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  1. brewersvapes

    brewersvapes New Member

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    Does anyone want to share how to make your own flavor concentrates. Lets see if/who knows or has best method
     
  2. MistaKuraudo

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    I know a lot of people who do tobacco extracts. I've looked into make long natural extracts, but the only one I've tried is anise. Even after a month the flavor wasn't as strong as I'd hoped it would be though, so I can't really help in that department. If you're looking into tobacco extracts, there's a ton of tutorials on YouTube. I never wanted to try fruits and such just because of the sugars in them.
     
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    Ya true, that is why I'm trying to reach out and pick the brains of us vapors. There has to be a way to make favor concentrates. Such as"5pawns-steam factory-suicide bunny-etc" Allot of there flavors are done in house.
     
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    I'm sure there is if you can seperate a good amount of the sugar out of it. If anyone has any ideas, I'd be down to try and do it though.
     
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    Maybe like how moonshine is made??? I Don't know, just a thought. Time for bed obviously!!!! :)

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  6. Hobby Kid

    Hobby Kid Brighton Boy Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    Thing with flavour concentrates is many taste awful at the best of times - and that's with flavours that a manufacture has spent a lot of time and skill developing in laboratory conditions
     
  7. Bahas

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    http://chemistry.about.com/od/G_Chemistry_Terms/fl/Glycerite-Definition.htm
    when using the glycerite method for flavor extraction the longer it sits (steeps is one good way to look at it) the more flavor is pulled out.
    http://www.sheknows.com/food-and-recipes/articles/977495/homemade-flavored-extracts
    The reason most make companies use alcohol is cause it renders faster than glycerin (usage of alcohol to render flavor makes it a tincture).
    Pg is a little quicker cause it is thin Vg is the longest process cause it is thick. Yes you can speed it up with the application of heat but that only starts the process faster it will take time and patience to make the glycerite over the tincture (alcohol based).
    I haven't been able to start my experiments with these techniques yet but hopefully this helps explain it some. Happy Vaping All.
     
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    Hobby Kid Brighton Boy Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    I have Christmas cake concentrate. It took three months before it was vapable but now it tastes exactly like Christmas cake. It totally mind boggles me how they can actually make a concentrate that tastes like that?
     
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    Hey Bahas!!!! Thanks, it's somewhere to start at least. I'll be letting ya know how my venture hours along the process.

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    Happy Vaping. Let us know how your experiment comes along.
     
  11. MacFalic

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    Speaking of flavors and flavor concentrates, I understand not putting alcohol into the e-juice. What I am wondering is if I boil off the alcohol from a whiskey would that work or be okay?
     
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    Doesn't it workout expensive using alcohol? It would over here. There's like 90% tax on tobacco and spirits
     
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    In a way it could very well be expensive. What I have in mind is to take a bit of my favorite single malt Scotch and render it down to just flavor. That being Tomintoul, a Speyside with almost no peat taste or smell. It runs from $57 to $89 a bottle. I do want the taste so I figure it worth the cost.
     
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    To be truthful there is no way to eliminate all alcohol from anything from food or otherwise. There will always be residual alcohol in the final product while it may be minimal to almost nonexistant it will always hold some level left. I know of many people who are ex-drinkers and choose to not use anything that uses alcohol no matter the amount in it because they choose not to drink so the alcohol(tincture) extract may not be the way for them to go about it. I would suggest the glycerite method even though it will take longer to extract there is no alcohol used in the extraction process it just takes a lot longer to do. As I said earlier if you are going the glycerite method of extraction minimum is one month to start the process with pg almost 2 with vg because of the thickness but the end extract has a shelf life of 1-5 years depending which site you read.
     
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    Thank you. I'll check into that. I did get a bit anxious and used about a shot and a half. Burned it until it would no longer burn.
    I don't understand how the glycerite method could be used to extract alcohol. If you sealed the jar, in the end you still would have alcohol. Then there is the question of just what transfers to the glyceride solution. You could not strain it off/out. You would end up with a diluted solution of pg/vg, water, and whiskey.
     
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    Oops, yes the result of the 'burn off' was quite good. Not a strong flavor but one that mellows out the tobacco blend I'm working with.
     
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    I meant either the glycerite method or the alcohol method my fault in not differentiating the two as separate processes.
    The alcohol(tincture) method is one way to extract a flavor. The glycerite method utilizes the vg and water or pg and water to extract flavor. I'll look around I forgot the measurement needed for the glycerite method, and when I find it I'll post it here.
     
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    Glycerites are made the same way as alcohol based tinctures, except vegetable glycerin is used instead of alcohol. Use a ratio of 60% glycerin and 40% water. Be sure you use food grade glycerin. If using 100 proof (50% alcohol) or 80 proof (40% alcohol) mix in a ratio of 60% alcohol and 40% distilled water when making herbal extracts (also known as tinctures). Mix the alcohol with the water before adding the beans. So all in all it will be a ratio of 6:4 or simplified down 3parts alcohol (or vg or pg) to 2 parts water. It is also recommended that either alcohol or glycerin( VG or PG both food grade) 2-6 months of steeping but can be used in 4-5 weeks but it will not have the full kick. Also a side note you can strain the solid from the tincture or glycerite after the 4-5 week period or wait till 6 months to strain it out personal preference/how fast it is used.
    It is highly recommend when using herbal tinctures made with 60% alcohol within two to five years. For 35-40% alcohol based tinctures suggestions state use them within 6 months to a year. For a glycerite made with 60% glycerin, use them within a year. If you are using a lower amount of glycerin, use them within a few months. Shelf life is only an estimate and they may last longer or shorter than the stated times (shelf life greatly depends on how they are handled and stored).

    http://www.allnaturalbeauty.com/art...lla-glycerite-and-vanilla-infused-oil-recipes
    is where I got the info for shelf life it also explains a little more in detail how to make these using vanilla as the base.

    http://www.bulkherbstore.com/how-to/Make_a_Tincture?id=F84D49nB this explains a tincture (alcohol) with the use of heat
    http://www.bulkherbstore.com/how-to/Make_a_Glycerite explains a glycerite with use of heat

    http://www.sheknows.com/food-and-recipes/articles/977495/homemade-flavored-extracts another with different bases for tinctures(alcohol)

    But both of these ways once understood can be used with fruits, berries, nuts, herbs, et al to make different extracts.
    Hope this clears it up a little more.
     
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    Actually it kind of proves the point above. All the methods you cite are designed to extract flavor from a solid of some sort. That would be great if one wanted a coffee, or vanilla, or herb extract. To make a tincture you in fact use more alcohol.

    What I have is a liquid. A quantity of single malt Scotch. The Lord's own blessing. I wish to add this as a flavor to my tobacco brew. Other than burning off as much alcohol as possible, I don't see a way to properly extract the flavor. This method works as there are e-juices that use small amount of alcohol. The problem with this method is that the flavor is not strong. The only solution seems to use larger quantities of Scotch to provide a small amount of concentrated flavor.

    Any help toward this goal would be greatly appreciated.
     
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    Well heating it into a syrup and then taking that and adding it to the glycerin should work pretty well or seeing as it is an alcohol it could in theory be added to your mix in it's syrup form.
     
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    If you boil the alcohol out of the scotch, aren't you left with a sugary suryp? How do you get rid of the sugar?
     
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    This is too complicated for me lol
     
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    Not sure to be perfectly honest. You may need to use a micromesh sieve by pushing the syrup through to try to pull out some of the sugar but that is only a theory. I would think there isn't a way to extract the sugars out or it is a process a company can afford that the normal person can't.
     
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    Actually the liquid I that resulted was a thin concentrate of the Scotch. I would imagine that sugars would vary per liquor.

    A long while back, vaping wise, I added some Drambuie to a mixture of e-juice. I used it in an RSST. I was using the thicker 3mm steel 7x7 rope. That is how I found that rope will wick anything. The taste was quite good. Sweet Whiskey and tobacco.

    If anyone were to try this WARNING, the rope gets very hot and retains the heat. Do not let it rest on the tank!

    p.s. I had forgotten about this until I cleaned out my vaping tool and supply box.
     
  25. Scuba-Matt

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    Even if there are trace amounts of sugar, It's going to build up on the coil and give a burnt taste. Every liquor including scotch have a lot of sugar. I'm not even sure if its safe to vape trace amounts of sugar.
     
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    That is true. Carbon does build up on the coil. I had to clean it every other day of heavy use. As such, avoided the burnt taste. That is the best thing about the genny atomizers. The coil is easily accessible.

    I can only verify for myself, that I received no harm from that sugar rich juice.
     
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    Well to be honest there are many eliquids have sugar in them to increase sweetness so the sugar from a condensed liquor would be no different. Coils get crusty just the nature of the beast if you clean your coils periodically it should be a moot point.
     
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    Essiential Oils.A .1 of a ml to 10 mls pg,shake and steep 3 days then mix at 10-20 % like reg flavoring.Makes good juice with the use of no alcohol.
     
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    Zeolite 3A Molecular Sieve. They use this to refine Ethenol to 95%-99% to mix with gasoline and burn in cars. There maybe other size molecular sieves also. I am not sure if this would also extract the flavoring from the ethanol? However it can be regenerated by heating it so you maybe able to heat the zeolite and condense the flavors from within? Above my knowledge, but a place to start.
    It is basically like little beads of ceramic/stone that have certain size pores sructures to absorb molecules bigger than the ethanol. pm me if you want a contact.
     
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    This is a very interesting thread, its great to see interest on this subject.
     
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    I just bought a "fifth" of pure grain alcohol and it cost me 15.00 I can make 20 gallons for about 35.00. But it's not worth the risk of getting caught by the man. The gov'ment don't like their source of money threatened by anything.
     
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    I ike using smooth tobaccos with pretty much anything minty or fruity
     
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    I saw on a blog or someplace (I am reading so much on diy I can't keep track) about making a coffee extract. Can't remember where I saved it from so sorry to whoever made it initially! A heaping tablespoon of freshly ground coffee in 15ml - 25ml of PG mixed in a glass jar then heated in a simmering water bath for about 20 minutes, then filtered yields a very strong coffee extract. Mix about 2% - 10% in e-juice for a very fresh tasting coffee that doesn't taste burnt like many coffee flavourings. It really is a good extract. So that got me thinking about tea. So I did the same thing using three tea bags in the PG. I made some christmas tea ejuice that has been a hit with all my friends. Not sure if it is the best thing to be vaping so maybe someone here can let me know!
     
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    Some guy figured out how to make powdered alcohol & they already want it outlawed because Kids can get ahold of it. Had a recipe in my head, but NO, . News tip Idiots, Kids can get anything anyway, I know, I was one. I like everclear to thin my juice for different flavors.
     
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    I was thanking of trying to make a tequila flavor by bringing it to a soft boil till the alcohol disapates then adding it to pg. I haven't tried it yet but will share the results when I do.
     
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    Alcohol makes a recipe better, lungs don't deal well with liquids like water. Alch atomizes into vapor water don't.
     
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    V/V extraction is another way to 'move' soluble elements from one to another. One polar, one non-polar. (via Separation Funnel)

    Although it requires using a still (condenser) to get rid of the solvent. You could boil it off, but Ethanol has a few uses.

    And most non-polar solvents are 'dangerous' Diethyl Ether is the most common one.

    Incoming! Salvia eJuice ... lol
     
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    I made a cup of coffee, put it in my distiller, got distilled water with old coffee taste, added 10% to VG and vaped it. Could not taste the coffee. I don't think it is done like that.. Will try some real heavy coffee tomorrow.. Anyhow using distilled water would not harm, remember water is not only water. Once a year I forget to time the distiller, the leftover in the distiller is black then.. If anybody want's to boil of alcohol, remember you need approx 5 hours fluid in the open, temperature below 100C or you boil the water out as well.
     
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    I ran a few stills for years. Both pot stills and column stills. If there is a way to extract my own flavours then I might fire them up again.
    From memory:
    A pot still will grab whatever flavour is in the still, absinthe for example is made this way. A column fractional still will give a stronger alc% with less flavours but seeing as you're able to seperate all the different fractions in the alc you'll be able to get certain flavours at different temps.
    During your different cuts for both Stills:
    Foreshots down the drain as they're awful and dangerous
    Heads contain lots of flavours, you'll have to play about with them to seperate the nice ones.
    Body is quite flavourless
    Tails are tasty at the beginning then fade into a awful damp cardboarb taste, down the drain..
    So as the distillate starts to flow, throw Foreshots, keep Heads in small jars to seperate individual flavours and the same with Tails until flavour starts to pong.
    Not sure if you can store the tasty distillate with pg/vg for a few months then drive the low boiling point alc off by simmering in water bath. Sounds doable.
    The sugar, colour and some flavour in whisky/bourbon comes from the oak barrels its stored in. Not sure about extracting those sugars, sorry.
     
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    Welcome to the Forum!

    Until I can't buy flavors, distillation is not something I'm going to do. I can see it as a fun hobby for some.

    Ron
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    "You can tell it's good if you light it and a blue flame comes up; that means it's good moonshine and it won't make you go blind."- Johnny Knoxville
     
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    I would be extremely careful and only do it if you know exactly what the end result would be. I remember reading a flavor art lab test that showed vaping homemade flavoring from coffee grounds and bean were actually far more harmful than cigarettes, cant remember the how and whys. Ill try to find it. after I read that though I decided to stop trying to make my own extracts,
     
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    Hi there. I was wondering would it be save to use 99.9% food grade isopropyl to exstract flavours? I would ensure I boiled it all away before vaping?
     

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