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With all the negative history behind biased studies and scare mongering funded by large tobacco companies, it seems they are changing their stance due to massive growth potential in the vaping market.

Whilst this is not news to anyone, it got me thinking how long will it be before they start pushing out the little guys which lets face it has largely occurred already due to other corporations and cheaper alternatives from oversees, however I’m talking about the hostile/non hostile take overs and lobbying of the government to enact legislation only they with their deep pockets can absorb in order to force the market in a certain direction.

On this note I wonder how many of their products released to date are focused on pod type systems and ways to bind vapers switching to kick one addiction, only to replace that dependancy on a business model created around disposable or proprietary systems where you have to keep returning to use their product...lobbying centred around this area I suspect will be a large focus of their activity.

So wanted to create a watch hopefully our community will contribute towards in the pursuit of keeping tabs of the goings on of these companies i.e. who they own, who they knocked off the playing field along the way and legislation they are trying to push through good or bad.
 
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British American Tobacco

Active Brands

Glo (heat not burn tech) uses Neosticks
Vype
Vuse
VIP
10 Motives (UK)
Chic (Poland)
Vapestick (e-liquid and e-cigs)
ECOVape / RIZe (e-liquid)
DirectVapor
Ecig.com (now redirects to DirectVapor)
VaporFi
South Beach Smoke
VaporTide
Riptide
Eversmoke
DirectCBD
Primal (hemp wraps)
VaporBeast


Discontinued Brands
ECOpure (e-liquid)
Intellicigs
E-Voke (a.k.a Nicadex)
Actistix Nicotine Free E-Cigarettes
Voke (Nicotine Inhaler)

Subsidiaries
Nicoventures Holdings Ltd.
Nicovations Ltd.
Must Have Ltd.
The Vapestick Group Ltd.
CN Creative Ltd.
Turning Point Brands
International Vapor Group Inc.
Nu-X Ventures

Acquisitions

CN Creative (Sold by Nerudia to BAT at which point NHS cut ties)
Reynolds America inc (Big Tobacco who previously acquired Lorriland)
Twisp (Retail South Africa)
Invested in China Materialia Venture Captial fund (sourcing new tech in China)

Partnerships
RIZeVapor
Innokin

Associated Lobby Groups

Altria & Phillip Morris International (Joint Venture)


Brands
IQOS - heat not burn technology (Marlboro Heatstick)
MarkTen (Solaris in Israel & Spain)
Vivid
Nicocig
Green Smoke
Mesh
Steem
Juul (stake in)

Subsidiaries
Nu Mark LLC (Retail)
Phillip Morris USA
John Middleton Inc.
US Smokeless Tobacco


Aquisitions
Nicocigs (bought to enter UK market)
Avail Vapor LLC (retail)
Phillip Morris International was a spin off in its own right, however the other subsidiaries under PM were merged under Altria the new Parent company.
35% stake in Juul (see earlier history with Japan Tobacco).

Imperial Tobacco Plc

Brands

Blu E-Cigs
MyBlu
Dragonite (owns Hon Liks Global Patent Portfolio)
Nerudia - E-liquid
Cosmic Fog - E-Liquid (unknown stake)
Nixx (closed pod)
Pulze (heat not burn technology)

Subsidiaries
Fontem Ventures
Fontem International GmbH
Logista (distribution Europe)


Acquisitions
Nerudia (worlds largest nicotine manufacturer e-juice)
My.Von.Earl (rebranded to MyBlu)
Aquired Hon Liks global patent portfolio for electronic cigarettes from Dragonite in 2013

Japan Tobacco International

Brands

Logic
E-lites
Ploom Model2 (heat not burn tech)

Subsidiaries
Emerging Products Holding Bv
Zandera Ltd.


Acquisitions
Buys Intellectual Property Rights from Ploom Inc for the Model2....Ploom buys out JTI stake with the money and renames to Pax Labs makers of Juul who later split into two ..Juul Labs was formed


Huabao International Holdings (main holdings in tobacco)

Brands

V2 Cigs
V2Pro (OCB vap in Europe believe its discontinued)
Vapour2 UK
Vapor Couture
Ace High (Electonic Cigar)
Ranch Hand (Cigalikes)
Bull Smoke Flavors (E-Liquid)

Subsidiaries
VMR Products LLC (invested in)
Bull Smokes Electronic Cigarette (VMR Subsidiary)
1111 EC Services ltd


Acquisitions



Standard Diversified Inc. (owns Turning Point Brands - chewing tobacco)

Brands

VaporShark (high end vaping gear)
Zig Zag (E-Cigs & Juice)
Vapor Beast (retail/wholesale/distro)


Subsidiaries

Intrepid Brands LLC
Vapor Supply LLC
The Hand Media Ltd.
Ohmicron Corp.
North Atlantic Trading Company Inc.

Acquisitions

Turning Point Brands (subsidiaries listed are theirs)
 
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Saved to continue listings above...

While I’m at it healthcare/pharma are at it as well if need be I’ll edit the title to include pharma at some point

Cinven & Bain Capital (Holding Firms)

Brands
Socialites (sold in Boots)

Subsidiaries
Stada UK holdings ltd

Acquisitions

They jointly take a 63% stake, taking control of Stada Arzneimittel AG in Aug 2017
 
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Good topic. I think you are right in believing that the tobacco companies will try to push the vaping community into proprietary pod systems. I do own a couple of pod systems and while they are convenient for out and about runs and those times when you just need a quick fix, they would never replace my other gear. My local gas/convenience store chain has upped their Juul and Myblue inventories recently. I can buy replacement pods from them at a cheaper price than I can even find online now. There’s potential for good and bad there. Good in pods replacing combustibles and improving health, bad in a market dominated by a few where innovation and improvements are slow or stagnant.
It’s certainly something to keep an eye on.


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Good topic. I think you are right in believing that the tobacco companies will try to push the vaping community into proprietary pod systems. I do own a couple of pod systems and while they are convenient for out and about runs and those times when you just need a quick fix, they would never replace my other gear. My local gas/convenience store chain has upped their Juul and Myblue inventories recently. I can buy replacement pods from them at a cheaper price than I can even find online now. There’s potential for good and bad there. Good in pods replacing combustibles and improving health, bad in a market dominated by a few where innovation and improvements are slow or stagnant.
It’s certainly something to keep an eye on.


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Thanks Papa :cheers: hopefully through this thread we can keep the community apprised of the goings on so at least people can make informed decisions knowing who’s behind those products and pick out forces for good and bad in their circles

I for one can see a niche for pod systems certainly ....at the end of the day anything to get people of the stinkies is a good thing, but I hope I never have that as the only option where regulation and taxation force us down a pidgeon hole with this lot

To the underground, DIY and free choice :vino:
 

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This is very well researched Kingpin, (hat tip) and look forward to watching this thread. @5150sick posted a thread a while back about some of the wonderful ingredients that were making their way into proprietary systems from big tobacco, what they are producing is not far off from what they have been producing. Now it is just liquid rat poison that tastes better.
 

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When Altria came out with the Mark Ten XL the Manager at a 7-11 I was plowing snow for gave me one and when I liked it he gave me a tome of coupons that I got them for $1 and the Sales Tax. I probably used them for a year before I went to a MOD and tank. They still send me coupons in the mail so I just pass them on trying to get friends to quit the stinky's
 

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This is very well researched Kingpin, (hat tip) and look forward to watching this thread. @5150sick posted a thread a while back about some of the wonderful ingredients that were making their way into proprietary systems from big tobacco, what they are producing is not far off from what they have been producing. Now it is just liquid rat poison that tastes better.

Thanks jwill I might not get everything right above as I’m updating on the go if you see anything I’ve missed recorded incorrectly or need to add let me know ...5150 is our news anchor for the mod team haha, hoping he’ll have loads to add in this space as well as he monitors government areas much closer than I
 

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When Altria came out with the Mark Ten XL the Manager at a 7-11 I was plowing snow for gave me one and when I liked it he gave me a tome of coupons that I got them for $1 and the Sales Tax. I probably used them for a year before I went to a MOD and tank. They still send me coupons in the mail so I just pass them on trying to get friends to quit the stinky's

Found it interesting to learn Altria and Phillip Morris are sharing R&D and using each other to cast their reach globally ...specifically Altria was being used to commercialise the heat not burn tech IQOS in America

Japanese tobacco are taking a big hit being late to the market with Ploom and are struggling with market penetration now, IQOS and Glo have taken off in Japan I think I read somewhere 14% of smokers have switched to heat not burn tech over there not sure if that figure is accurate though ...not really landed here yet in fact not sure what the forum stance is on that at the moment (need to check with leadership)

Still of all the research I’ve done I’ve not seen a single system that is not pod or cigalike so far further feeding my belief these guys are the fox in the hen house with vaping
 

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Found it interesting to learn Altria and Phillip Morris are sharing R&D and using each other to cast their reach globally ...specifically Altria was being used to commercialise the heat not burn tech IQOS in America

Japanese tobacco are taking a big hit being late to the market with Ploom and are struggling with market penetration now, IQOS and Glo have taken off in Japan I think I read somewhere 14% of smokers have switched to heat not burn tech over there not sure if that figure is accurate though ...not really landed here yet in fact not sure what the forum stance is on that at the moment (need to check with leadership)

Still of all the research I’ve done I’ve not seen a single system that is not pod or cigalike so far further feeding my belief these guys are the fox in the hen house with vaping

Scratch that ...IQOS has seen a 30% slowing down in sales In Japan.... shit tech after all

Japanese Tobacco massively undercut them with the Ploom selling it at half the price
 
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Thank you, @KingPin! for all of this. I am all about whatever it takes to quit the smokes, but definitely anti forcing us all to use their pod systems. It’s was only a matter of time before big tobacco laced the pod systems with the same crap that got us all hooked on cigs.
 

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Great updates to a topic kinda lost since the FDA in the US passed the deeming regs two years ago

It was widely speculated (with real back up evidence) that BT was going try to dominate vaping with proprietary pods systems - and a number of big players in the US vaping scene were getting in on the action

That must have been some painstaking research KP - big props
 

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Great updates to a topic kinda lost since the FDA in the US passed the deeming regs two years ago

It was widely speculated (with real back up evidence) that BT was going try to dominate vaping with proprietary pods systems - and a number of big players in the US vaping scene were getting in on the action

That must have been some painstaking research KP - big props

The worst part is the hidden subsidiaries :blech: they love purchasing other companies perhaps to further distance themselves from it or remove competition...just to confuse things further they sell subsidiaries between themselves haha

...British American Tobacco (BAT) has stated it wants to double its revenue in vaping this fiscal year so we’ll see how that pans out

Still I got a list of companies I want to look into now ...feels like I’ve just scratched at the surface even if they don’t wholly own bet they invest in some of this lot :eek:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...les-registration/list-of-registered-retailers

Found just one E-Juice company so far (cosmic fog) there will be others I’m sure, they are a little harder to pick through.

Nerudia is the other big name on that list they are the largest nicotine manufacturer in the world - wanna know a bit more about where their nic ends up, influence then reaches far and wide
 

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Nerudia is the other big name on that list they are the largest nicotine manufacturer in the world - wanna know a bit more about where their nic ends up, influence then reaches far and wide

Thats going to be fun. From their website:
Confidentiality is our top product.
 

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I know one thing ain’t no one taking my Squonk away from me ...Reasonable hire rates too

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Yeah sure come get it ...it’s in the back pocket :giggle:
 

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ECOpure is one e-liquid manufactured by them. It is mentioned in this article from the Guardian in 2015. I have never heard of them but it appears to exist in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/01/planet-of-the-vapes-inside-nicotine-megafactory

Nice thread to tug on mate I’ve tracked them down!

Ok Nerudia created EcoPure however it was actually registered under the name intellecig who is actually owned by CN Creative limited

https://trademarks.justia.com/856/96/intellicig-85696734.html

Notice I listed that last name earlier under British American Tobacco ....Nerudia sold it to BAT while it was pending application rights so I’m taking from this here this is the US trading partner and intellicig is another brand name i need to add to the list

http://www.intellicig-usa.com/aboutus.asp
 
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Nince thread to tug on mate I’ve tracked them down!

Ok Nerudia created EcoPure however it was actually registered under the name intellecig who is actually owned by CN Creative limited

https://trademarks.justia.com/856/96/intellicig-85696734.html

Notice I listed that last name earlier under British American Tobacco ....Nerudia sold it to BAT while it was pending application rights so I’m taking from this here this is the US trading partner and intellicig is another brand name i need to add to the list

http://www.intellicig-usa.com/aboutus.asp

Then you can go ahead and add their house brand Rize eliquid to the list of juices as well.
 

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You can add Turning Point Brands (28% of Chewing Tobacco Market) which qualifies as big tobacco IMO. They also own zigzag and the following e-cig brands.

- Vapor Beast
- Vapor Shark
- V2
- Zig Zag E Cigs (had no clue this existed)

Source-
http://www.turningpointbrands.com/our-business

Wow Vapor shark!? That’s a deep rabbit hole, though I think they have a strategic partnership with them rather than own them so I’ll add it like that for the minute - first non pod/cigalike business listed

V2... that’s interesting because it’s owned by VMR Products LLC who I listed under Huabao International Holdings as they have a 51% share

http://www.hbglobal.com/en/index.php?m=Article&a=show&id=54

Do Huabao have stock in turning point brands too I wonder?...I do know they have a shit ton of subsidiaries many include flavour companies which need delving into

We just need to rule out that turning point brands is the wholly owned parent company before I list them
 

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I honestly don't blame them, imagine if someone came out with a 50,000 watt thorium generator, it cost you 3000$ to purchase it but the thorium only needed replaced every 20 years, hydro companies would be pissed, gasoline industry would be pissed hell battery manufacturers would be pissed.

This is exactly what is happening to the Tobacco Industry, it used to cost me 7-9k per year to smoke and now that I diy it costs me about 250$ a year to vape as I am. Of course they'd want to force pod systems on us, bet their goal is 1 pod is equivalent to 1 pack and have them cost the same.
 

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You are correct on V2, this is distribution alliance between the two. Turning Point definitely owns Zig Zag. Interesting reads how that company changed hands through the last few decades.
 

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Look up the VTA (Vapor Technology Association) and you will see a lot of the names listed in OP

http://vaportechnology.org/leadership/

They are the ones backing the FDA lawsuit along with Nicopure (Halo)

Edit: This is interesting. These two weren't on the board last time I checked about 2 or 3 months ago

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Also Blu bought out von erl and rebranded it to MyBlu

They've were giving them away for $1 two different times in the last couple months.

The device doesn't cost them shit anyway, everyone knows most of the money is in the juice/pods

Most vapers aren't like us.

They buy one pod device or juul and stick with it just like they stuck with Marlboro or Newport.
That's what the tobacco companies are banking on for sure

They HAD the advantage (shelf space) until Juul outsmarted them (nic salt).

Do you think the media (and crooked politicians) got the "demonize juul" memo from big tobacco recently?

When everyone plies on to Juul like that you know BT is scared.
 

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An archive shot from Sept 2016.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160924070104/http://vaportechnology.org/leadership/

Tully was the shady character of the bunch.

So it's good that he's gone now.

He is the one with the patent on tobacco free nic (Next Gen Labs) that was trying to make disposable pod systems that wouldn't be covered by deeming since there is no tobacco in the nicotine and the device only worked with next gen nic.

So in other words he was going to have the only product allowed on the market (by a technicality) after FDA banned all the other ones.


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I honestly don't blame them,

it used to cost me 7-9k per year to smoke and now that I diy it costs me about 250$ a year to vape as I am

When you’re back to paying this sort of money would you say the same in your opening?
 

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Cool Infographic on this. There is a brand also owned by big pharma.

https://www.gosmokefree.co.uk/latest-news/who-owns-all-the-vaping-brands-infographic/

Think I’ve already mapped the stuff from this one good source though for sure

Also updated the listing page with turning point brands info ...does vaporbeast make juice as well?

We need to look into these guys. They make juice for big tobacco according to this article.

https://www.inc.com/profile/solace-technologies

https://solacevapor.com/

Putting this here so I remember ....interesting read and the start of tugging on this thread ...seems at this stage they are independent but big tobacco are interested in their open refillable salt nic model as apposed to the closed pod system offered by Juul which will be a worthy rival market...they could well have been, or about to be sucked up, at which point I’ll list them (we need to investigate further or keep tabs)

(They sell thier liquid under two brands Solace and Salty Man)

https://www.inc.com/will-yakowicz/30-under-30-2018-solace-technologies.html

Also found these earlier ...not necessarily interesting other than he who controls the flow of traffic has ability to damage brand rep with supply chain constraints, I recognise some in that list wanna see who owns all the others

https://vapingdaily.com/best-vaping-wholesale/
 
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Look up the VTA (Vapor Technology Association) and you will see a lot of the names listed in OP

http://vaportechnology.org/leadership/

They are the ones backing the FDA lawsuit along with Nicopure (Halo)

Edit: This is interesting. These two weren't on the board last time I checked about 2 or 3 months ago

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Do you know who this lot are associated with BT wise mate? Sounds like I need to add another tab under each relating to associated lobby groups
 

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Also Blu bought out von erl and rebranded it to MyBlu

They've were giving them away for $1 two different times in the last couple months.

The device doesn't cost them shit anyway, everyone knows most of the money is in the juice/pods

Most vapers aren't like us.

They buy one pod device or juul and stick with it just like they stuck with Marlboro or Newport.
That's what the tobacco companies are banking on for sure

They HAD the advantage (shelf space) until Juul outsmarted them (nic salt).

Do you think the media (and crooked politicians) got the "demonize juul" memo from big tobacco recently?

When everyone plies on to Juul like that you know BT is scared.

Thanks mate ...now added under imperial Tobacco :cheers:

https://www.electrictobacconist.com/blog/2018/02/imperial-tobacco-buys-von-erl-and-develops-my-blu/
 

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Look up the VTA (Vapor Technology Association) and you will see a lot of the names listed in OP

http://vaportechnology.org/leadership/

They are the ones backing the FDA lawsuit along with Nicopure (Halo)

Edit: This is interesting. These two weren't on the board last time I checked about 2 or 3 months ago

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We need to go through each of these companies thoroughly. This one- https://www.eliquitech.com/news
has a survival guide, which reads as if they are banking on regulation to corner the e-liquid manufacturing market ( they have built a manufacturing facility designed for this). They are wholly owned by https://tobaccotech.com who exports tobacco and flavors for Big Tobacco.

In fact several of the large ISO certified labs read openly as if they are banking on FDA regulation to force liquid manufacturers to use them for manufacturing. This is some dirty business.
 

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E Alternative Solutions is a sister company to Swisher International, the worlds largest cigar manufacturer.
They do branding for the vape industry so no telling who all uses them but they do have their own brands-
- Cue Vapor System
- Liquid Soul Vapor
- Amaranth Series Liquid

Swisher international owns the following Vape Products-
- e-swisher e-cigars and e-cigarettes (defunct, not currently in production)



Sources-
http://vaportechnology.org/leadership/
https://cstoredecisions.com/2018/02/06/e-alternative-solutions-llc/
http://www.ealternativesolutions.com/
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/me...ny-enter-e-cigarette-and-tobacco-vapor-market
 

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Business insider UK meets with BATs David O’Reilly (Director of R&D)

https://amp.uk.businessinsider.com/bat-vaping-tobacco-heating-vype-disruption-innovation-tech-2017-4

Headlines ...

The company is in a development arms race. Philip Morris International, a Big Tobacco rival known for Marlboros, has spent over $3 billion on next-generation tobacco product

"It's a core part of our innovation strategy, that we fail early, fail fast, and fail cheaply," Dr. O'Reilly says. The mantra of "fail fast"

Becoming a next generation tobacco player means more than just mastering the technology, it also means figuring out how to make sexy tech

My personal favourite ...coming from tobacco

"In the 20th century, it's estimated that 100 million people died prematurely from cigarette smoking," he says. "In the 21st century, it's predicted to be 1 billion. There are 1 billion lives at stake”
 

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Business insider UK meets with BATs David O’Reilly (Director of R&D)

https://amp.uk.businessinsider.com/bat-vaping-tobacco-heating-vype-disruption-innovation-tech-2017-4

Headlines ...

The company is in a development arms race. Philip Morris International, a Big Tobacco rival known for Marlboros, has spent over $3 billion on next-generation tobacco product

"It's a core part of our innovation strategy, that we fail early, fail fast, and fail cheaply," Dr. O'Reilly says. The mantra of "fail fast"

Becoming a next generation tobacco player means more than just mastering the technology, it also means figuring out how to make sexy tech

My personal favourite ...coming from tobacco

"In the 20th century, it's estimated that 100 million people died prematurely from cigarette smoking," he says. "In the 21st century, it's predicted to be 1 billion. There are 1 billion lives at stake”
:giggle::giggle::giggle:Like they somehow had nothing to do with it! Lol!
 

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