Are Mechs a thing of the past?

[BabyFartsMcGeezax]

Continuing the 4nine show...

O... that is beautiful... I've been meaning to get a few 4nines.. before they don't exist in authentic form..

When I first looked at it...I just focused on the bottom.. almost thought you did that with a torch.. Did you just use sea salt in a wet paper towel or something? Very nice...

I lost my copper tobh..it got a ton of color in it after this... probably sitting in the area that "lot"happened last week. At least I didn't pay over $20 for it... I love playing with changing the aesthetics of metal. This was well over a month ago.. and I just let it go.. almost looked like some copper tye-dye job..when I lost it..

I like the way the color copper is manipulated by a torch..I dig it...flowed really well with my IPV2 wrap and Gus mod.. yeah...I was attached to that $16 clone..lol

 

[ej1024]

Dude MECHs are here to stay, I do own a DNA 30,I dont even use it anymore..id rather spend money on mechs, im not buying those BOX mods coming out of china!!!
My current set up
THE BOSS/MUTATION XL
CONGESTUS/MUTATION XL
YES!! 26650 DUAL 4 WRAPS 20 GAUGE IS MY SWEET SPOT... lets go
Sent from my
LUMIA 1520

 

[Nikkita6]

My favourite setting for Merkury "Cartoons" is .5ohm@100w. It really kicks the cinnamon into overdrive. That right there is why I love this box...it really lets you fully explore the flavour profile range of juices. I find my normal setting is [email protected] love a warm to hot vape...mainly because of my fondness for bakery and dessert juices. My gennies dont like that level of abuse, so I get the most out of them on a mech with a .7ohm build.

Warm to hot vapes at .2ohm @75W eh? .. well sir you are too Gangsta for me I am much too delicate a creature for a hot vape

.7 ohm on a Kato Square box, and a freshly charged LG-HE2 had me crying for my mommy, lol.

 

[TheWestPole]

In the past few weeks I sold my little-used ZMax and MPV2 mods on Ebay. At first they were useful helping me to target my coil builds. Coil wants more current? Lower the resistance with the next build, etc. Once the coil builds got more in sync with my juices and attys, I found I was no longer adjusting the mod settings. That is, they helped me build coils for my mechs, which I try to standardize on for their portability. I've never held a box(y) mod in my hand I would consider carrying around--though iStick size- and shape-wise is heading in the right direction.

That said, I will probably buy one of the more powerful box mods soon, again for the purpose of fine tuning lower ohm builds and finding the best current levels for new juices. No rush though. In a couple of months I'll be able to put ~100 reliably regulated watts in my hand for ~$50. A useful tool at the right price. More useful though, I suspect, will be the downsized custom mechs I'm working on.

 

[Steam Powered]

Good things can come from a box.....

 

[MKPM]

Warm to hot vapes at .2ohm @75W eh? .. well sir you are too Gangsta for me I am much too delicate a creature for a hot vape

.7 ohm on a Kato Square box, and a freshly charged LG-HE2 had me crying for my mommy, lol.

Oh my arse!!! My wee daughter weighs all of 110lbs and with around a total of 7 years of kickboxing and Krav Maga (courtesy of her Army SF boyfriend), is is quite not "delicate", but certainly appears to be. I will say that judging by your avatar and sig pics....you a joy to behold....and with your obvious intelligence...I should imagine you intimidate the lads!

Ninja Assassin Not Delicate Chef Daughter Beast

 

[MKPM]

Good things can come from a box.....

If that does not have a name yet.....I shall call it "The Venkman"

 

[MKPM]

In the past few weeks I sold my little-used ZMax and MPV2 mods on Ebay. At first they were useful helping me to target my coil builds. Coil wants more current? Lower the resistance with the next build, etc. Once the coil builds got more in sync with my juices and attys, I found I was no longer adjusting the mod settings. That is, they helped me build coils for my mechs, which I try to standardize on for their portability. I've never held a box(y) mod in my hand I would consider carrying around--though iStick size- and shape-wise is heading in the right direction.

That said, I will probably buy one of the more powerful box mods soon, again for the purpose of fine tuning lower ohm builds and finding the best current levels for new juices. No rush though. In a couple of months I'll be able to put ~100 reliably regulated watts in my hand for ~$50. A useful tool at the right price. More useful though, I suspect, will be the downsized custom mechs I'm working on.

On the 30th, I'm ordering a Fire Pipes box from the Philippines.

 

[MKPM]

Good things can come from a box.....

*pats his dual LiPo box*...we may have to drag race these sir!

 

[Steam Powered]

If that does not have a name yet.....I shall call it "The Venkman"

I call it "Felis" :}

 

[TheWestPole]

Good things can come from a box.....

Hey Mister, this six-pack is half drunk!

 

[TheWestPole]

On the 30th, I'm ordering a Fire Pipes box from the Philippines.

Okay, box doesnotequal regulated. Al things considered though, that one needs a built in fire "regulator."

 

[MKPM]

I hate it when people call them "mechanical box mods". I tell them to call them "unregulated box mods" or simply "box mods".

 

[Nikkita6]

Oh my arse!!! My wee daughter weighs all of 110lbs and with around a total of 7 years of kickboxing and Krav Maga (courtesy of her Army SF boyfriend), is is quite not "delicate", but certainly appears to be. I will say that judging by your avatar and sig pics....you a joy to behold....and with your obvious intelligence...I should imagine you intimidate the lads!

Ninja Assassin Not Delicate Chef Daughter Beast

Ahaha .. ok busted, I was being funny about the delicate part. Like your daughter, I am a skilled martial artist myself. Former American style kickboxing instructor, all natural bodybuilder and certified personal trainer (true story) ... thanks for blowing my clover

"Intimidating" that is one that I have heard more than once in my life, but really, I don't like hot vapes, lol. Your daughter is terribly sweet looking though, but I know better than most that looks are often times deceiving

 

[KKen]

As the owner of over 25 mechanical mods, I do think that mechs are "becoming" a thing of the past however, I believe that it will be a temporary shift. Just as for a time there became an overwhelming disinterest in regulated devices, and mechanical mods temporary took hold of the market. Its just the ebb and flow of things, and it quite necessary in order to keep pushing innovation and creativity forward.

I have recently chatted with a few vapers who like myself, have lost interest in mechanical mods, at least for the moment. Right now I am more interested in regulated devices. Having used mechs exclusively for the last year, I can appreciate the difference in the vape that I get from a regulated device. I am sure that within 6-8 months time we will see the new and more innovative offerings in mechanical mod design, and the market will once again sway in that direction.

I guess we are on the opposite vape trains Nikkita I lost interest with regulated devices and only use mechanicals now, but I could see that changing again with the DNA40. Ah, the ebb and flow of my wallet

 

[BabyFartsMcGeezax]

I'm pretty sure we should be seeing more companies will be introducing a temperature control aspect to some chips...just from things I've heard about the next generation of sx 350's..and one other..not clouper..quite possibly just another yihi chip I'm thinking of. ..

How about that DNA 40 compressed into a kick? Drool..that would make modding a bottom feeder for regulation painless...and I would only be using my mechs..edit even though I usually vape higher than 40 Watts...consistent power is wonderful.

 

[Nikkita6]

I guess we are on the opposite vape trains Nikkita I lost interest with regulated devices and only use mechanicals now, but I could see that changing again with the DNA40. Ah, the ebb and flow of my wallet

Aha, you will be back Ken .. I too had previously lost interest in anything regulated, but the game has since upped its ante, and I cannot help but to be intrigued. Having more regulated devices with flat DC signals had a lot to do with it though. With PWM devices I didn't really vape over 3.8v, as such, mechanicals made more sense to me for every day use. But then that flat DC signal got me, and I found that I enjoyed a regulated vape more than I had in the past.

It was the variety of mechs that really had me though, because you know that I am all about that vapeporn Ken And your crisps photos of your 4nine set up did remind me of why I once loved mechanicals so much

 

[KKen]

Speaking of high wattage kick, would be nice to have them available in pre-set configurations. In other words, when you order a kick, you pick from a range of available wattages.

 

[TheWestPole]

Speaking of high wattage kick, would be nice to have them available in pre-set configurations. In other words, when you order a kick, you pick from a range of available wattages.

...or order in sets of denominations, like poker chips.

 

[KKen]

Aha, you will be back Ken .. I too had previously lost interest in anything regulated, but the game has since upped its ante, and I cannot help but to be intrigued. Having more regulated devices with flat DC signals had a lot to do with it though. With PWM devices I didn't really vape over 3.8v, as such, mechanicals made more sense to me for every day use. But then that flat DC signal got me, and I found that I enjoyed a regulated vape more than I had in the past.

It was the variety of mechs that really had me though, because you know that I am all about that vapeporn Ken And your crisps photos of your 4nine set up did remind me of why I once loved mechanicals so much

I don't think I ever had a PWM device, unless ego batteries were, but my first regulated was an MVP2, then pretty much went straight to the DNA30

In between I was using mech clones, but the DNA30 pretty much cleared all of that out until I got my first authentic mech which was the 4Nine. I've been on an authentic mech binge since then, even tried the r-DNA30 for awhile but kept going back to the mechanicals for some reason. I dunno, like you said, with so many new goodies coming lately, its only a matter of time til the grass looks greener somewhere else.

Speaking of 4Nine, haven't been using it as much anymore, sort of went off on an Anatolian binge.

 

[BabyFartsMcGeezax]

...or order in sets of denominations, like poker chips.

You two have a great idea. Hop to it!.. I'll sit on the couch and eat chips..I just patented it. China cloned it yesterday..

My first mech was a magneto v2..purchased 1/1/14..lol. In Atlanta for new year's..murph's last shows..

I really want one of these..

But the 4nine was my first "real" authentic, and still one of the best in my book..having a SS version.. involves cleaning - do any of you use dielectric, silicone, or conductive(silver&similar) grease? She uses it now, so it's not going to be getting dirty like it was with me.. So I'm going to get something for her..recommendations? I've gotten a few, but I'm leaning towards silver grease..
Sexy "purified" gallon water bottle shot..uncapped origen- quad build..

Smart water, bedside turtle ship love shot edit-lol..oops..is that against the rules?haha.

Capped origen

Hard to find something that doesn't look good with the 4nine..been meaning to buy the whole set..clones will be there after the authentics disappear I suppose...but placebo tells me it feels better in my hand if I pay over $100 for it.

I could've sworn the 2six had the same button style as the original 4nine.. did they change that? Or did they never manufacturer any with the floating battery contact? I know there are clones on fast tech..but I'm part of two family businesses, so I don't do clones if it's an honest modder and such.. if I can only buy your mod with a facebook account.. I'll get a clone.

Sorry...I'm trying to get my hours turned back around...I suck at sea-ciety..babble-babble.

 

[Steam Powered]

Hey Mister, this six-pack is half drunk!

C'mon over and bring more beer. I got more batts! We'll put some fire in the wire!

 

[Smoky Blue]

ya know.. this is funny..

i had a mvp once.. but now.. i dont think i remember what the heck vv/vw is..
and i dont think i care to learn again.. happier with my mechs and eyebox..

 

[Garemlin]

Mechs will always have their place in vaping. Especially with the fact that vaping has turned into more of a hobby than a tool for many people. Mechs are great for those that like to tinker. For me I am a set-it-and-forget-it type of vaper. I don't want to constantly have to be cleaning, adjusting and worrying about checking my batteries. I went through two rounds with mechs and always came back to regulated devices. I did always have a mech on hand for my drippers. But since getting the rDNA I have no need.

I will admit that I do like the look and craftsmanship of many mechs. But I would rather spend my money on something that I will use. Not admire.

 

[EthelMaltol]

My favorite mod seems to be my ggts telescoping mech mod clone. Since mechs are so cheap and durable, they are my pick! Plus, being able to swap out the battery, rather than having to charge the mod is a big plus, imo. Regulated mods have their place, but they are usually more expensive and tend to break easily. My mvp2 is already acting up and it hasn't even been used much, never dropped. With a mech, you can buy or build a coil that will give you your desired ohms.

I guess too many broken mods have turned me into a mech lover!

 

[TheWestPole]

Mechs will always have their place in vaping. Especially with the fact that vaping has turned into more of a hobby than a tool for many people. Mechs are great for those that like to tinker. For me I am a set-it-and-forget-it type of vaper. I don't want to constantly have to be cleaning, adjusting and worrying about checking my batteries. I went through two rounds with mechs and always came back to regulated devices. I did always have a mech on hand for my drippers. But since getting the rDNA I have no need.

I will admit that I do like the look and craftsmanship of many mechs. But I would rather spend my money on something that I will use. Not admire.

Respect. And respect to all those who put flavor first.

I recognize that in my noobhood as a juice connoisseur that I may have not yet realized the ultimate virtue of regulated mods. From a pure truth-to-flavor perspective, regulated may well be the only way to go. If taste is first and many tastes a necessity during the course of a day, all hardware decisions are in service of that. Each flavor will dictate its optimum mechanism, heat, juice and air flow, etc. In which case a power source that offers easily and precisely set current levels may take you from desire to satisfaction faster and more consistently than any of the alternatives.

A juice gourmet then, like an adventurous chef, must remain HARDWARE AGNOSTIC, though today he/she may have a regulated mod in hand.

 

[TheWestPole]

Apropos of flavor...



...exact meat temperature in 2-3 seconds. My favorite electronic cooking instrument.

What does this have to do with regulated mod design? Nothing. Everything.

 

[MKPM]

I consider beef or lamb that temps out above 57f to be destroyed. Pork, if I know the provenance will be taken at the high end of medium rare. Fish must be at the point where it has just turned opaque....and poultry can sod right off.

 

[TheWestPole]

I consider beef or lamb that temps out above 57f to be destroyed. Pork, if I know the provenance will be taken at the high end of medium rare. Fish must be at the point where it has just turned opaque....and poultry can sod right off.

57c, I hope.

 

[MKPM]

57c, I hope.

F
57c would be a wee pile of carbon

 

[MKPM]

Brain was elswhere....bump that to about 110f. I will eat Highland beef at much lower.

 

[TheWestPole]

Brain was elswhere....bump that to about 110f. I will eat Highland beef at much lower.

Hmmm. Prefer your sashimi just above freezing then?

 

[BabyFartsMcGeezax]

How can we get off track? We've conquered the thread.. We're about to start charging property taxes for post spaces..just fyi. Don't wanna get hit with late fees on that bill.

Here are some more relics from a distant past.

Anyone know of magnets that will fit the ogcigs republic 14500 mod? Spring shot across the room before I got an atomizer to go with it.., and it was already wobbly..I figured 2-3 magnets would fix that..or an appropriate spring...I don't know how to make springs that small...~3mm outer diameter of switch's contact+screw.

 

[TheWestPole]

Hey @KKen, is that Mark of Zorro your proven wicking style, or is this just for show? Really, how do those long wicks perform for you?

 

[KKen]

Hey @KKen, is that Mark of Zorro your proven wicking style, or is this just for show? Really, how do those long wicks perform for you?

I start off like this:

Then I just shape them on the deck as shown:

I use the Kumo brand of organic Japanese cotton because I find it wicks much more evenly, as well as so much easier to get a perfect thickness that's even from end to end. I can tell if it works the way it should because it bubbles simultaneously from both sides of the tank as opposed to how I used to do it and get one side pulling in more juice than the other.

The coil placement at that angle is actually what Svoemesto recommends as opposed to the P Busardo way of just laying it flat across and stuffing cotton indiscriminately into the chamber

I don't vape flavored juices anymore, so this build is probably going to last me a long time. I never get dry hits so the condition of the cotton remains quite healthy. I haven't changed my wick or coil for about 2 weeks now, still works great

 

[TheWestPole]

I start off like this:

Then I just shape them on the deck as shown:

I use the Kumo brand of organic Japanese cotton because I find it wicks much more evenly, as well as so much easier to get a perfect thickness that's even from end to end. I can tell if it works the way it should because it bubbles simultaneously from both sides of the tank as opposed to how I used to do it and get one side pulling in more juice than the other.

The coil placement at that angle is actually what Svoemesto recommends as opposed to the P Busardo way of just laying it flat across and stuffing cotton indiscriminately into the chamber

I don't vape flavore juices anymore, so this build is probably going to last me a long time. I never get dry hits so the condition of the cotton remains quite healthy. I haven't changed my wick or coil for about 2 weeks now, still works great

Well Mr. Z, simultaneous bubbles both sides sounds excellent, and apparently you have perfected the style. It seems like soooo much wick to me compared to the direction I've been going: coil at 90 degrees to the posts with very short wicks curved down ending right at the top of the juice channels. Time for a new Kayfun build though, and on the basis of your fine example I think I'll give it a try. Cheers!

 

[KKen]

Yeah, it does, and would probably be too much if I was using regular cotton, but with these organic cotton pads, since the strands/fibers are all in uniform and go in one direction, it really does a fine job of soaking up the juice nice and evenly.

Picture may be misleading, but the cotton strand is actually sitting very loosely inside the coil.

I only use unflavored 6mg nic & 100% VG now which I would describe as very "wet" vape that tastes like a juicy fruit gum right before that point where it starts to lose its flavor, if that makes any sense

 

[Rommel]

Unflavoured 100% VG is actually quite nice. Its very smooth, feels saturated and thick.

 

[TheWestPole]

Yeah, it does, and would probably be too much if I was using regular cotton, but with these organic cotton pads, since the strands/fibers are all in uniform and go in one direction, it really does a fine job of soaking up the juice nice and evenly. Picture may be misleading, but the cotton strand is actually sitting very loosely inside the coil.

I only use unflavored 6mg nic & 100% VG now which I would describe as very "wet" vape that tastes like a juicy fruit gum right before that point where it starts to lose its flavor, if that makes any sense

Yes, that does make sense, and sounds appealing to me. There is somebody I vape around all the time who is sometimes bothered by the smell. That might be a good choice in that situation.

 

[VapinChevy]

Just dropping in to see how things are going BTW MECHS RULE OVER ALL in the End!

 

[James]

Ya , Mechs are dead . Thay were just battery tubes anyway , and some of them were way overpriced anyhow . There just a comsumable anyway . Who in there rite mind would pay over 20$ for a battery tube anyway .

 

[Rommel]

Ya , Mechs are dead . Thay were just battery tubes anyway , and some of them were way overpriced anyhow . There just a comsumable anyway . Who in there rite mind would pay over 20$ for a battery tube anyway .

An enthusiast would pay. And has paid. Buying authentic is also good for the economy, provided that the design etc has been done in your country. Designers dont work for free, and thats really good. The more money they get, the more taxes they pay. More money they have, more money they spend. More they spend demands more from the market. Demand creates jobs. Jobs create money, circle starts again.

Okay, i admit. Maybe vaping is not the business thats solves world financial crisis, but thats just a simple example us consumers can do to help it.

Offtopic, sorry.

 

[MrScaryZ]

Yeah Joe is just getting us to discuss to see what the numbers are haha. He knows that Mechs are not going anywhere
Many people like the simplicity its funny when I stop in Brick and Mortars people care less old young about the regulated mods
they always ask is all I have to do is charge and press the button? They want easy and a Mech is just that like vaping heating a coil
does not take fancy chips or huge coils.. Now I am playing the devils advocate. I use them all for different reasons
but as I sit here right now Im using mechs

 

[KKen]

Ya , Mechs are dead . Thay were just battery tubes anyway , and some of them were way overpriced anyhow . There just a comsumable anyway . Who in there rite mind would pay over 20$ for a battery tube anyway .

I'll pay up to $200 for a battery tube if I really like the design and if I perceive it to be really well made. Mechanicals dead? Sure, for some they are, just as Provaris and cartomizers are for others, yet, like mechs, they still continue to be widely used and purchased

 

[James]

Well if you realy want your 200 to be well spent spend 20 on a all cu tube then spend 180 on getting it hand engraved by someone local ?

 

[TheWestPole]

Yeah, it does, and would probably be too much if I was using regular cotton, but with these organic cotton pads, since the strands/fibers are all in uniform and go in one direction, it really does a fine job of soaking up the juice nice and evenly.

Picture may be misleading, but the cotton strand is actually sitting very loosely inside the coil.

I only use unflavored 6mg nic & 100% VG now which I would describe as very "wet" vape that tastes like a juicy fruit gum right before that point where it starts to lose its flavor, if that makes any sense

Tried your coil/wick style (so far so good) with flavorless high VG and it has possibilities, particularly for vaping near that Other who doesn't like the smell. The vape is smooth and mild but satisfying. The taste isn't bad. Yes, like Juicy Fruit losing its flavor, but oddly with a hint of corn or something. I'm thinking of adding some very low level of non-smelly flavor to make it more appealing to my palate. Maybe a little spice, citrus or sweet, don't know yet. Whatever it is it will have to be inoffensive to the nose of the Other.

 

[KKen]

Tried your coil/wick style (so far so good) with flavorless high VG and it has possibilities, particularly for vaping near that Other who doesn't like the smell. The vape is smooth and mild but satisfying. The taste isn't bad. Yes, like Juicy Fruit losing its flavor but a bit oddly with a hint of corn or something. I'm thinking of adding some very low level of non-smelly flavor to make it more appealing to my palate. Maybe a little spice, citrus or sweet, don't know yet. Whatever it is it will have to be inoffensive to the nose of the Other.

Corn flavored vape haha!

What brand of unflavored nic juice are you using?

When I first started moving away from flavors, I would still blend some of my flavored juices, probably a 10-90 ratio. Some of my buddies are doing that on a regular basis, maybe closer to a 40-60 mix, but no plan to cut flavor out completely. They just like the fact that they now have 4x the mileage of their favorite gourmet juices with the added bonus of having that perceived comfort level of believing whatever harmful chemical additives are in the flavoring are at a much more diluted level.

 

[TheWestPole]

Corn flavored vape haha!

What brand of unflavored nic juice are you using?

When I first started moving away from flavors, I would still blend some of my flavored juices, probably a 10-90 ratio. Some of my buddies are doing that on a regular basis, maybe closer to a 40-60 mix, but no plan to cut flavor out completely. They just like the fact that they now have 4x the mileage of their favorite gourmet juices with the added bonus of having that perceived comfort level of believing whatever harmful chemical additives are in the flavoring are at a much more diluted level.

This one.



Got a better tasting VG for a straight up vape?

 

[TheWestPole]

Corn flavored vape haha!

What brand of unflavored nic juice are you using?

When I first started moving away from flavors, I would still blend some of my flavored juices, probably a 10-90 ratio. Some of my buddies are doing that on a regular basis, maybe closer to a 40-60 mix, but no plan to cut flavor out completely. They just like the fact that they now have 4x the mileage of their favorite gourmet juices with the added bonus of having that perceived comfort level of believing whatever harmful chemical additives are in the flavoring are at a much more diluted level.

Aaah. 4% TFA Marshmallow balanced the corniness nicely. Resuscitated the Juicy Fruit too.

 

[KKen]

I never tried that brand.

Actually, I'm still researching various VG grades. I was led to believe that food grade glycerin is the one to avoid, but still trying to gather more info on that. For straight up VG, I like to use Wizard Labs:

http://wizardlabs.us/index.php?route=product/category&path=83_70

I use this to cut my VelvetCloud 6mg Nic VG down to a 3mg. Not sure if its the nicotine content, but the Wizard labs VG is noticeably sweeter than the Velvet Cloud unflavored 6mg nic VG. It could be the dilution of the Velvet Cloud VG with distilled water, but I'm not 100% sure.

BTW, pretty amazing how cheap VG is huh? The markup for "gourmet" juice is pretty staggering once you look at it from that point of view lol