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  1. Zomb!e

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    you gota be kidding me.. :oops:

    recipe_bot.. roflmao.. and some of mine there too..
    *shakes head.. sad..
     
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    Wow...
     
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    face it peepz..

    anything you post on line will go around the world in less than umm a second..
    nothing is special unless it is just not posted.

    I did expect this.. and yeah I come down hard when i see it happen..
    but it does, and it sucks but.. vape power to those of us who vape on! :)
     
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    censored (by myself)
     
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    yeps.. but i was not being sarcastic..

    maybe.. :D

    bwahaha! ^_^

    still, HIC.. thing that brought me back to sharing my recipes, is the people here..
    FB, i got a bunch of

    *Smoky, you can not do that.. without someone explaining..
    *Smoky had a lot of static over her experiments with agave..
    (even when I checked with my friend Kurt.. told him how i was mixing it..
    1ml to 10ml vg, warmed.. cooled down and only a tiny pipette drop.. to a max of 3..
    when providing proof of his response it should be safe.. major blow out!)

    and then the recipe "spread" as I call it.. pretty much like this is happening now..
    see.. people have a hard time being original.. or they are shaky when they first start..
    maybe that is a better way of paraphrasing it..

    and then things happen, people are caught vape handed, and they get scared..
    **added>> or trying to build content up on yet another site..
    scared we will stop posting, and delete content..

    this is why we are seeing so much of it..

    sad, but true..

    this is just my experience.. i am sure i am not the only one.
     
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    Wow !! I guess I shouldn't be surprised this is happening because when people are on the internet they seem to lack manners and good judgement but alas I am surprised nevertheless .

    I am really sorry people are taking your hard work and generous nature and doing this to you .
     
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    Jensy..
    it happens..

    we have good people here, with terrific ideas..
    we all bring something to the vape table..
    lessons and reasons unknown before hand..

    thing is, we are probably the best group out on the net..
    some are still missing in action.. and i wonder about old friends..

    thing is, by others taking these.. maybe they will change lives somewhere..
    we know there is a 75% chance people will make money off these..
    heck i see people making single flavors and only charging 3-5.00 for a 10ml bottle..

    it happens.. we either get over it and continue to have fun and share..
    or it stops.
     
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    I just hope it doesn't deter our great contributors from sharing. I'd be lost without all of the great recipes and ideas that are shared here.
     
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    I see my White Coconut Cake was added there on the 11th...
     
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    You have a peaceful and zen like attitude about this and I applaud you !

    What really irks me about this is anyone can make ejuice , squirt some flavor in a bottle and away you go. Will this juice be good , maybe but chances are not. To make really good ejuice with a complex lists of flavors to me is a real art form that has taken time, patience ,money and a good palette . People are quickly copying and pasting these recipes with no thought to what the maker put into them, just no appreciation . That irks me !

    I am very new to mixing and to have this kind of help from people is AMAZING that I hate to see unappreciated for it. Also, when these recipes are posted elsewhere they do not get to have the input from the person who developed it which is just as good as the recipe itself . How many times to do we see people say they do not have the flavor written and ask if it can be substituted and the original mixer say no because ............. That is just as good as the recipe itself.

    Ever go to an art show and see a painting you love and then the artist comes over and explains what they were trying to capture and why they did certain things? It changes the painting immensely and you learn something from it with so much more appreciation. I find this with the recipes all of you make.

    Anyhoooooooo it just really bothers me and it comes down to just simple consideration and appreciation to everything all of you have done.
     
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    I was not like that yesterday, Jensy :p

    been sick with some sort of bug, and it's effecting my mixing right now.. grr..
    however! :) I know what you are saying.. and you coming from Canada..
    I can appreciate the efforts you are going thru to learn diy..
    others just want it quick and yes, never understand why we do what we do (mix-wise)
    either due to being new, or want to learn so fast..
    trust me, as beginners.. we all make mistakes..
    i have over a year, almost year and a half soon.. of mixing..
    i still make mistakes.. but they are so few between now..

    I do not go the route HIC takes, rather I still listen to my vape hunger..
    see.. I want things that make you go hum.. I want you to try and pick out what is in it..
    rather than identify with food or drink..
    but HIC is on top of his game too.. and yes, I like how he does his! :)
    there is no right or wrong way to mix.. but know what it is you use to stay safe.

    what would happen, if they fail to give the notes, or updates?
    that is the bad draw back of not being the original publisher of the juice..
    it will not taste the same.. without having the notes.
     
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    Jason.. that's just one site.. out of how many?
    if your recipes go world wide.. be flattered :p haha!
    for it will happen over and over..
    just remember to be cautious on what you post..

    this is the only advise I can give you..
    it sucks.. but on the other hand.. it could be worse.
     
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    wait, wait - Those weren't posted by botboy. He has 1 post and it's not a recipe.

    In fact that may be bkkdaytrader's program (which I haven't seen in while, but I DID give permission for MY stuff long ago, on a different forum). I am going to assume that's the case. If so, any of my stuff there was with permission and I have no right to complain.

    But I can speak only for ME.
     
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    hmm.......

    *taps foot.. @bkkdaytrader

    'splain.. in fact, I remember you had liked one of my recipes here.. :oops:

    and the funny is... 12 members.. and....
    this all started in July of this year.. havent run across any "couple years ago" posts..
     
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    I was just saying he linked it over on Reddit. I don't know if he posted any recipes or not.
     
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    hahaha!! ut oh!! :rolleyes: damn... *shakes head more..

    ima get dizzy after a while on this.. :p
     
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    Yeah that's BK's site, has nothing to do with me. He informed me via PM last night that he had posted some of my recipes up there as well (after he posted in this thread).

    I linked that site to reddit as I saw that you could actually search by multiple ingredients which was cool to me. BK mentioned here that you could do it and my neighbor about 5 minutes before that had asked me for something with strawberry and banana in it. Was going to try to find something reasonable there but didn't find anything anyways.

    Wound up just throwing together something like:

    7% TFA Banana Cream
    8% TFA Strawberry

    Low on lots of flavors until stuff comes in next week ;-(
     
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    Only 12 members so far. Not popular yet. Maybe people are just looking and not joining. Who knows.
     
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    No worries at all Bill. I had posted 5 of my ultra close to completed favorites actually back like 2 weeks ago (the 12th through the 14th). It's all good though. I have VAPED a TON of others peoples recipes. Would never consider selling them as exact recipes or even variations of said recipe without discussing with the creator and for the most part, I enjoy making my own random creations. It's a great way to give my mind ideas on how certain flavors play together that I sometimes might have realized before. I remember the first time I vaped Blueberry and Pomegranate together and it was eye opening to me.

    Vaped something like that blue pom like 4-5 months ago, last night out of boredom I threw together banana cream + blueberry + pomegranate and a couple other drops of some stuff. Turned out really unique. Still not sure if I like it or not (been vaping it all day though) LOL. I diy cause I like to tinker but I'm not very good with my hands. I also enjoy researching stuff, browsing forums, and vaping. It's obviously the perfect hobby for me. Not launching a juice line trying to make millions, launching a juice line to share MY creations with the world (hopefully some people actually like them too!). lol
     
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    I created an account last night, then spent about 10 more minutes on there and realized there wasn't much there after my first post recommending using Citric Acid in the 'nana cream clone.
     
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    ok.. where did my zen go?:oops:
     
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    Hey Everyone--I posted earlier that I had re-posted recipes from here and elsewhere to my website. It looks like some of the recipes I got from reddit were actually created by people from here--thats the fault of the reddit poster for not giving credit to the original poster.. I can either remove them or change the attribution to the actual creator but I need to know which ones they are. Again anyone not wanting their recipes re posted please let me know..

    I only got the mixing bug a couple months ago and I was spending way too much time searching the web for recipes. So I decided to try to consolidate my findings into one location where people like me can find recipes to try out. Lots of recipes.It has been a great learning experience for me any only now am I starting to create my own juices--with mixed results. So I can type in the search bar i.e strawberry+pear+cream and get all the recipes that have those ingredients and at least get an idea of how other people use these flavors etc... Without a big database it just would not really have much value...

    As far as asking for permission.. yes is would be common courtesy to do so but would also be an administrative nightmare trying to keep track of hundreds of posters over multiple websites. I have followed industry standards and given credit where credit is due and thats the best I can do. If I get too much flak over this I will just make the site exclusive only to myself so that no one else can see the actual recipes. The site cost me about 50$ per year and its worth it to me to keep it cause I like the format and the ability to search for recipes.

    Again if you dan't want your recipes reposted please let me know--I will remove it--unfortunately it will end up on someones elses site anyway--maybe without attribution.
     
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    I've never posted here but I've been reading a lot by you guys and I've learned a lot from this forum. I just wanted to chime in to say that I only discovered this site after posting on reddit asking for tips on coming up with a good peanut butter mix. Botboy responded with a direct link to HIC's PB thread. Read the whole thing and have been utilizing things I've learned here ever since. I don't know him by any means but I thought it might count for something. Thanks y'all!
     
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    Seems like this is now a lesson learned. I really hope that this won't deter people from continuing to share. I am learning so much from the amazing recipes posted here. Thanks to all that have shared and those that share in the future. Eventually I will come up with something worthy of sharing. :)
     
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    i think, since you took the time to copy and paste, and give credit to what you wanted, you can do that for the rest.. admin nightmare or not, your fingers snagged, i know a bunch of mine.. but yet no credit but save 2.. while i see a bunch with credit from HIC and others.. had your site not had any credits at all.. no sweat.. but you added the credits.. not me.. i am not even a member of your site.. even had you dropped me a note here, it wouldn't have bugged me so much, i might have even liked it that you thought enough to ask.. but since, when i even had to called you out on it.. and wrote i remembered you even liking one of mine here.. and no nice note.. hmm..

    I should not have to point out my recipes on your site i do not belong to.
    your site is not!!! that big yet and there are really only a few that lack..
    I am sure you are man enough to get the job done.. ;)

    yes, people will share recipes without giving credit.. and that is fine.. yes you can close off your site..
    but you have or had 12 members.. your site will grow.. there is also a complaint i can file for your host..
    see, I can respond just like the manner you just did, and guess what..
    I do not like having to post this like this.. but you went there.

    i dont want to be the bad Smoky here.. I like to share..
    I like to see what others think of mine..
    or change and improve.. it's just a nice thought..

    I do have over 5 gigs of recipes and yes i can be nice and share them..
    but with actions i see.. makes me really not want to.. when others take advantage.

    i knew even before sharing my recipes here.. just like with fb and ecf, my recipes have all ready gone around the world..
    happy that some do enjoy them..
    but when things like this are brought to everyone's attention..
    just stop for a moment and think how people will take a post like this.

    it makes me want to stop once again.. so thanks for making me feel this way. :)
     
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    Hey Smoky

    Sorry I must have misunderstood or not comprehended fully your earlier post. and I sort of missed being "called out" on anything I didn't know that there are recipes of of yours on my site without proper credit. The problem is that some recipes I copied way back before I had the site and I did not record where I got it from. So when I re-posted it days or weeks later I had no idea and could not remember where I got it form. I think Ill just remove all the recipes that don't give any credit because I still won't know how to credit them.

    Yes I "liked" one of your posts--. I liked it cause It seemed like something I would like to try but I don't have all the flavors. :( Flavors are hard to get here. I will get around to trying out your recipes one day and then I will comment on it--I expect to really enjoy them cause I sense that you are a really good juice maker.

    Take care
     
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    @bkkdaytrader.. a simple google with the recipe will normally pull it up..
    all 1000 versions :D from all over the world, in english.. (unless you choose another language)

    however, all of this is mute.. I hope you get a chance to try them.. and enjoy them.. ;)
     
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    HAHAH -- Ill try the google search --but i might find the same recipes posted on several sites and I wont know who was the original creator...
     
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    roflmao so name them all :p

    *dies laughin.. :D

    check your "conversation" bk.. and let me know.. ;)
     
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    The INTERNET was founded on the premise of information sharing if you do not want it shared get a recipe site and charge so atleast you are getting
    your monies worth... I am not saying this lightly I have felt the same way about things but in all honesty for your owns sake do not take it personally. If they are your secret formula and you posted it on a forum its up for grabs.. Thats just the way it it.... Sad but true and you are right does not make it right ;)
    I saw someone above say they have 5 gigs of recipes well monopolize on it.. start a site... But if anyone thinks that anyones recipe is safe its not I have had mine copied from Facebook all over thats why I just do not post anymore.. And No I am not interested in starting a recipe site.. Just thoughts guys no condemnation meant ..
     
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    honestly.. that would be me, @MrScaryZ :D

    however.. I have run too many sites, and yes I am all familiar with snatch and grab, hack and giggle, and all sorts of things..
    My better half and I were talking on this tonight.. I keep all my private recipes just that.. private.. they do not see the light of the web..
    however it tickles me too.. to go to yet another site, and see my stuff there.. be it an ejuice recipe, an image or even a code snippet..

    it happens..

    but.. if anyone can learn from it, the better..

    monopolize the fact I have a shiton of recipes? naw.. thats just not like me.. ;)
    but it can be for others.. thing is.. if one takes their time and gets to know what flavors one has..
    then that person holds everything in their own hands.. they wont need but the basic recipe to get them started.

    and yes fb to ecf etc.. gota give love to all the snaggers ;)

    i share for the sake of spreading happiness..
    I stopped the omg my recipes got shared so I will never share again bit..
    the moment Joe opened this site.. :)
    but i share simple recipes..

    I dont think too many could handle a 31 flavored recipe.. at least right now :p
     
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    Yes I have been in computing way to long and at times I do not always show the emotion via Text. When I first started DIY only a month after I stopped smoking I was only kinda confused but once I got a grasp shared and shared mostly on FB only because I despise ECF for many reasons another story others starting taking my recipes editing the document changing to their name I am the first guy to share knowledge, recipes, even my vape gear with others but one thing I think that this brings up is the sharing of ideas but how do we limit access.. This goes all the way back to the Gulf War I was almost done with College in Computer Science and the IRC had started and the first tasks were to be able to lock rooms so those people allowed in those rooms could share ideas all trusted people... In time though as with anything bad apples ruined this... Its a sad scenario because as I look back to the way the INTERNET was I remember not having a web browser we used Gopher and Veronica and the Newsgroups were not filled with porn... Today it is not better it has gotten worse IMHO... :) I would share with everyone that has taken interest in this thread because everyone seems to be very passionate another thing lacking. :) Just some thoughts before I go on vacation Monday for a month ....
     
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    This has been an interesting read to say the least. I didnt know this conversation had been going on here in a separate thread other than our conversations on the FA thread the other day. It made me want to post my thoughts.

    @Botboy141, I will have to commend you for coming here and taking the corrective actions that you have made. You didnt have to. You could have just left and remained a lurker and kept learning. I think that speaks alot for your character after you read the some of the stinging posts about what you did by some of us, including myself.

    Ive seen a couple of my posted recipies from ECF get bottled and sold locally. Im not sure how that makes me feel, but Ive been a bit gunshy as to posting things up on a forum ever since. The funny thing is, now that I have become part of this FA family, my eyes have been opened so wide at the posabilities and Ive grown by leaps and bounds by the likes of HIC, Wllmc, Smokey, Byron, Cramptholomew, Huck, Hermit, Amanda, Dwnin TN...just to name a few. Ive learned that my old recipies were just average at best. I kind of chuckle now that they are selling a couple of my creations as their original 'Great juice". I wouldnt even make a bottle of that old shit for myself any more...Lol.

    I guess Im sayijng that I just hope these great mixers will still keep posting their great recipies and helpfull hints for my own betterment. Im glad you have linked the recipies back here as well so we will grow and who knows, maybe there will be others that will turn out to be master mixers like we have here and contribute as well.

    Everyone has a role to play in the FA forums. My part is the often stupid questions I ask...when it gets answered, Everybody learns !! :D

    I'll be on the Lido deck vaping away...... drinks are on me !!!
     
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    Thank you for this. As I said several times before, I meant no harm, just didn't think through what I was doing. Looking back I should have absolutely asked permission ahead of time and the response most likely would have been, it's fine to post them, but please make sure credit is properly given (or just post the link).

    I'm just glad that it was a mistake that I was able to remedy and that no irreparable harm was done.
     
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    huhhhhhh??? Don't wanna sound like an "Idiot" but I have no idea what any of that is.... I thought I was perdy internet savvy too....lol :eek::(
     
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    i liked to collect punch cards :)
     
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    Need to appreciate www history or be over 40.
     
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    HIC, I love the recipes you put on here. I'm hoping the people that copy and paste do NOT mess up the fact of you posting your recipes. I have been making my own juices for lil while and when I want to vape something that I KNOW will be great, I look at your recipes. Thank you for your time and wisdom from one vaper to another, my hat is off to you!
     
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    Hey guys/girls! I am only this far in reading this thread! HIC all I can say to you and Everyone else is thank you! We all know the ways of the world and it is what it is! But despite knowing this and having this happen to you, you still see the benefit to those who are decent people wanting to learn and sharing such great advice & experience. So for that I say a heartfelt thank you to each and everyone of you! I truly believe we touch others wether we know it or not! A simple smile as you walk on by can brightens one's day or a scowl cloud one's day! Thank you for my SMILE!
     
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    Only been thru 5 pages so far. So what is to stop them? Us. Other members that speak up when we see someone else's work reposted without permission.
     
  46. Cramptholomew

    Cramptholomew Silver Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    Hey @HeadInClouds, I think a pm to Daath at ECF is in order...
     
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    Wow, anything for a buck eh? :(

    I don't think I want anything to do with his calculator anymore.
     
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    HeadInClouds Platinum Contributor Member For 3 Years ECF Refugee Unlisted Vendor Vape Media

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    thanks, @Artemis and @Cramptholomew .

    Daath has ignored my requests here, so I went over to ecf and replied to his (latest) repost of a recipe of mine. I asked again for him to remove the account on his calculator that he made with my name. Of course I asked him to remove my recipe from ecf. I mean REALLY?! Posting my recipe on ecf, after I intentionally removed it there and left a bread-crumb trail to find it on VU?

    I had to put on my good-manners hat, avoid mentioning VU, and avoid off-color remarks.:rolleyes: I'd forgotten that restrained atmosphere over there.
     
  49. Cramptholomew

    Cramptholomew Silver Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    @HeadInClouds, Daath was banned here. That's why I pm'd the other week on ECF.
     
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