Can we stop using the term "E-Cig"

Discussion in 'What are electronic cigarettes?' started by punishedprimate, Dec 8, 2014.

  1. Callipleura

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    Controlling the words do matter... I don't think there is really much question about that. Business, marketing, governments, political movements do it because it is effective (for the right reasons and for the wrong ones).

    Big tobacco companies and their vape products need a word/slang to identify them though - hopefully some type of dirty word to tip everybody off that you are dealing with these companies - just in their vape product lines (hardware or liquid) - and you should stay away from them if you can or at least so I can... lol! It could also be good that the media knows that the "grassroots" vaping community see them as different and that the big tobacco companies are moving in to try and take control - that two different things are going on and they are not the same thing and do not share the same goals. Thus the special word for them.

    I have only been smoke free for a month but it seems to me though in the short time I have been vaping that it is the grassroots nature of DIY liquid making that is the important thing to control for yourself, know and understand. As long as the 4 base ingredients are freely available and there is enough know how - vaping could remain free from all the business practices that are sure to come down the road. I already get bad vibes from the "indy" commercial liquid market.

    But ya, eCig... lol... iPhone, eCommerce, etc... drop the vowels as soon enough they become the norm. Dropping the vowel on eCig won't work to well. Trendy marketing nonsense - remember the good old day's when there was the:
    sWheel = Stone Wheel
    wWheel = Wood Wheel
    rWheel = Rubber Wheel
     
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    'Vaporizers' have been around long before e-cigs; to vape the other stuff...
     
  3. Raina

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    I'm with you. Plus, when I hear "ecig" I immediately think about the gas station garbage. Hubby calls mine a "smoke stick". :)
     
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  4. Kinser

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    I call my gear my "PV" or "personal vaporizer". I can't stand them being called "e-cigarettes". The similarity between analog tobacco products (cigs, cigars, pipes and so-on) and PVs begins and ends with "you put it into your mouth, and it contains nicotine".*

    may not apply to nasal snuff
     
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    They call it e-nic in Prague, which is what I like...
     
  6. HealthierCigs.com

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    We would call the device we vape with a vaporizer.
     
  7. pulsevape

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    I agree we need to not accept the term e-cigs...control the language and you control ideas.
     
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  8. Kinser

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    I used the P.E.N.I.S joke before. My co-worker asked me "How's the juice taste?" We laughed because I can be a little flamboyant.
     
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  9. Hey! it's just Ray...

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    I have a cool little P. E. N. I. S.
     
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    Ok who's swearing in here?????

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  11. Count Vapula

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    I always avoid the term 'e-cig' There needs to be a bigger rift between cigs and vaping

    Ignorant VPs at my hospital try and say our anti-smoking policies apply to vaping. (just like the tools in govt)

    But it's not smoking and it's not tobacco. Maybe we should have a counter-campaign linking 2 wildly different things as one !
     
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    I see no reason to avoid the term e-cigarettes. This name is understood by the general public. No matter what name we prefer, fact is this product is under attack by Local, State and Federal authorities. It's not the name that is causing this attack. The product allows nicotine to be delivered. The product is successfully allowing people to quit smoking. This is unacceptable to those in charge for a majority of reasons whether is control, money, loss of revenue etc.

    A majority of the public when witnessing vaping believes that it's smoking. It design mimic smoking which benefited in my stopping smoking.
     
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    Mine is not a "PENIS"....
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    Ecigs make me think of devices designed to look like cigarettes. I also prefer PV when talking about my vape hardware. My father in law calls the clouds I produce "fog" ...lol
     
  15. Barkt

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    Some people ask if I vaping. Others ask if 'that's an e-cig'. Either way I just say yes. If they're smokers, either way I can start a conversation and hopefully plant a seed for them to start vaping and quit smoking. Otherwise, I'm too jaded to turn a casual conversation into a dogmatic one. I just don't care enough to take the time.
     
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    Personally I like PV. It's simple, accurate and rolls right off the tongue. I quit cigarettes.
     
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    It's a giant assed ploy by both American and Canadian governments. They want the general public to see vaping as related to tobacco. Billions of dollars are at stake if we all quit smoking. Your government does not care about your health, they want your money. Up here in Canada, they have now successfully put vaping products in the tobacco category in Ontario. With Harper in charge, the cancer will spread. Write your local senator ect... be active, or we will lose the right to vape, and millions and millions more will die from cancer.
     
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    The first time I sat outside in the break area at work with an RDA, one of the smokers asked me if it was an e-cig. I replied with "No, it is a personal vaporizer". They associated this term with a subject we can not discuss on this forum. With her being a member of our HR team, later that day I was "randomly selected" for urinalysis.

    Now I just say "yes it is, just a fancy one..."
     
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    I'm ok calling it an "e-cig" to non vapers. "Advanced Personal Vaporizer" still creeps me out. I like my vaping device.
     
  20. Count Vapula

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    Address the cause, not the symptom. Just vote all these corporate cronies out of office

    Get the actual information out there, so it's just not the lobbies spreading "facts"

    Run Twitter, Facebook, G+ campaigns and spread the word

    here are some to begin with. Was tweeting them #VapeOn

    http://vapers.org.uk/10-health-experts-who-endorse-e-cigarettes/
    http://www.news-medical.net/news/20...s-might-keep-us-healthy-says-researchers.aspx
    https://reason.com/blog/2015/03/04/study-confirms-that-e-cigarettes-generat#.etcgpf:r6pv
    http://www.churnmag.com/news/1942-s...-health-benefits-of-inhaled-propylene-glycol/
    http://vapeaboutit.com/study-finds-vaping-is-95-safer-than-smoking/
     
  21. JahmezOkieDokie

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    +1 ^this. I think that is what it is all about. Propaganda. It takes over. If it isn't rampant sexual assault on schools or children using drugs/guns, it is PVs being used as cessation devices but not being healthier. Viewers = $$. Scare tactics = viewers. There is a possibility that, over time, the attitude could change, but it takes a lot of action and a long fight to see it.
     
  22. JahmezOkieDokie

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    Does Ron Jeremy stick his genitals in his mouth often?
     
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    I have struggled with this for a LONG time and even converted myself to calling it my "vape"

    NOWADAYS, I feel that "vaping" has the bad stigma of clouding out rooms and acting ignorant. For this reason, I converted myself back to calling it my "ecig" so I'm proud to grab my E-cigarette every day because that terminology stands for a less obnoxious and less harmful version of "smoking". Just my 2 cents...
     
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  24. KVape

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    The fact of the matter is that cigarettes are regulated, taxed, are controlled substances that produce undesirable effects for those that use them in whole and governments that profit from them. Adding an “e-“ to this already heavily scrutinized product results in negative impact not only to consumers, but suppliers and manufacturers as a whole. To me an e-cigarette is an item that is often sold in a similar setting as a cigarette (often right next to one another, hence the Mark Ten’s selling in the same case as those Marlboro Red’s), as it very much resembles a cigarette in shape and similar form with the exception of the way nicotine is delivered.

    Vaping on the other hand should be classified more under the approach as cigars. Cigars fall under different standards than cigarettes, they are more of specialty type item or hobby. At the same time, quality cigars are often not made available through convenience stores but more readily available through specialty stores or Cigar Stores. There really is a major similarity here between a Cigar Store and Vaping Store, from the standpoint in quality, selection, pricing, setting, availability, and preferences.

    There definitely needs to be distinction between E-Cigarettes and Vaping, smoking is a habit and it is associated as a bad habit that carries harmful and negative consequences. Vaping on the other hand could be classified more as hobby, therefore eliminating a high degree of negative speculation and health related concerns from the disassociation from the “e-cigarette” category. I tend to think that a vaping device could be categorized more as Vape Inhaler, I think the term is fitting and descriptive while at the same time, it has a more conscience meaning. I think in general people have a better understanding of what an inhaler is used for and more importantly how it works. It seems that much of the major problem surrounding Vaping is that people do not understand vaping or how it works, people understand the harmful aspects associated with smoking and while smokers tend to ween off cigarettes towards e-cigarettes or more specialized vaping devices, Vaping devices tend to be discredited because of cigarette classification.

    As Vaping grows in popularity it is essential that it becomes classified differently, and the easiest way to classify it differently is to stop referring to it as an e-cigarette and promote it with a term that is easy for the blind public to understand through an inhaling device that is more for hobby use than habitual.
     
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    I was hanging around somebody I knew one day, don't remember who and I pulled out a pen and they said oh, I didn't know you smoked and I said I don't, I vape and they said, same difference and I said no its not. Conversely, I was seeing a doctor the other day and he asked me if I smoked. And this is an older gentleman, 50's or 60's. I said no, but I use a vaporizer. Immediately he knew what I meant. Dreadfully he said oh, you mean like an electronic cigarette? He got the idea, so I didn't correct him because I was seeking medical attention and that was more important. But here is an older man who knows the difference between smoking and vaping, and yet this 20-something I was hanging around did not. And the doctor didn't tell me to quit vaping, either.
     
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    LOL! Yeah, good point.
     
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    Vaporizers have been around long before electronic cigarettes- to smoke the other stuff...
     
  28. bOoMsHaKaLaKaA

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    I agree. I never refer to my vape as my e-cig. No!

    Anyway, here's a great video to watch that could relate to this a bit.

     
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    No it looks like a Pipe bomb and has now caused more grief than ever one can call a device anything its the appearance of the device not just the name
     
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    To me, an e-cig is a "cigalike" vaporizer.

    All e-cigs are vaporizers, but not all vaporizers are e-cigs.
     
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    I thought we had all agreed to call them Binkys. Pacifier was a distant second, as it sounded kind of childish.
     
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    OP makes a great point. We probably will be stuck with e-cig for some time, but if we start now, we might be able to develop the image of vaping culture using proper terminology.
     
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    I know what it is & thats all that counts.

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    Even though I've only been vaping for a short time, I try to avoid using the "e-cig" term. I guess it's a matter of personal preference....
     
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    my boss calls it my "Douche Horn". i'll see if i can make him choke on his Timmies the next time i call it my P.E.N.I.S.
     
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    I have heard it called all types of names best one I have heard is vapestick
     
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    I call it a vape. I've never used the term e-cig - it's not a cigarette! It doesn't look like a cigarette, smell like a cigarette, taste like a cigarette, personally, I don't even use nic. But even if I did, still not a cigarette.
    Hell, I'd prefer the term electronic cigar. At least it's more classy sounding. I QUIT cigarettes. I do not inhale smoke from anything called "cigarette" therefor my vape is a vaporizer. I vape on my vaporizer, inhaling vapor, exhaling vapor, vapity vape vaping vapey vapor.

    (end of le strong opinion post)
     
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    I also would rather use any other term than cig because who whats to be associated with a gross old habit.

    However, anyone who knows mountain/road bikes will understand when I say "clipless" pedals... some names just stick even if they don't make any sense years after the fact.
     
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    "Vape" has already caught on around here. You don't hear too many people say "e-cig." The most vape-naive people around here simply refer to them as "electronics" or "an electronic." Sometimes, it's used as an adjective rather than a noun, as in "Oh, that's one of those electronic things." A sign of things to come, perhaps?

    I think it's partially because it rolls off of the tongue better. "E-cig" has kind of an awkward cadence. It's difficult to say without sounding like a fucking twat... ...and that's got nothing to do with connotation. "Electronic cigarette," OTOH, makes you sound like a cop or a politician. "Vape" is more versatile and intuitively easier to implement, as it can be used as a noun, verb, adverb, or adjective. It's almost as good as the word "fuck!"

    Most people are naturally inclined to pick up words that can be used in many ways and lend themselves to shorter, simpler sentences, while the very concise, context-specific words tend to be avoided unless absolutely necessary (such as when it's the only fitting descriptor.) And with that in mind, what do you call someone who "smokes" "e-cigs?" An "e-cig-user/smoker?" That's kind of awkward on the tongue, isn't it? "Vaper" is a lot easier to reach for if you have it in your head.

    It also helps that vape shops generally call themselves, well... ...just that. You don't see "e-cig" stores around here. People generally know that people buy their "vapes" at "vape shops" and not "e-cig stores" because the latter is not a thing that actually exists where they live.


    I think that a lot of the public perception of us comes down to how we present ourselves out in the world. People will usually adopt the lingo they hear from the people they meet more readily than the lingo they read/hear in the news. Everyone knows that's not how people talk.

    The news may be capable of rapidly spreading ideas and ways of describing things, but more practical and convenient terms ultimately prevail. People will usually adopt terms that are best for talking about something over ones that we acquire by reading about something. Talking to people gets your gears turning in different ways from when you're just watching/reading the news.

    We unwittingly mimic the common mannerisms and gestures of those around us as a means of sort of plugging into our interactions with one another. People tend to talk in the way that the people around them talk. It's like "soda" versus "pop." If you say one or the other in the wrong region, people give you funny looks.

    The next time you're having a conversation with somebody, check out your body posture and gestures. You may just catch yourself mimicking those of the other person. Change your posture. Watch as their posture changes not too long after. Ever catch yourself speaking differently when talking to certain people? Perhaps you're sounding a little more like them? It's monkey see, monkey do. And I'll tell you, man... ...we really are just goddamned monkeys! That stuff influences the way you interact with people in the future.

    Basically, it is the conversations that we have with one another that most shape the way we talk, not what we read or hear. If we all stop calling them e-cigs, then everyone else should eventually do the same. People will come to abandon "e-cig" if more people and businesses refer to them as "vapes."

    APV is never gonna stick, though. It's too clunky, extraneous, and esoteric of a descriptor. Again, the simplest terms stick the easiest. You have to retain less information to use them and they can also convey more information with less effort. It's not even a conscious decision. That's why I think people would trade "e-cig" for "vape" with enough exposure. "E-cig" is overly-complex compared to "vape." That's just how the spoken word works. If people hear it called something more abstractly intuitive, that's the word they'll use.

    Just call it a "vape" and that's what the word will eventually be! Vaping is becoming more and more visible every year. Most of them don't resemble cigarettes in any way. "E-cig" will have to die eventually.... ...hopefully when people recognize how silly it is to call something that doesn't even look vaguely similar to a cigarette a "cigarette." But most likely it'll be for the same reason dialects exist, which is a start. The connotation will eventually follow.


    When I do catch someone calling my vape an e-cig, I politely and sort of jokingly ask them what part of my noisy cricket/snubnose setup looks like a cigarette. Most people, I've noticed, just haven't given it the thought. It's usually one of those "Ohhh, well... yeah. You've got a point there." moments. "Well, what is then?" "It's a vape. I'm vaping."

    Had that sort of conversation plenty of times. Never has anyone challenged me on it or thought it was strange. It works because it's more intuitive from a linguistic standpoint. Most of these people only know about vaping through the news. They're not aware of our subculture's preferred terminology at all. They use "e-cig" because that's literally the only term they've ever had to associate vaping to. Give em a shiny, more casual, easy-to-use term and 9 times out of 10, they'll accept it. Just gotta keep your cool and have the conversation with people... ...as many times as possible.

    It really is that simple. It's what the news calls us versus what we call ourselves. A lot of people just don't know what we call ourselves so they call vaping what they've seen/heard it called, but I think it's reasonable to assume that they would take a vaper's word on it when they say that's what they are using, if only they knew what we called our devices. "I met someone who used one of those things. He called it a vape."
     
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    Maybe you are right, but "e-cig" is deeply rooted in people's mind, it takes much more time for people to change it.
     
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    I AND all my friends called it "e-cig", this is a habitual problem I think. Some times i search on google/amazon/ecigunit/ebay to look for products, i always type e-cig. This is deep habits hard to change.....anyone else?
     
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    I hear this a lot around my house "Has anyone seen my vape?" or "I lost my vape !" I call it my vape and I vape don't smoke. I don't want my vaping to be considered smoking or a cigarette so I don't call it as such. If I am asked if I smoke, I just say no and do not offer any other information. If someone sees me vaping and calls me out on it then they will get the whole "there's a difference between smoking and vaping" speech. I try to be respectful to other people while I am vaping and usually have no problem anywhere.
     
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    When someone says something about the "smoke" coming from my MOD I say this is NOT Smoke as there is no combustion and this is vapor. I also say this is not an e-Cig and show them what an e-Cigarette is to me.
     
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    I agree with this statement - except to add that most people here don't use the battery shaped like a cig. They are actually still very popular (should be though).
     
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    I call mine my piip, kind of a play off of the word pipe, or I call it vape gear. My witch understands me when I ask for it, really all I see as mattering presently.
     
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    An E-Cig to me means one of the analog lookalikes or Cig-A-Likes.
     

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