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A quick question about diy eliquids.
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Yes to both. When you make your own it's tailored to your own tastebuds. So it will be better than store bought juice.
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@HeadInClouds has a thread here with free recipes & at Hicsmixes.com recipes you pay generally $3 and so worth it.I'm asking this cause i tried today to make my first juice and it doesn't seems to have such a great taste
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http://vapingunderground.com/threads/hics-mixes-diy-recipes-store.54921/page-62
All my other attempts with diy recipes were ok but Hic's recipes are just like premium store bought juices. @Squonk also has great recipes here on VU.
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They're actually much better, because one you make yourself is for YOUR tastebuds, not anyone who might happen by, and, you can control every ingredient in it, so you know it's as safe as you can make it.
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You have to get the right percentages for you. Also check out squonk recipes too.I'm asking this cause i tried today to make my first juice and it doesn't seems to have such a great taste
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I'm asking this cause i tried today to make my first juice and it doesn't seems to have such a great taste
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That's because mixing ejuice is more like cooking than mixing koolaid. It takes a bit of knowledge and understanding of what flavors blend well, which flavors by which brands you prefer, and in what ratio to mix them. There's a learning curve, and no way to really escape it, except by doing it. Using other people's recipes can be helpful, but those recipes are created for those people's tastebuds, not yours, and may not suit you -- I tend to use more than twice as much flavoring as other people, because otherwise, I can't even taste it. I didn't know this until I actually tried a few, and then tried to create my own -- my own recipe for strawberry & cream started out at 31% flavoring, and everyone still freaks out about that, but I don't give a shit, I'm not mixing it for THEM, I'm mixing it for ME, and I LIKE IT.
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Here it may be the problem
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I tried to mix 8% FA milkshake and 8% FA strawberry ripe in a 30ml 70/30, 0.6 nic and i feel my flavours really muted...
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Thank you and i don't wanna be rude but whats the point in DIY if you pay for recipes?
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You get a flavoring and you start at a low percentage and keep adding by 1 percent until it tastes right.Here it may be the problem
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Thank you and i don't wanna be rude but whats the point in DIY if you pay for recipes?
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You answered your question.....your recipe is terrible....$3.00 for a recipe that tastes good and works....worth It to me... we need more info on what you mixed to help.
I have made hundreds of recipes and tossed many until I perfected them....some have been posted (good) recipes and were not per my taste buds. mix on
Yeah you have right...
For beginning cause some of my flavours are still on pending with easter deliveries i mixed these 8% The Flavoury milkshake and 8% FA strawberry ripe in a 30ml 70/30, 0.6 nic and i feel my flavours really muted...
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Hmm.... I don't use a lot of FA flavors, hardly any in fact, but I think they're meant to be used at much lower percentages; my experiences with a few TFA flavors are that they're good up to a certain point, but if you go over that, they do tend to mute; that may be what happened here.
Also -- on your PG/VG ratio, it's impossible to know anymore unless it's specified, which is which -- when I started vaping in 2014, it was always PG/VG, but all these damned cloud chasers have fucked things up so badly, nowadays it may often be VG/PG (which doesn't even make ALPHABETICAL sense!), so it's hard to know exactly what you mixed. I do know that higher VG (and 70% VG is A LOT!) means you need to shake it for a LOOOOOOOONG time, that shit is so thick, and it also usually needs a very long steep, 2-3 wks. That steeping shit is why I use a lot of flavoring, so I can actually taste what I've mixed, RIGHT when I mix it, so I know if it's a good recipe or not. Also I use 85% or more PG, so the flavor comes thru right away, not after sitting on a shelf for weeks.
Another factor to keep in mind, and this is why I say it's more like cooking than mixing koolaid -- using only 2 flavors in a mix isn't usually going to result in anything very tasty -- in my strawberry & cream, I use 3 different creams, and one is actually a vanilla custard, to get the desired richness. This is precisely because most flavors, if you use too high a percentage, tend to mute or go sideways; if you layer several flavors together, you avoid that. Also, no strawberry actually tastes like strawberry, EXCEPT Inawera Shisha Strawberry. Every other one I've tried smells really good... and has no taste at all.
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Thanks for your explicit reply... i used 70VG and 30PG cause i like big clouds i can't lie
but your reply makes me wonder... if you mix several flavours lets say, for example 5 like you did for your strawberry & cream, how long you let it steep? When the words fail... music speaks!
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Thanks for your explicit reply... i used 70VG and 30PG cause i like big clouds i can't liebut your reply makes me wonder... if you mix several flavours lets say, for example 5 like you did for your strawberry & cream, how long you let it steep?
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With my original recipe, no more than 24 hrs, TOPS. With my latest version, about a week-ish. I started mixing it strong, as I said, so I could taste it and judge the recipe RIGHT AWAY... now that I know I like it, and also it's been quite a while since I smoked and my comatose tastebuds have started waking up, I can mix it slightly weaker and give it that week-ish, to really shine -- I mix about 55ml at a time, which is enough for about 10 days, and when it's about half gone, I mix a fresh 55ml, so it can sit while I finish the current bottle. Generally when I'm ready to move to the new bottle, it's had time to really "come together." I do give it a shake from time to time, while it's sitting.
But, if I was mixing it with high VG, I'd probably give it at least 2 wks -- I've always used high PG, so never really had to worry about that; the only mixes I've done that absolutely require really long steeps are those with even the slightest amount of tobacco flavoring -- which is nearly always used in VERY sparing amounts, and can take 3-6 wks before it tastes any good.
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FA? Flavour Art?
Maybe TFA? The Flavor Apprentice ?
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/rps-master-list-of-diy-flavor-supplier-abbreviations.38743/
Not a biggie
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FA? Flavour Art?
Maybe TFA? The Flavor Apprentice ?
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/rps-master-list-of-diy-flavor-supplier-abbreviations.38743/
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Oh... sorry! Milkshake is The flavoury and strawberry is TFA. Thank you!
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In that case, I absolutely stand by what I said about strawberry flavors -- great smell, no taste. If you want real strawberry flavor, get Inawera Shisha Strawberry.
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I really like strawberry flavours so i'll definitely buy that one thank you.
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I use 70vg and I only have to wait a day or two. The only flavors that take longer are creams and tobacco.
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A successful ejuice plus I & many others don't mind paying $3 for awesome juice rather than trial & error on my own. But like I said he has tons of free recipes here on VU also.Thank you and i don't wanna be rude but whats the point in DIY if you pay for recipes?
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HIC gives out all kind of recipes for free and helps out with thousands of questions. If I buy a couple of the recipes for dirt cheap it's just a thank you for all the help and you know it's gonna be a really good recipe.
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I totally agree ! With @HeadInClouds you are not alone he's a great guy and so is everyone on that thread. Always willing to help.
Might be too much milkshake, I'd cut it in half at least.
The FA you're using I suspect is TFA as FlavourArt doesn't make either one of those flavors.
The Strawberry Ripe is kinda mild and easily covered up with creams IMO.
I've had much better results using INW Shisha Strawberry as it's stronger and holds its own better with creams/vanillas.
2% INW Shisha Strawberry + 4% TFA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream + 2% TFA Dairy Milk + 1% INW Biscuit works for me
.It will take some time for you to figure out what woks best for you though.
Many good free recipes here on VU and elsewhere...
Kinda limited but...
Some may work as stand alone, or adding 2% Milkshake as a cream type
10-15% FW Butterscotch Ripple
(not sure as I don't have this one but some of the others like FW Butterscotch or FW Natural Butterscotch are in this range)
7% TFA Nectarine + (optional) 2% Milkshake
8-10% Strawberry Ripe (I'd try it alone before adding anything)
2% Cappuccino (some of the coffee flavors are quite strong so it's just a guess)
Thank you and i don't wanna be rude but whats the point in DIY if you pay for recipes?
What's the point of cooking your own food if you have to buy a cookbook?
What's the point of cooking your own food if you have to buy a cookbook?
As you can see i have limited flavours from now and i'm at the beginning stop throwing rocks at me
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As you can see i have limited flavours from now and i'm at the beginning stop throwing rocks at me
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Not throwing rocks, just pointing something out. It's like when you first start cooking food. You don't have a real grasp on what you're doing so you screw up a lot trying to figure things out. If you buy a cookbook, you learn a lot more and start having more successes.
If you buy a cookbook, you learn a lot more and start having more successes.
But having a cookbook won't help much if you only have 5 items in your kitchen
And many cooking recipes can also be found online today for free anyway.
I have far more untried juice recipes saved than I could ever possibly make in my lifetime and it didn't
cost me a dime.
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But having a cookbook won't help much if you only have 5 items in your kitchen
And many cooking recipes can also be found online today for free anyway.
Sure it does. You can look up recipes by ingredient in the index and it gives recipes using those. Or, once you have learned a bit more about cooking from cookbooks and have a better idea what you're doing and what each ingredient tastes like and how it works best, you can throw together your own dishes.
Sure it does. You can look up recipes by ingredient in the index and it gives recipes using those. Or, once you have learned a bit more about cooking from cookbooks and have a better idea what you're doing and what each ingredient tastes like and how it works best, you can throw together your own dishes.
My point being you don't HAVE to buy recipes to make good e-juice.
I make plenty recipes I like and I've never paid for any.
So telling a new DIY'er just go buy a book instead of offering any constructive help is just being rude.
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Sure it does. You can look up recipes by ingredient in the index and it gives recipes using those. Or, once you have learned a bit more about cooking from cookbooks and have a better idea what you're doing and what each ingredient tastes like and how it works best, you can throw together your own dishes.
I've always been more self-taught and "throw it together" on cooking, than reading cookbooks or recipes, but that's mostly because my mom and grandmother were great cooks, so I just kinda picked it up from them, watching and helping. With ejuice, at first I ran into the same problem with recipes as I often find with cookbooks: they call for ingredients I just don't have! That's part of the learning curve of ejuice, acquiring all the necessary ingredients to make something you like. The other part, which is actually more challenging and more expensive, is figuring out which flavors from which mfrs you actually LIKE, because they're vastly different depending on who makes them. then, knowing what percentages to use of which flavors, because that too is vastly different, depending on the flavor itself, and the type of flavor you're trying to mix.
Once I arrived at some of that knowledge, then I found much more success with making my own recipes, than using the recipes of other people, because *I* know what I have, and *I* know what I like, and one thing I absolutely don't like are ejuices that use like 5%-15% flavoring... I simply can't taste anything from those except PG -- which doesn't taste good at all! I've never liked any recipe that used less than 20% flavoring, and most that I enjoy the most use 25%-30% flavoring. Once I learned this about my own tastes, I became able to sometimes adapt other peoples' recipes, just by doubling -- or sometimes tripling! -- their percentages. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't.
But going to the DIY threads is one of the best ways to learn a great deal of this; you get tips, recipes, suggestions, brands and where to find them, etc. Without the TFA forum over at Butthead Central, I'd never have known that using high flavor percentages was a perfectly fine thing to do, given all the measly amounts that most people use.
Andria
FWIW, learn fundamentals, scales, arpeggios, and after you do, forget them and play jazz. Learning the ratios, and good lab technique is never a waste of time.
Once you can make juice consistently to a recipe (BTW, never pay for anything on the net, the net was made for sharing) then begin to experiment.
You are going to love DIY.
Once you can make juice consistently to a recipe (BTW, never pay for anything on the net, the net was made for sharing) then begin to experiment.
You are going to love DIY.
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I really like the cappuccino. never tried the V2 though. to me it doesnt really taste like cappuccino but something about it I like. about 4-5% is good to me all on its own.For now i'm very limited... i have just 5 flavours cause my parcel is in warehouse cause of easter special delivery working days...
What decent juice i can make with these flavours? Thank you
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I tried that on it's on at 6% but i feel it quite harsh... next time i'll try it with a little sweet cream.
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Have you tried Inawera's Cappucino? I was wondering how Capella's compares to it. I don't think I'd like INW's by itself, but it makes a good bldg block in my Smocha. I find most european coffee flavors a bit too strong and bitter to my American tastebuds.
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Add sweetner (Sucrlose) 1 percentI'm asking this cause i tried today to make my first juice and it doesn't seems to have such a great taste
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