more questions about it.
The only answer you are going to get here is the same answer everyone else got here: "The product is excellent and speaks for itself in the reviews";)
 

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The only thing I don't understand is the drastic price difference - if I had a high-value product there's no way I'd intentionally devalue it right before listing it for sale. Has anyone ever taken a baseball bat to the windows of their car before selling get it so they could make a little less money?

I guess if the prices for TH and regular were closer the "this was done intentionally" statement would make more sense to me. That said, I've tried the regular VT nic and found the quality exceptional - would buy it again without hesitation. I trust the many well-respected mixers in this and other threads who've stood up for the TH nic's quality as well - the back story just doesn't make sense to me.

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I just wish all this bullshit and nonsense would stop. Yes, we are adults, but some certainly aren't acting like it. I hate that we even have to have a "Mud Pit" and "You Mad Bro?" should never pit us against one another. Each "little snowflake" needs to realize that we're all different and have different tastes, viewpoints, and opinions. We all don't eat the same mayonnaise, we don't all drive the same car, and we don't all vape the same juice with the same nicotine - BIG DEAL. But picking on each other and backing one another into corners isn't gonna change a DAMN thing, get over it. None of us here has to live under the same roof as the other (well, except for Tyger and Joe), so why can't we just take our respective opinions for what they are and GO ON? Some of this shit is downright juvenile.....
I personally agree with all of your points.
I would mention that here:
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/vaperstek-banned-me-from-vu-subforum.188291/
Instead of this vendors sub forum since he already said he isn't going to answer any more questions about it.
The only answer you are going to get here is the same answer everyone else got here: "The product is excellent and speaks for itself in the reviews";)
 

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Damn apparently I just got very lucky. Was running out of nic so went searching for some found this great deal you were offering so Friday morning placed an order for 2 liters it was shipped same day (Thank you) and arrived monday. Today was planning on opening both and separating all but 200 ml into cobalt and amber glass jars for first time freezer storage. To only just find out that it is no longer offered on site. Must have just got in under the wire (Time for a Casino trip I guess)
I for one would very much appreciate it if you bring this back.
To put this into my prospective for new vapers. In the last 4 years of DIY I have purchased several liters of nic from different Companys with the last ones being Heartland 1 1/2 years ago and I paid $90 per liter here I got 2 liters for $62 shipped can not be beat. And even without trying it yet I truly believe there is no possible way it could be any more peppery or oxidized than what I am currently using. Also based upon what all but a very few are saying about it I think I am going to be pleasantly surprised and very happy with your TH nic.
So please do not let an idiot ruin it for the rest of us who truly appreciate the bargain you have offered us.
 

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Damn apparently I just got very lucky. Was running out of nic so went searching for some found this great deal you were offering so Friday morning placed an order for 2 liters it was shipped same day (Thank you) and arrived monday. Today was planning on opening both and separating all but 200 ml into cobalt and amber glass jars for first time freezer storage. To only just find out that it is no longer offered on site. Must have just got in under the wire (Time for a Casino trip I guess)
I for one would very much appreciate it if you bring this back.
To put this into my prospective for new vapers. In the last 4 years of DIY I have purchased several liters of nic from different Companys with the last ones being Heartland 1 1/2 years ago and I paid $90 per liter here I got 2 liters for $62 shipped can not be beat. And even without trying it yet I truly believe there is no possible way it could be any more peppery or oxidized than what I am currently using. Also based upon what all but a very few are saying about it I think I am going to be pleasantly surprised and very happy with your TH nic.
So please do not let an idiot ruin it for the rest of us who truly appreciate the bargain you have offered us.
BRAVO!! Take a bow, @Sonar505, take a bow.... ;)
 

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Thank you all for the kind words. It is much appreciated. I bit into the troll bait and well, I have answered to the best of my ability. When A person starts slamming the actual company which makes this nicotine, chemnovatic, then I know it is a hater. Hence why I have stopped replying.

I would like to add that Our TH nicotine is back up on site. We made a certain amount of it and when it is gone, it is gone. We have operated at a loss on this nicotine and I run my business the way I want to run my business.I have goals and to that end their must be a plan. I have undercut everyones prices with this nic and feelings are going to get hurt I suppose.

On another note. We will soon be offering our premium nicotine in 24-36-48- and 60mg.

We desire here at VT to bring you only the finest quality nicotine for your dollar, and will continue to do so until the FDA decides otherwise. and even then who knows. ;)
 

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We have operated at a loss on this nicotine and I run my business the way I want to run my business

You can't operate at a loss and stay in business. Rule number one of owning a business. I own one, so I speak with knowledge.

You can't pass it off as a "loss leader" either.

What you are saying makes ZERO sense.
 

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I would like to add that Our TH nicotine is back up on site.
I've been trying your website since you posted this but a product page for the TH isn't there. When I click on TH nic, and for the 1000ml, I get a page that says just that "1000ml" and nothing else. :(
 

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I've been trying your website since you posted this but a product page for the TH isn't there. When I click on TH nic, and for the 1000ml, I get a page that says just that "1000ml" and nothing else. :(
That's because Chemnovatic is sending clear nic. That calls for a happy dance :)
 

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I bought a liter of 60mg from Wizard Labs back around 2010 and it came gold and quickly turned brownish.

Hmm, couldn't have been in 2010, Wizard didn't even exist then. They opened for business in the summer of 2011. I'm not disputing what you said, just correcting the timeline. :)
 

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Hmm, couldn't have been in 2010, Wizard didn't even exist then. They opened for business in the summer of 2011. I'm not disputing what you said, just correcting the timeline. :)
Maybe the nic was from VoidMist. That shit was nasty back then ! Lol
 

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This nicotine is extracted in Germany?
 

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@Vaperstek
I have a lite rof premium vt in the freezer
i also have a liter of nicselect in the freezer which costs less then half of VT.
Can I taste a differenfce. YES. But its not a $70 difference.
With that being said, if some one offred me free VT premium, I woul dtake it.
IT IS GREAT NIC
HUck sen tme TH NIC to try.
Its as clean tasting as my nicselect and VT premium
I dont like it but its good stuff.

Here's my issue with this whole mess since I was one of the ones badgering for answers

No where on your site did you explain how TH nic got its bite, and it cost 1/5 of the premium
HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE - I asked myself
Then I asked on VU
SO after reading your responses I was left with the impression VT INTENTIONALLY DID SOMETHING to premium nic to turn it into TH nic
OK that sounds reasonable
but wait what did you do
oh ok you oxidized it
hmm ok still sounds great to me
but wait your selling TH nic a t a loss
WTF would anyone intentionally do something to a product that forces them to sell it below cost?
The entire concept is ludicrous in my mind
wait maybe theres an answer...
the premium nic is extremely marked up in price.
if so..who cares- the market determines the price

regardless, you have been asked multiple times about this....you do not provide full disclosure....the entire concept of intentionally oxidizing the premium nic and selling it at a loss makes no sense

then you treat time like garbage by calling him out in the first post of the thread and banning him form replying...granted time IMHO is going overboard a hair...

But base don how you have handled this situation, you lack of full disclosure expect for a response that makes no logical sense for a business to do, and I found nicselect to be comparable for a significant savings, I can not gin good conscious trust what I inhale in my body to your products in the future. When the liter in the freezer is gone, I will replace it with nicselect.

Its a shame, because I had no issue with your company, your provided a great product at what at the time I felt was a great price. you provided me with excellent service. But when asked a simple question you give nonsense answers and then try to play the games you did with @Time I no longe rwant to do business with you.
 

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<----customer here
Hey I got some nic, quite a few months ago it was VG based...
I am not sure if I am storing it correctly or not but it has oxidized which I don't really have a problem with.
Would you recommend I just throw the batch I have out and buy a new batch?
Thanks for a good quality nic by the way!
 

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Would you recommend I just throw the batch I have out and buy a new batch?

IMHO, it's a personal decision. Unless the nicotine had such a strong smell and taste that I found it objectionable, I wouldn't throw it out. A little oxidation isn't going to hurt anything and in fact, would probably be beneficial in some recipes such as tobacco flavored mixes.

Those individuals blessed/cursed with highly tuned taste buds might disagree however. :)
 

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VT nic is all I use after a bad experience with the peppery taste of another brand nic. Some people just like to stir the pot and it's a shame. If you don't like the VT nic then you don't have to buy it but why do you feel the need to insult. I am happy to be a VT customer and have had nothing but good results from using their nic.
 

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VT nic is all I use after a bad experience with the peppery taste of another brand nic. Some people just like to stir the pot and it's a shame. If you don't like the VT nic then you don't have to buy it but why do you feel the need to insult. I am happy to be a VT customer and have had nothing but good results from using their nic.
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VT nic is all I use after a bad experience with the peppery taste of another brand nic. Some people just like to stir the pot and it's a shame. If you don't like the VT nic then you don't have to buy it but why do you feel the need to insult. I am happy to be a VT customer and have had nothing but good results from using their nic.
If you like VT nic, great. If you don't mind being lied to or mislead, that's fine too.

But it's not insulting anyone to call them out on their made up theories, stories, or bullcrap. It may be embarrassing but not insulting. I've asked questions about claims, and received the "I don't know" response to those questions. Questions directly related to these claims of how this is a superior product.

All a vendor has in this business, is his honesty and integrity.
 

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I would just like to state...my decision to no longer buy VT product sis based soley on kevins refusal to give a straight out answer about the TH nic and how he has treated @Time.
I still believe they make a great product and I will use all that I have bought from them that is in my freezer.

But theres too many places to buy from who don't confuse the issues and offer great products at great prices for me to spend my money at VT
 

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A 120 of TH is $10.. I sell many 120's there are 8/120's in a liter. I also sell in store., the loss is not as great as you may believe and that is no ones business but mine. there are always write-offs in any business. I have been forthright in answering questions asked of me,I will not go in depth details on how my business runs or profit and loss, lets just say I am going into my 4th year and things are still going strong, and the the product speaks for itself.

BTW The TH is back up on site. I forgot to make one more adjustment so it could be seen.
 

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I never got a response as to whether all the nicotine is extracted in Germany. I have a theory as to why some is far less expensive and not as smooth...
 

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On another note. We will soon be offering our premium nicotine in 24-36-48- and 60mg.

We desire here at VT to bring you only the finest quality nicotine for your dollar, and will continue to do so until the FDA decides otherwise. and even then who knows. ;)
I love your nicotine and it is all I use since first trying it. I'm beginning to run low and was wondering if you could give us an idea on when you are going to be offering the 48 mg nicotine? I'd rather not do the diluting myself.

Thank you.
 

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<----customer here
Hey I got some nic, quite a few months ago it was VG based...
I am not sure if I am storing it correctly or not but it has oxidized which I don't really have a problem with.
Would you recommend I just throw the batch I have out and buy a new batch?
Thanks for a good quality nic by the way!
The juice I sent you is all made with my recent first purchase of Vaperstek TH nicotine. Even when I vape it at 14 mg. I do not get a peppery taste. I have only purchased Vaperstek premium nicotine at Bull City and recently their TH directly from them. I have not noticed a difference in the quality, but have not compared side by side. I am extremely happy with my purchase, extremely budget friendly!!
 

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Good news, Thanks. I believe I have enough to last until then.
 
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