Vtc4 or vtc5

sony stopped making 18650 batteries years ago...they also never sold them to the open public, so all sony vtc's are recycled, rewrapped or bogus. Lots of companies are buying sony vtc's from vendors who buy them salvaged from RC batteries and other devices.

do you have some data to back this up?

I realize that they aren't sold individually, that's not what I meant. Do you have data that corroborates your claim that they stopped making them altogether? There is a lot of hearsay going around on the internet, as always. Not trying to be rude, just seriously asking for some proof. Proof is good, right? I just want to know if they are all in fact old as you say. "all sony vtc's are recycled, rewrapped, or bogus." is a very questionable claim.

I love me some sony's - I have a pair of VTC4's and another pair of VTC5's and use them both regularly. I don't think of the 4's as any different beyond their capacity, but some others may be able to give better info on other differences. Either way, you're going with a safe battery that you can count on given it's authentic.

I bought 4 here. I checked them with the sun vapor clone guide and they look legit. They work all day no problem.

MrScaryZ said:

The two best at the moment are the VTC5 and the LG 35A or the Purple Efest 35A (Which is a relabeled LG 35A) Efest is only a battery relabeler not a manufacturer

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Actually I hate to argue, but the 2-Best Batteries out there at the moment (my opinion) are Sony VTC3/4/5 & Samsung INR18650-20R/25R batteries!!!

I second the Samsung 25R. I find myself reaching for those more often than my VTC5's lately. I've vaped them down to 0.08 ohms (not that I do that often, but I have done it) without any problems whatsoever. They seem to hit hard longer than my VTC5's, but it could be in my head. Maybe I just like the color and the white plastic ring on top better lol

windxrunner said:

I second the Samsung 25R. I find myself reaching for those more often than my VTC5's lately. I've vaped them down to 0.08 ohms (not that I do that often, but I have done it) without any problems whatsoever. They seem to hit hard longer than my VTC5's, but it could be in my head. Maybe I just like the color and the white plastic ring on top better lol

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The Sony's have the possibility of going to 150A / The Samsung 20/25R's have the possibility of going to 100A. That is why I've been grabbing the sammy's too. Even though I vape @ 0.3ohms

Where is everyone getting there vtc5's? I've heard a bunch of times that they are almost impossible to find now. I see some on ebay but am a little nervous to buy them since everyone is telling me they are probably fakes. Is there a trust worthy place to buy these?? If not what would be equivalent to the vtc5's I want to sub ohm down to about .2

Cheechmachine506 said:

Where is everyone getting there vtc5's? I've heard a bunch of times that they are almost impossible to find now. I see some on ebay but am a little nervous to buy them since everyone is telling me they are probably fakes. Is there a trust worthy place to buy these?? If not what would be equivalent to the vtc5's I want to sub ohm down to about .2

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.2ohms on a fresh battery on a mod with 0 voltage drop is 88 watts and 21 amps.
Even at a number like 4 volts on a mod with .2 drop you are at 20 amps even. The samsung 25r's are continuous discharge rated for 25 amps, so I'd say its more than safe to Vape .2 on them.

From what I have researched, the plant in Japan that made the vtc batteries was affected by the nuclear spill, and the shortage of batteries has finally hit the market. I read they will be up and running again, just don't know when.

For the sake of accuracy the Samsung 25R according to Samsung's spec sheet is a 20 amp continuous rated battery.
The 100 amp figure is for a momentary pulse of a duration of a single (1) second.

Lefty said:

For the sake of accuracy the Samsung 25R according to Samsung's spec sheet is a 20 amp continuous rated battery.
The 100 amp figure is for a momentary pulse of a duration of a single (1) second.

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You're right, I've been up too long to think straight. The pulse ratings do scale though, at a lesser rating the time allowed increases.

Old thread, but the VTC5 is a different battery than the VTC4. Contrary to popular opinion one is not "better" than the other, they're just different models. VTC4 doesn't have as much mAh but can handle higher currents than other batteries. VTC5 has more mAh with decent currents and is a Samsung 25R competitior.

So for most people, the VTC5 will last longer and is therefore better. For the cloud chasers, the VTC4 will be safer and last probably longer.

dr_hammer said:

well still no-one has answered are the vtc5's any better then the vtc4's

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I agree with @Jon@LiionWholesale.

The VTC5 last longer and runs at a slightly higher voltage, i.e., hits harder...but it runs hotter.
The VTC4 runs cooler and is safer to take up to higher power/current levels than the VTC5.

Sooooo.....neither is better. It all depends on how you vape and what's more important to you.

Hobby Kid said:

It surprises me how someone can get an all day vape from their batts when sub ohming. I must have a bad batch because if I vape @ .4 for 20mins I get drop off, a lack of kick and back in the charger they go

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Huh, in all of the devices I have (I am a small retailer, so have many) I will get about full day (sometimes, if changed at night can last the whole next day and into the following one) in the 30-40 watt range on a dual 0.4 ohm coil. Seems to be the case whether using a purple eFest, Samsung 25R, LG HB2, AW or MXJO. However, with the SMOK TFV4 with the triple coil powered by IPV D2, ONLY the LG HB2 will fully fire it in the 65-70 watt range. However, when using (2) LG HB2 or (2) purple eFest high discharge batteries I can run that tank set-up for 1.5-2 days...just an example of the unique characteristics batteries can hold.

On a separate note, I have heard that all 18650 batteries are made from just a few companies like Sony, Samsung, LG and Panasonic. All of these companies allegedly create a multitude of different guts for the case, therefore smaller companies buy the certain model that fits their price point and re-wrap it. The big thing is that the "mAh" rating does not necessarily mean longer firing. The one thing that is for sure is that amp ratings when done a a "pulse" rating can be very deceiving. It is wisest to get a true 25+ amp constant discharge battery and there are not a lot that truly have this feature, anfd apparently only ONE, the LG HB2 that has a 30 amp constant discharge making it potentially the safest for low sub-ohm vaping especially.

Something folks sure try to wrap their head around is that the higher the (true) amperage the lower the mAh. You just can't have a "TRUE" 3200mAh 35 Amp 18650 battery. Higher the amp, lower the mAh; higher the mAh, lower the Amps, no way around it....however, this is a strong case for the use of 26650 batteries, I wish the IPV D2 used one... they could have made it another half centimeter thick!

Hobby Kid said:

I bought some KeepPower 30amp 5200mah 26650. With testing they're actually a bit higher mah. I can sub ohm for 5 hours (longer really) with them on a Seven 7/22 without experiencing any drop off. And when I put them in the charger they'll still read 3.9v. For a li ion batt they're the best I've ever used. They come from china btw

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question: will a magnet stick to the positive end of KP 26650 battery?

I was just perusing the KP stuph at illumn. They are honest telling you some are rewraps.
I f they are a wrapper, wonder where the 26650's come from?

I've used the KP 14500's from Illumn to replace some AA sized packs. They worked great, better than others I have used in the past.

pwnby said:

The 30a rating is for a continuous discharge, with pulse discharge being what we as vapers use a battery for. The chart I posted above is the pulse ratings for a vtc4, I would assume the vtc5 wouldn't be any less.

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The "A30" on your battery its self is the PULSE RATING. DO NOT use this as your continuous discharge rating (C Rating) or any calculations for how low a build you can do with your coils on an uregulated/mechanical mod. IT WILL EXPLODE OR VENT IF THIS NUMBER IS USED. I have the brand new (super awesome) MXJO 18650 3000Mah 35A rating on the battery sleeve. THE CONTINUOUS DISCHARGE RATING IS ONLY 20A!!!!!!! You have to look this up!!!! Super important. NOT WHAT IS PRINTED ON THE BATTERY!

Please do your research because bad info like this can seriously hurt you. That chart is also a very bad chart for any beginner. You need to thoroughly understand Ohm's law. Remember V=IR. I=current (meassured in Amps, to get watts: Amps x Volts = Watts (roughly))

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The "A30" on your battery its self is the PULSE RATING. DO NOT use this as your continuous discharge rating (C Rating) or any calculations for how low a build you can do with your coils on an uregulated/mechanical mod. IT WILL EXPLODE OR VENT IF THIS NUMBER IS USED. I have the brand new (super awesome) MXJO 18650 3000Mah 35A rating on the battery sleeve. THE CONTINUOUS DISCHARGE RATING IS ONLY 20A!!!!!!! You have to look this up!!!! Super important. NOT WHAT IS PRINTED ON THE BATTERY!

Please do your research because bad info like this can seriously hurt you. That chart is also a very bad chart for any beginner. You need to thoroughly understand Ohm's law. Remember V=IR. I=current (meassured in Amps, to get watts: Amps x Volts = Watts (roughly))

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Phew! Hope he wasn't holding his breath for that answer! Lol

Welcome to VU!

Mooch said:

I agree with @Jon@LiionWholesale.

The VTC5 last longer and runs at a slightly higher voltage, i.e., hits harder...but it runs hotter.
The VTC4 runs cooler and is safer to take up to higher power/current levels than the VTC5.

Sooooo.....neither is better. It all depends on how you vape and what's more important to you.

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Well, exactly 1 year since this post. I need to ask: As a vaper of 1yr I'd like to try my new copper Mutation X v4 RDA and matching mech below.

I've read the same thing; C4 has higher continuous discharge but less mAh while C5 has lower continuous discharge but 500 more mAh. To be as safe as I can (considering there is a double in price difference) to me, the C4 makes sense, just to be safe. I'd just like to confirm. I'm not a hard hitter or chain vaper. I wonder what the C5's would be best used for? I'm willing to purchase MORE batteries since my others, I think, are more powerful for dual and trip set ups: LGHE4 (brown), LGH2 (red) and Orbtronic 3000 20A. I also have 2 LGHE4 yellow that I'm using for my current single mods I"m using that drain pretty fast.

So, VTC4 for this little set up or can I use one that I have? Help? I feel the need to build and get this pretty setup going. (stock photo)

Done, tasty and vapor! Used my LGHE2 yellow.

the cell you use on mechs should be determined by what youre building.
whats the resistance on that nicr setup you got there?

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Hello everyone

I was under the impression that vtc4 yield more continuous amp discharge than vtc5.

This thread seems contrary to that.

Would someone elaborate.

Thank you

Mooches chart.



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There is actually a big difference in these 2 batteries, the continuous discharge rate is 30A on the VTC4 and on the VTC5 it is inky 20A. With this being said, you are able to safely build a lower resistance using the VTC4. Another difference is the MAH. Off course you will get a longer battery span out of the VTC5, but Saftey should always come first. Is a extra hour or 2 more important to you, or is your Saftey more important? This is what one must ask them self in order to choose which battery is right for them.

vaperpro23 said:

I advice you to buy a https://etigara-electronica.ro/en/18650-battery/1668-sony-18650-vtc5-30a-2600mah-battery.html . I think that VTC5 it's much better than a VTC4. It have more capacity and a greater autonomy.

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