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I wouldn't. It has "natural flavors" and colouring. Shop around at BullCity flavors. The ones we use for mixing are artificial flavors suspended in PG (mostly). I'm not a caramel gurru but I've had some good ones. Search for caramel, and dulce de leche.
 

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I would not use it either.
Notice that water is first ingredient and alcohol is third ingredient.
Makes pretty bad vape.
I tried similar stuff years ago when I first started vaping. Pretty bad vape...

the flavorings from Bull City Flavors tastes much better and goes farther for less money.
And less health concern possibilities....
 
Personally I would avoid anything that has PG in it. That can turn into formaldehyde in your lungs. While it seems hard to find it without PG...it is possible.
 

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I'll let someone else take this one..
LMAO

Personally I would avoid anything that has PG in it. That can turn into formaldehyde in your lungs. While it seems hard to find it without PG...it is possible.
STFU

OP, read this
https://www.churnmag.com/news/1942-...-health-benefits-of-inhaled-propylene-glycol/

Edit: this will be my only reply. You're old enough to do your own research and i'm not interesting in arguing with ignorant people. I do that enough at work.
 

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Vaping VG?

OMG! you are vaping rectal suppositories for constipation

LMAO

I figured as long as we were on the topic of the absurd.

Yes PG is used for non toxic antifreeze in RV water systems and such.
And Yes VG is used in rectal suppositories.
Alcohol was used for antifreeze before other more modern substances.
Drink beer? You are drinking antifreeze :)
 
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I tried it.. and it is disgusting. Besides, you will be wanting more than 1 flavor. I use Dashvapes.ca because they give free shipping on orders over $35. Canadian. They ship fast once order is paid for and reply quickly (weekdays) for support.
Here is an example recipe called Bust a Nut...

Nicotine juice 100 mg (100% VG)
9.00
198
3.00

PG dilutant
15.00
330
5.00

VG dilutant
216.00
4752
72.00

Total base
240
5280
80

Bavarian Cream (FW)
9.00
198
3.00

Butter Pecan (FW)
12.00
264
4.00

Hazelnut (FW)
21.00
462
7.00

Sweet Cream (FW)
15.00
330
5.00

Sweetener (Sucralose) (FW)
3.00
66
1.00

Totals
300
6600
100

I just made 300ml (which is the amount in this recipe, but you can scale it down)
I suggest buying at least 60ml hazelnut and 60ml barvarian cream as you will use a lot of those. You will find others as you build your favorite recipe list.. see
http://e-liquid-recipes.com (also has a recipe building tool to help with flavor % when making your own creation.)
https://www.vapr.com.au/pages/nicotine-mixing-calculator

PS... I used to spend at LEAST $35 at my local B&M on premade juice. Now I just spend the $35 on flavoring, pg/vg nic.. etc and build my flavor cache a bit at a time.
 

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the flavorings from Bull City Flavors tastes much better and goes farther for less money.
And less health concern possibilities....

I'll be a third vote for Bull City Flavors. Something I've noticed as a general precaution, steer away from flavorings that are oil based, peppermint oil, clove oil, vanilla oil and so on. Read/heard these are more purified extracts and the oil, well not sure exactly if its from a plant, or extra oil added in extraction Not sure the manufactures are legally obliged to label it either. Some consumer group ought to like start raising cane over that too, maybe. It's something what effects not only vapers but would imagine gourmets, bakers.

Although this is probably one of those 'don't care" :deadhorse:.

Yes the flavorings will be labeled such and such oil, but there's no further info other than that on the labeling. Oil based seems likely to be more causal of lipid pneumonia. This where liquid of any kind sticks to bronchioles effectively blocking oxygen intake. The oil being thicker, or somehow more viscosity than even VG in some cases this to me seems to ring with some truth & not merely shitty fear porn.

There again I'll leave that in the realm of YMMV & Standard Disclaimers, I'm Not Lawyer/Doctor. Can honestly say beyond a quick glancing at a brief nugget of an article, I've not researched oil based flavors. Not had a desire to use them in any case, ergo no desire to look anything up further. I like finding VG based flavorings if possible, just simply enjoy max VG in vaping. Will use PG based flavors, or get them as trader cash to wrangle VG based off a mate if possible.

"Ha, got ya 60 ml of PG banana. I know you're sitting on some VG cherry, let's see about a swap."

Yes buy flavors from Bull City Flavors. You might also want to try out ECBlends which seems to wholesale a lot for the major "flavor houses", as well as their own line. Know they had 5ml samples of juices for around $2.50 USD, most flavorings I saw back then were $4 - $7 for 10 - 39 ml bottles. I'm sure they had larger sizes and prices going higher to match. They did though run a "low cost" zone to let folks "dabble" get stuff affordable.
 
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STFU

OP, read this
Link removed CBD topics only

Edit: this will be my only reply. You're old enough to do your own research and i'm not interesting in arguing with ignorant people. I do that enough at work.

Very rude! How about a more current study of this. Cause I spent 3 weeks researching this before I started anything. Smoke shops that sell CBD vape oil can tell you this about PG. So let me give you something more up to date to read.

Here
 
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Vape shops that sell CBD vape oil?
Yep experts ;)
There are SOME knowlegable employees in Vape Shops.
But not most imho.
I prefer sources like The Royal College of Physicians and such regarding vaping safety.
Not some kid working at a vape shop.
 
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Very rude! How about a more current study of this. Cause I spent 3 weeks researching this before I started anything. Smoke shops that sell CBD vape oil can tell you this about PG. So let me give you something more up to date to read.

First https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threads/glycerine-vapor-and-acrolein-the-issues.455394/ hate to use ECF and to paraphrase quote
Why we don't inhale acrolein
There are multiple reasons we don't inhale acrolein in vapour in anything except trace amounts [2]:

1. An atomiser is a liquid-cooled heater element. In order for the atomiser coil to be hot enough to produce acrolein, there must be no liquid to cool it. If there is no coolant, then the temperature can rise and the coil can become very hot. It may then become red hot; but if there is no liquid, then no acrolein can be produced.

2. Adding anything to glycerine reduces its boiling point. This means that the glycerine+additive mix will boil off well below 280 C, and in fact the boiling point of a mix may be as little as half this. (Water has a much lower boiling point and PG is only 188 C.)

3. The negative pressure and air throughput within an atomiser may also increase the cooling effect and reduce the boiling point.

4. Acrolein will probably not be produced in any significant quantity in a regular atomiser until the smoke phase is reached, which is well past the point at which the vapour becomes impossible to inhale. We know this because of the multiple tests run by reliable investigators on regular ecig heads. These heads are all of micro-coil type enclosed in small-diameter tubes, with silica wicks. We have no data for other types of head.

5. RBA use is a different matter as no tests have been carried out on this type of atomiser, which is known to run hotter under certain circumstances, and may have different vapor production characteristics.

also you have mixed PG for VG

Second Acrolein is what turns into what you are referring to at much higher temps This might be true for your Heasted Glass style Vaporizers it is not for Are devices.

Third please refrain from using Drug references outside of the CDB Community. your link will be removed
 

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Formaldehyde is also found the very air one breathes at natural levels. Apologies but no merely avoiding vaping all together will not avoid formaldehyde as a risk factor. Nor does avoiding the use of PG in with CBD oil avoid the risk fully either.

No one on this forum is bold or stupid enough to say that vaping itself in any way is 100 % risk free. What is stated more than not is that vaping has been proven over and over again to be about 95 % less of a risk than smoking commercial made or roll your own cigarettes processed as commercial tobacco products. We have seen the research that shows hospitals using PG in their air ventilation for express purposes of helping attack bacteria which causes Mercer, staff infection and a host of other nasty shit.

Just as a quick side note too, quick go check out the disinfectant you use in your home. Bet if you use Lysol, you spray pg into the air. *gasp* "oh my gosh!"

Pg has been used reasonably safely for over 40 - 50 year, in various medications, inhalers for asthmatics, cough syrups. It is a inert carrier, it does not alter in the body even if heated prior to inhalation or ingestion. You bring "new" research and that's all fine and well, don't discount older research that's been done independently and found a modicum of reasonable safety, though. Doing so also shows you harboring this "rudeness" you accuse others of presenting to you.

But yes, formaldehyde has also been proved to be within nearly everything any more. Anything causes it to occur, even exhaling the air you breathe. At the same time though mitigation of risk posed by formaldehyde limits perceived and real risk as minor, possibly minuscule. You see toxicology also concerns itself with the dose taken, the physiology of the taker, environmental factors. The list of vectors numbers in at least thousands I'm sure.

I'm not denying formaldehyde has a danger. What I am saying though, that there is a reasonable modicum of risk reduction at play in vaping, with or without CBD oils. This I think you need to consider prior to presenting such an argument that lends itself to seemingly more of the same old mainstream fear porn pandering.

Look the sky seems still up there over us all, alright? The argument vapers offer is that risk mitigation exists, a substantial amount of it too. No, we're not saying anything is 100 % safe. Saying that would be down right naive & silly. We do say though we've found a way to reduce risks, it works for us, hope you can try vaping because we like saving lives of smokers.

Apologies to keep editing, I'm getting used to using E prime language. That kind of language eliminates the Is/To Be/Can Be verb forms to clearly express realities and truths more so. It is a scientific language form that also helps avoid a lot of emotional clouding. It also seems to aid in eliminating passive voice in writing. I write, ergo I like improving on writing.
 
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Formaldehyde is also found the very air one breathes at natural levels. Apologies but no merely avoiding vaping all together will not avoid formaldehyde as a risk factor. Nor does avoiding the use of PG in with CBD oil avoid the risk fully either.

No one on this forum is bold or stupid enough to say that vaping itself in any way is 100 % risk free. What is stated more than not is that vaping has been proven over and over again to be about 95 % less of a risk than smoking commercial made or roll your own cigarettes processed as commercial tobacco products. We have seen the research that shows hospitals using PG in their air ventilation for express purposes of helping attack bacteria which causes Mercer, staff infection and a host of other nasty shit.

Just as a quick side note too, quick go check out the disinfectant you use in your home. Bet if you use Lysol, you spray pg into the air. *gasp* "oh my gosh!"

Pg has been used reasonably safely for over 40 - 50 year, in various medications, inhalers for asthmatics, cough syrups. It is a inert carrier, it does not alter in the body even if heated prior to inhalation or ingestion. You bring "new" research and that's all fine and well, don't discount older research that's been done independently and found a modicum of reasonable safety, though. Doing so also shows you harboring this "rudeness" you accuse others of presenting to you.

But yes, formaldehyde has also been proved to be within nearly everything any more. Anything causes it to occur, even exhaling the air you breathe. At the same time though mitigation of risk posed by formaldehyde limits perceived and real risk as minor, possibly minuscule. You see toxicology also concerns itself with the dose taken, the physiology of the taker, environmental factors. The list of vectors numbers in at least thousands I'm sure.

I'm not denying formaldehyde has a danger. What I am saying though, that there is a reasonable modicum of risk reduction at play in vaping, with or without CBD oils. This I think you need to consider prior to presenting such an argument that lends itself to seemingly more of the same old mainstream fear porn pandering.

Look the sky seems still up there over us all, alright? The argument vapers offer is that risk mitigation exists, a substantial amount of it too. No, we're not saying anything is 100 % safe. Saying that would be down right naive & silly. We do say though we've found a way to reduce risks, it works for us, hope you can try vaping because we like saving lives of smokers.

Apologies to keep editing, I'm getting used to using E prime language. That kind of language eliminates the Is/To Be/Can Be verb forms to clearly express realities and truths more so. It is a scientific language form that also helps avoid a lot of emotional clouding. It also seems to aid in eliminating passive voice in writing. I write, ergo I like improving on writing.

The rudeness I was referring to was being told to STFU and being called ignorant. When I spend weeks and weeks reading up and asking about this. And there is literally on 2 websites that I can find that say PG is "safe and FDA approved". That it is in ketchup but yet I am not vaping ketchup. Just read the following comments right after my first comment. I would not make nasty or laughable comments even if I disagree with someone on a matter.
 

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Vape shops that sell CBD vape oil?
Yep experts ;)
There are SOME knowlegable employees in Vape Shops.
But not most imho.
I prefer sources like The Royal College of Physicians and such regarding vaping safety.
Not some kid working at a vape shop.
The jack asses at my local shop r morans. I am truly shocked they they can spell their own name. They had no real knowledge of vaping other than suggesting all their over priced bs.
 
The jack asses at my local shop r morans. I am truly shocked they they can spell their own name. They had no real knowledge of vaping other than suggesting all their over priced bs.

Well that might be true. But if they work there they should have some knowledge especially if they are going to sell CBD vape oil. Here in Dallas there are CBD and Kraton shops and other specific CBD stores and they have very good knowledge of the cbd vape oils and do not carry any with pg. Now the smoke or vape shops will carry the ones with pg because it usually one of the same brands they purchase already for e cigs.

I quit smoking in 2001. I do not like the texture or taste of tinctures. And find they are less effective. I have had 6 back surgeries and need a neck surgery. Tired of taking prescription drugs. So trying to find out what is best.
 
First https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threads/glycerine-vapor-and-acrolein-the-issues.455394/ hate to use ECF and to paraphrase quote
Why we don't inhale acrolein
There are multiple reasons we don't inhale acrolein in vapour in anything except trace amounts [2]:

1. An atomiser is a liquid-cooled heater element. In order for the atomiser coil to be hot enough to produce acrolein, there must be no liquid to cool it. If there is no coolant, then the temperature can rise and the coil can become very hot. It may then become red hot; but if there is no liquid, then no acrolein can be produced.

2. Adding anything to glycerine reduces its boiling point. This means that the glycerine+additive mix will boil off well below 280 C, and in fact the boiling point of a mix may be as little as half this. (Water has a much lower boiling point and PG is only 188 C.)

3. The negative pressure and air throughput within an atomiser may also increase the cooling effect and reduce the boiling point.

4. Acrolein will probably not be produced in any significant quantity in a regular atomiser until the smoke phase is reached, which is well past the point at which the vapour becomes impossible to inhale. We know this because of the multiple tests run by reliable investigators on regular ecig heads. These heads are all of micro-coil type enclosed in small-diameter tubes, with silica wicks. We have no data for other types of head.

5. RBA use is a different matter as no tests have been carried out on this type of atomiser, which is known to run hotter under certain circumstances, and may have different vapor production characteristics.

also you have mixed PG for VG

Second Acrolein is what turns into what you are referring to at much higher temps This might be true for your Heasted Glass style Vaporizers it is not for Are devices.

Third please refrain from using Drug references outside of the CDB Community. your link will be removed

How else can you prove a statement if not from outside this community? Didn't the previous link given to me was outside this post?
 

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Well that might be true. But if they work there they should have some knowledge especially if they are going to sell CBD vape oil. Here in Dallas there are CBD and Kraton shops and other specific CBD stores and they have very good knowledge of the cbd vape oils and do not carry any with pg. Now the smoke or vape shops will carry the ones with pg because it usually one of the same brands they purchase already for e cigs.

I quit smoking in 2001. I do not like the texture or taste of tinctures. And find they are less effective. I have had 6 back surgeries and need a neck surgery. Tired of taking prescription drugs. So trying to find out what is best.
I dont like western big pharma meds. So i too rely on cbd. I dont agree with you on pg. But respect the fact that you are entitled to your opinion and it doesn't matter if i agree or disagree.
 

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How else can you prove a statement if not from outside this community? Didn't the previous link given to me was outside this post?
i was referring to drug references please check the rules in my signature line. we are tend to not be less strict if the topic is within the CBD sub sections but the rules still apply.
 

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The rudeness I was referring to was being told to STFU and being called ignorant. When I spend weeks and weeks reading up and asking about this. And there is literally on 2 websites that I can find that say PG is "safe and FDA approved". That it is in ketchup but yet I am not vaping ketchup. Just read the following comments right after my first comment. I would not make nasty or laughable comments even if I disagree with someone on a matter.


Well, I'm not accountable for telling you to STFU, or that you're ignorant, although ... what I am about to present may seem I am saying that.

Less than one minute using the Duck Duck Go search engine and I have a lot of pointers to various independent research. Granted this is not saying I have spent weeks upon weeks, heaps on heaps poring over each bit of data meticulously. As much as I may attempt being informed, rational minded, I too am only human and by no means a doctor, scientist, someone that takes grant money to put nose to research. That is not said to infer right or wrong if you do or do not accept money to read research. It is simply stating I don't, ergo can be versed "enough to suit myself" on something.

I can own up to my ignorance, if indeed I'm shown in error. I've no problem with doing that, do it a lot on here and in other forums regarding vaping or other subjects. I'm an honest agnostic you may find. I can gladly state "I don't know" as my most honest and objective answer to a question or problem needing a solution. There is much I will never know and fortunately, I don't care that I don't know it. I have seen what happens to the folks who take upon themselves the mantle of "know it all". *shaking my head* Nope, I'll go stand in the corner with all the allegedly useless "know nothings" any day.

The reasoning for my choice in that is in a lacking of arrogance, jealousy on my part. Yes, I have even have to pretend being jealous if another man is flirting with my wife, despite happily being happy if she wants to enjoy that fellas company. I don't own my wife or any other person. Sure I love her but it is as near an unconditional love as I can give. Again, I'm human and so stumble a bit here and there. What I stumble over though is not being arrogant or jealous.

I stumble over, "well if that's what they really want, wouldn't want them take something and not be sure for themselves" and issues like that. I'm an odd bird but I don't even care that I am an odd bird, beyond letting folks met anew know. They need to know so they don't think, "ha ha, I'll poke him with arguments based on X and watch him squirm", or worse still get lost when I'm the one pulling them from a fire when nobody else does and they ask "why?" "Love ya man, simple as that." It seems to embarrass folks that I quit arguments or debates, or worse do not engage in them if I may avoid them. so new folks met need to know that's how I am, so they don't embarrass themselves.

And no I'm not this funny Jesus guy nor do I pretend to be. If Jesus is the love he says then he's alright with me calling him funny. :) Then again, some of the Christian religious texts I've read, ... leaves me wondering much. Some of the Shinto text and oral tradition does as well too, and the Islamic, Jewish, Hindi, Buddhist. Yep, I wonder about most if not all of them inclusive of spiritual Satanism. That's what I do, I wonder, peek in, ask, scribble notes in my brain. Got to know people to write, people seem hung up with this religion stuff, politics stuff. I only observe and state, lots of it seems odd to me. That isn't judging, only observing.

Again, "agnostic here". *said in best Al Pacino voice* I don't care about religions, politics, colors. Tell me how you help life, love, light? There's my religion. At one time I might have fought anyone over it, now, bah fighting is for silly young boys knowing no better. ;) :) As another bit of help ... you might try looking this fella up, then down, see what all he dishes out about vaping. Yep, he kind of has brownie points with me. I respect his work. There's some here and there I might disagree about, I might or might not have good reason for that.

Respecting another person's opinion, work, view doesn't mean you absolutely cannot ever challenge it. What it means is you consider or give this person's views a bit of weight in what you decide based on your own looking around, reading, looking stuff up. Respecting someone does not ever infer worshiping them. Sorry, if I don't worship any god you can be damn sure I don't worship any human. Might revere a human or few, love, honor, respect them but worship? Nah, I'll leave that for those with a herd view of life and things. They do exist too, remember me mentioning our lovely friends the "know it alls"? *nods* There you go, and according to Chico Marx no matter where you go there you'll be, too.

Excuse me and my humble apologies if I've seemed to ramble this morning. I thought you brought the coffee, or least maybe some kind of snack. Now, I need wrestle Raymond Burr for it. Not that I particularly mind that. I dislike it in the sense of feeling naked due to not having coffee, never mind the nude wrestling itself. :) Also apologize if I've seemed to belittle you, or anyone. I rather not do that to anyone if I can avoid it. Again, I stumble at times, can write like the raven at the writing desk but to "communicate", is different. Communication is probably the number killing fiend on our planet. We need pictorial telepathy instead. It would make empathy easier too. :)

Now, as for my darkened sheets? *sighs* I need to see Joey and Charlie Wong's grand father. I forgot two Wongs seldom ever make a white. No don't mean that as an ethnic joke as much as a moral tale based on a pun yet still holding value. Sometimes even looking thrice you still miss the curve ball life zips past you, thinking it was a straight fast ball. So, think I'll ...
 
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If PG were that horrible, highly doubt they'd be used in some cases of MDI's, (pressurized metered dose inhalers) used to treat lung diseases like asthma and copd.

"Glaxo Group Ltd. has also shown that other novel surfactants can also be utilized in HFA formulations for the aforementioned purposes (126,127) (see Fig. 7). Propylene glycol diesters (Miglyol 840) and triglyceride esters (Miglyol 812) of medium-chain fatty acids may also be utilized as surfactants and have been shown to decrease discharge pressure upon actuation, which may positively influence oropharyngeal drug deposition from MDIs (128)."

This coming from a 2014 report posted here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3969484/

Some 'dude' at a cbd shop can kick rocks. When he gets his MD tell him to rejoin the party. I also don't generally take information from gypsies, fortune tellers or autozone employees to heart. Do what you feel you must but to make claims without factual basis, meh.
 

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I have to wonder about age range here.
Teens tend to think that other teens are VERY smart and older people know nothing.
Since teens are most of the vape shop workers....

Little Johnny thinks his dad is very smart until Johnny becomes a teenager then Dad is stupid. Until Johnny recovers in 5-15 years and realizes that Dad is pretty smart.
A hormonal, peer pressure/acceptance thing....
 

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I find that i educate the vape shop morans on vaping everytime I'm in there to get tobacco 4 my wife.
 

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I visited about 4 vape shop when I first started vaping.
It was very disappointing and I gave up on vape shops and have bought ALL of my vape stuff online since.
 

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Vape shop doesn't like me much because not only do i know more then them and i never buy anything vape related from them
 

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I also have noticed that younger vapers tend to buy from shops and trust that the smok product they over paid for is the best in the market. Lmao
 

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Ive seen smok online at 50% the cost of shops
 

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I just dislike that shops represent smok as the best brand on the market.
 

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I just dislike that shops represent smok as the best brand on the market.

Will qualify my liking your post, don't need to but feel I ought.

At one point, Smok, SmokTech did produce some really good quality gear for low cost to consumers. Their stuff didn't leak. Let me repeat that, their stuff didn't leak ... if it did you were the one that was the error. "Goober, a clear-o-mizer isn't supposed to go into a blender and be expected to maintain its Pyrex glass sleeve snug against the metal. It doesn't help you added microbes or dirt, something in the slurry you put in the blender with it that eats epoxy."

They also had real fine control over their CAM (Computer Aided Manufacture/ing) producing the coils, coil head assemblies. They employed very happy and good crews of quality control checkers too. all was wonderful, all was right with Smok and they ought to have kept cranking out good gear, making Billions a year hand over fist. Then, ... (The Big It) happened.

Nobody is exactly sure what (The Big It) was, what it entailed, why or how It happened. When it happened though, a very marked decrease in quality across the board followed It. Smok didn't up their costs to consumers, nor did quality improve back to its previous lovely state. Smok, for lack of better analogy has just hung around in the air.

While their product might not have technically been "The Best", they did damn good for a while, over all. The cost to consumers was always a big part of that as well. "Hey look man there's brand Z got a new tank out for hundreds of dollars." Two weeks pass and Brand Z's tank is getting flack for leaks, for other obviously machined in flaws. Smok produces the "Almost Brand Z's New Tank" and it costs $25, and theirs doesn't have but maybe one similar flaw but Joe over on board Delta has a quick fix. Gee, wonder why I'd drop a bale of cash for Brand Z?

I think that might explain a lot of the remaining fan boi and fan gal loves over Smok products. Smok is "on the water" but nobody wants to "say good bye". Hard to let go of something that was once a "golden goose". That noted, I'm not trying to cut Smok here nor discredit them. They might still pull "a rabbit out of the hat", never can tell. And no, I'm not saying they will or that I have "inside" Smok knowledge, merely leaving the possibility out there.

People were introduced to electronic cigs 8 out of 10 times on some kind of Smok product. Smok topped the Ego batteries very well and those "kits" sold like hot cakes on a Sumer day. Everyone clamored to try the "new buzz" and Smok had the market cornered. They tried going into different aspects of the industry, that might be the (Big It), things started downhill. They couldn't compete with say Kanger that made Pro Tanks, Aspire, Eleaf, Innokin. Although I still suspect that a lot of these "different" companies all draw from the same well, lots of the same designs, machining and so on lead me there. That's why I kind of get put off Smok branching out being the "Big It" that sank them as low as they are currently.

Time, the lovely solution next to water, time will tell I guess. No, no fan boi here either, not even a boi any longer. I liked Smok giving me an intro but I've fallen down the vaping hole, found a muffin called squonking with a label "Try me, you'll love me (winky emoticon)."

*Karl Childers voice* "Uh huh, so I did and and I do. Now, I want to do regular dripping, I do. I ain't gonna go back there to using them Smok anymore." (Stereotypically enough that seems to be my voice, too. Not stereotypical I got a lot more up in the brain pan than what others might think.) Yep, I be a knuckle dragger. *chuckles*

Anyway, that's about what I think is going on regarding Smok. Understand that I know that what I say herein is all speculation, opinion. Anyone can take or leave that opinion for whatever value it holds for them. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, only that ... I've give a peek through a slat. It might look like peanut butter is the answer from the slat you look through. Who knows? *grin* Many a time we just hear "bohica, bohica," and they forget the astro glide. Think I'll go cap Jack Webb this morning, he's wiling around like he stole the coffee. If the bomb drops, give me a yell I wanna hop on top of it.
 

zaroba

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Personally I would avoid anything that has PG in it. That can turn into formaldehyde in your lungs. While it seems hard to find it without PG...it is possible.

This may have already been covered, but the dangers of formaldehyde are actually a drastically overblown and misleading scare tactic told by the antivaping groups.

Formaldehyde is a natural substance that your body actually produces while digesting any fruits and vegetables that you eat and inhaling it does not effect the levels in your blood because it gets metabolized by your body the instant it comes in contact with the saliva in your mouth and the lining of your throat and lungs. It is used in the production of a large number of products that you encounter in every day life and these objects release formaldehyde into the environment around you for years after production and never once have caused harm due to your body metabolizing it as soon as it gets inhaled. Items such as most plastics, wood vaneer, fabrics (clothing, furniture, vehicles, and carpets), and it is also used in the coating of most pills (both medications and vitamins).

While it can cause cancer, all cancer cases have been in people who work in factorys handling large quantities of formaldehyde on a daily basis.
 

zaroba

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Aside from the people mentioning the ingredients, the stuff you buy in grocery stores isn't very strong as as such you will need to use a lot of flavoring which will make those other ingredients have a greater negative effect on the quality of your eliquid.

The flavors you can purchase online from sites like Bullcity, Ecigexpress, and many others are commercial grade flavoring. Much more concentrated so you can use far less flavoring in the eliquid. This also means that long term they may actually be cheaper because the same amount of flavoring will make more eliquid
 

The Cromwell

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Formaldehyde is kinda natural occurring.
However I do not feel that it is harmless.
Increased exposure can imho increase cancer risks.
Such as living in a tightly enclosed manufactured home with lots of formaldehyde oozing from glue, carpet, etc.
We are ALL exposed to many carcinogens throughout our lives. Solvents exhaust fumes, additives in food and cosmetics, etc
And some people do not get lung cancer from smoking. but do not count on that.

Vaping I do not think increases your risk very much at all and I think for most vapers the amount of formaldehyde that vaping produces is GREAT:Y overblown.
Vaping is not totally risk free just MUCH safer than smoking.
 

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