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  1. St.Roostifer

    St.Roostifer Gold Contributor Member For 2 Years

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    No but it let's me know there's nickel in the wire and not to vape on it.
     
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    Temperature affects metal in numerous ways. A higher temperature increases the electrical resistance of a metal, and a lower temperature reduces it. ... Finally, ferromagnetic metals become less magnetic when they can get hotter and lose their magnetism above the Curie temperature.

    https://sciencing.com/temperature-affect-metal-4845.html
     
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    Stainless also colors so how can you assume it is Nickel?
     
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    Not assuming it's nickel, but that there's nickel in the wire which SS does have. The small amount of nickel in SS messes me up enough to not ever try nickel or nichrome wire.
     
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    Being allergic or sensitive to Nickel is one thing but is not a reliable way to determine metal composition in my opinion and I still say it is an assumption since it is not being tested by Metallurgical Analysis.
     
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    I'm only speaking on the allergy aspect of it. It's an easy way to find out if the labeled Kanthal is actually Kanthal. When I buy Kanthal wire I make a simple round wire build and glow it first to make sure it doesn't color. If it doesn't color then I start making my Clapton wire.
     
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    I just wonder how some say they can use wires for months. My builds needs to be change at min. Weekly off I start coughing.
     
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    <shrug> I buy a carrot, I want a carrot. I buy a spud, I want a spud. I'd think "false advertising" and other shit and it should Just Make It Right And Don't Do It Again. wtf, people.
     
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    You must factor in how many times a coil is fired. I have coils on some tanks for months but use them only occasionally where other get used daily. How often are the coils chain vaped also is a consideration.
     
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    I'll wait for the other shoe to drop before making any judgments.
     
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    But they already mentioned is not the first time. That for me is part of the issue. But I've never purchased from them. No reason I haven't just found other places before even hearing of them.
     
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    That's true, I'm totally guilty of chain vaping. I need too get more items to split up my vaping.
     
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    Have you heard about dry burning coils to clean them? It's like cleaning an oven - get it hot enough to burn away all the crud (after taking the wick out and rinsing it) then rinse again

    Sorry if you knew that already, not trying to patronize, never heard of coughing after just one week and regular cleaning though
     
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    I'm curious to see what KP comes up with as for the source of the problem. It's obviously human error but I'd like to know is it the same human making the mistake over and over at KP? If not then it's either a problem somewhere in KP's manufacturing process or their supplier is not labeling the paperwork properly so the person labeling the wire, unbeknownst to them, is labeling the wire wrong based on the paper work from the supplier.
     
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    So many factors to consider like Wattage or Temperature and the e-liquids. Some people take 2-3 second hits at high wattage where I go longer at lower power.
     
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    Me too. I went to their site just to see. I find a few things inn sale I wanted but I need to hear a resolution on this. Honestly thks far after the event I don't feel they care really. I was looking for a disclosure on the website. I find nothing.
     
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    KP has never been a Manufacturer. They repackage.. I would even doubt they hire a numpty to spin clapton and make SHOTS.

    I've ordered from KP a dozen times, maybe, in the last 5 years.. But, yeah - wire? unimpressed. Prices? Mostly unimpressed. SHIPPING? Hell yes, faster than chinee - but on a par with LV and others.
     
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    Im a low wattage vapor. If I use clapton dual I stay under 65. I had to be encouraged to increase wattage. Lol. Rightly so based on my wire atm. But tight now I think I'm stress vapor and was a stress smoker. I really trade more than a 3sec draw. And that is like max. I honestly don't fully understand ohm law and take shirt drags to keep my teeth and fingers.
     
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    I've never had a problem with them but I would like to hear what they come up with. I would think with modern technology they should have a good idea of where and how the problem happened.

    Curious if they have addressed the issue on social media somewhere. I'm not on FB, twitter or instagram so I wouldn't know if they did.
     
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    Why would they publish a response on their Website to some self proclaimed asshole Drama Queen in New Jersey who posts videos of him losing it over trivial shit? They should sue his ass and demand a retraction.
     
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    I vape at 9.5 watts all the way up to over 100 watts in TC. So many MOD's but only one set of lungs.
     
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    If they reply specifically to FB or twitter or instagram, and not otherwise - I'm done. Why? I refuse to use that "media".. Sorry, I am just not hipster-enough to care.
     
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    Wanna' buy some lungs? I bet we can arrange that..
     
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    I got the wrong car part from rockauto.com once. It was mislabeled. True story.

    They paid return shipping for the part and gave my money back since they didn't have the right part in stock.

    But, I won't ever by another part from them unless I see them post a response to how the part got mislabeled and sent to me on their web page. :giggle:

    That'll teach 'em.
     
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    Valid point. But do you question the previous errors?
     
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    Wait... is this more #metoo (pound me too)?
     
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    So let's just say for ahole sake rockauto scans their parts before shipping. Then you find out the last 3 orders were incorrect. Yeah, they're going to send the right part but if you checking them.. ere you just hoping I never noticed? But if I'm a mom and shop i would be fucked. intentionally sending wrong part?This world has come to shyt.
     
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    I just received this email:


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    A message from Craig Larsen, the owner of Kidney Puncher LLC:


    On Saturday, 5/5/18, we received an email from a wholesale customer stating that he had custom labeled spools of our wire that were mislabeled as Kanthal A-1.

    On Monday 5/7/18 we performed a magnetic test on every wire spool in our warehouse and in our retail stores. The purpose of this test was to verify the accuracy of our labels in regards to wire "formula". I.e. we wanted to make sure that if a spool was labeled as Kanthal A-1, that it attracted a magnet. If it was labeled as Nichrome 80, that it did not attract a magnet.

    Out of the over 40k spools we had on hand, 99.92% of them passed the magnetic test.

    The small # that did not pass were discarded as scrap.

    We have re-examined our cGMP process for wire product production, which includes labeling. We identified the gap that allowed this rare failure and put measures in place to fix it.

    After further email conversation with the wholesale customer in question, it was determined that he had 11 mislabeled spools out of 768 spools in his order history.

    In case there are more mislabeled spools out there, we are sending this email to our retail ecommerce site customers to encourage you to magnet test any of our wire spools you may have. We believe the number of mislabeled spools to be very small. If you find one of your spools fails the magnet test, please contact
    [EMAIL ADDRESS DELETED AS PER VU RULES] to arrange for a replacement.

    Since 2014, we have sold over 375,000 KP wire products, consisting of spools, 3-ft wire cards and pre-made coils.

    On 5/7 and 5/8/18, our team reviewed all of our customer service records: email, Zendesk (ticket based support system) and Slack.

    Based on our research we have a 99.98% customer satisfaction rate.

    Our company remains committed to providing the highest quality wire products for the vaping community.

    Sincerely,

    Craig Larsen
    Owner, Kidney Puncher LLC


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    This is an email I received from KP today. Long story short, KP found some mislabeled in their stock. Those were trashed. JH had 11 mislabeled spools out of 768. Those will be replaced by KP. KP is revising processes to prevent this in the future. Any KP retail customers that receive mislabeled can call KP and get replacement for free. Full email below:

    Edit: Chef beat me to it...

    A message from Craig Larsen, the owner of Kidney Puncher LLC:


    On Saturday, 5/5/18, we received an email from a wholesale customer stating that he had custom labeled spools of our wire that were mislabeled as Kanthal A-1.

    On Monday 5/7/18 we performed a magnetic test on every wire spool in our warehouse and in our retail stores. The purpose of this test was to verify the accuracy of our labels in regards to wire "formula". I.e. we wanted to make sure that if a spool was labeled as Kanthal A-1, that it attracted a magnet. If it was labeled as Nichrome 80, that it did not attract a magnet.

    Out of the over 40k spools we had on hand, 99.92% of them passed the magnetic test.

    The small # that did not pass were discarded as scrap.

    We have re-examined our cGMP process for wire product production, which includes labeling. We identified the gap that allowed this rare failure and put measures in place to fix it.

    After further email conversation with the wholesale customer in question, it was determined that he had 11 mislabeled spools out of 768 spools in his order history.

    In case there are more mislabeled spools out there, we are sending this email to our retail ecommerce site customers to encourage you to magnet test any of our wire spools you may have. We believe the number of mislabeled spools to be very small. If you find one of your spools fails the magnet test, please contact [email protected] to arrange for a replacement.

    Since 2014, we have sold over 375,000 KP wire products, consisting of spools, 3-ft wire cards and pre-made coils.

    On 5/7 and 5/8/18, our team reviewed all of our customer service records: email, Zendesk (ticket based support system) and Slack.

    Based on our research we have a 99.98% customer satisfaction rate.

    Our company remains committed to providing the highest quality wire products for the vaping community.

    Sincerely,

    Craig Larsen
    Owner, Kidney Puncher LLC
     
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    mountain meet mole hill. So Jai was an over reacting unprofessional person who is part of the problem in our community. And I don't mean the vaping community, I mean everywhere. This type of behavior is a problem, we teat people like shit either because it is easier or for our purposes.
     
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    So should we expect a 30 minute video of the clown losing it now? Maybe another where he plays with feces?
     
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    Got an email from Kidney Puncher

    A message from Craig Larsen, the owner of Kidney Puncher LLC:

    On Saturday, 5/5/18, we received an email from a wholesale customer stating that he had custom labeled spools of our wire that were mislabeled as Kanthal A-1.

    On Monday 5/7/18 we performed a magnetic test on every wire spool in our warehouse and in our retail stores. The purpose of this test was to verify the accuracy of our labels in regards to wire "formula". I.e. we wanted to make sure that if a spool was labeled as Kanthal A-1, that it attracted a magnet. If it was labeled as Nichrome 80, that it did not attract a magnet.

    Out of the over 40k spools we had on hand, 99.92% of them passed the magnetic test.

    The small # that did not pass were discarded as scrap.

    We have re-examined our cGMP process for wire product production, which includes labeling. We identified the gap that allowed this rare failure and put measures in place to fix it.

    After further email conversation with the wholesale customer in question, it was determined that he had 11 mislabeled spools out of 768 spools in his order history.

    In case there are more mislabeled spools out there, we are sending this email to our retail ecommerce site customers to encourage you to magnet test any of our wire spools you may have. We believe the number of mislabeled spools to be very small. If you find one of your spools fails the magnet test, please contact [email protected] to arrange for a replacement.

    Since 2014, we have sold over 375,000 KP wire products, consisting of spools, 3-ft wire cards and pre-made coils.

    On 5/7 and 5/8/18, our team reviewed all of our customer service records: email, Zendesk (ticket based support system) and Slack.

    Based on our research we have a 99.98% customer satisfaction rate.

    Our company remains committed to providing the highest quality wire products for the vaping community.
     
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    Ooops, seems I'm late to the game.

    Anyway Kidney Punch is still pretty much one of my TOP sources of quality wire.
     
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    Jai is a fucking Drama Queen
     
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    Good on KP explaining their investigation into the problem, identifying it and providing the numbers. They handled this like professionals. Unlike the tweezed eyebrow version of Dr.Phil.
     
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    That chubby ass dimwit Jai is not only an embarassment to the community, he's latest little bitchfest had the potential to give a real black eye to vaping, making it seem as if one of vapings larger suppliers were inept if not down right dishonest and putting people's health at risk...giving the anti-vaping community ammunition to step in and regulate us out of existence....we have always policed ourselves and it has worked well for the community,but this wasn't an episode of the community policing itself,this was an episode of a loudmouthed dolt trying to start a lynching...
     
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    After further email conversation with the wholesale customer in question, it was determined that he had 11 mislabeled spools out of 768 spools in his order history.

    11. Fucking 11 spools. Okay, over it - KP rocks. Not gonna get all riled up at a drama queen's antics this close to bedtime.

    Lol, there were fewer mislabled spools than minutes in that EXPOSING video
     
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    hahahahahaha
     
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    To be honest, 11 spools out of 768 is just 69% accuracy which is 30% lower than the tests conducted in KP's warehouse which to me is unacceptable if I were the one buying the spools. That's horrible accuracy. Not sticking up for Dr.Phil and Mr.Clean's love child. Just feel it's only fair to point that out.
     
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    yeah makes rip tripper look pretty highbrow right about now.
     
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    They investigated it, found the problem and most importantly they admitted to the problem and that speaks volumes. Unlike other suppliers like the shit wire company KBee or any other Chinese shit wire peddler.

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    btw:
    $ echo "scale=3;11/768"|bc
    .014

    About 1.4% error rate - at the KP end. How much at Jai's end? ;-P
     
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    Besides your math is way off, 11% of 768 is 84, a bit more than 11. ;)

    11 out of 768 is, 015%so less than 2% isn't that bad ya know

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    90% ;)

    Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk
     
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    Ha ha, thanks for pointing that out. Not sure WTF I was thinking. :teehee:

    Less than 2% is definitely not worthy of a sensationalized rant video. Then again, why would a drama queen pass on an opportunity to go off the deep end to try and bring more subscribers to tune into his drama?

    Regardless I stand by what I initially said when this first happened. I've never had a problem with KP and will continue to purchase my Kanthal A1 from them.
     
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    I'm thinking there is a math error there...

    Yeah, their error rate is actually 1.4% or 98.6% accuracy, for Jai - I got an order that was 50% wrong once (different store) but didn't make a video about it

    Screenshot_20180518-224320.png

    Oops, many smarties here, I think I'll just go to bed haha :oops:
     
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    that's what I should have done before I typed that post. :teehee:
     
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    I just realized a month ago you can do that in Google. I used to search Google for a calculator first lol...Google knows all
     
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    Like I stated before, they tested, admitted to a problem, took steps to correct it and most importantly admitted it. Unlike shit wire companies like KBee or any other Chinese shit wire that will just either ignore you or tell you to fuck off if they even bother to respond.

    Hell when Kidney Puncher was informed of an issue they tested all their wire, that speaks volumes about their commitment ya know.

    No I don't work for them I just like to give credit when credit is due.

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