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  1. Wb80

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    All i use. Love it
     
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    IMO luck has got very little to do with it. I mean, yes I am well aware that .08 ohms on a single battery mech with the Samsung 30T is vaping way above the CDR of the battery, which is 35A for the Samsung 30T, but no, even in the highly unlikely event that my mech starts auto-firing on me, there's simply no chance I'm letting the battery get discharged continuously for longer than the time it takes for it to end up being just warm, never hot. Everyone is responsible for their own safety so for me I make damned sure the mech will have been safely disarmed a very long time before the battery even stands a fraction of a chance to start getting anywhere near warm. When I'm vaping like this it doesn't even get lukewarm because I put the mod down and I let the battery rest before that can ever happen. But I am also well aware that, on the inside of the battery, there are areas where it can get up to several degrees warmer than the outside surface of the battery.

    So I also account for that as well, not just by never letting the battery get warm, but also by sufficiently waiting between consecutive pulls to let that internal concentration of heat spread itself out from those areas, and also by taking pulls that only last 2 seconds at most. (In fact it is next to impossible to take longer pulls with this particular build in this particular setup because that's just how fast you need to pull air through it for it to not taste burned so it just fills my lungs with vapor in less than 2 seconds... it has pretty much instant rampup, and, I never deep inhale as I'm not a cloud chaser and I don't have big lungs.) So the local internal heat buildup also is limited adequately as a result from combining all of the aforementioned preemptive actions into genuine awareness patterns responsively rather than being just another jackass. Further, the potential risk of me letting the button get pressed inadvertently while the mech is stored in my pocket is roughly the same risk as dying as a result from walking in the woods at night when, suddenly, a billiards table falls out of a tree.
     
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    Ok, I decided to finally try Rayon in a series tube. I wound some coils to bring up the resistance in my og Goon 24 on the XXX to .34. Quad twisted 30ga Ni80 wrapped with 36ga Kanthal.

    One thing is undeniable. Rayon is WAY more absorbent than cotton. Every kind of cotton I've tried. I wicked it quite tight and left some meaty tails in the wells. Not full, but laying fully in there.

    I'd done this with various cottons many times, but never with Rayon. I dripped down the middle on the clamps allowing the juice to get to the well without really touching the coils. Cap off.

    The juice was changing the color of the Rayon and climbing up to the coils in seconds. No cotton I've ever had is even close. That by itself isn't everything, but, just like everybody says, Rayon wicks FAAAST.
     
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    Love rayon. All i use now
     
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    Guess I'll be the outlander - can't stand Rayon - I can literally taste the stuff, no dry hits needed
     
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    That happens to me if I don't stuff enough Rayon into the coil. It needs to be really tight. I actually set up cotton wicks quite tight too, but not as much as with Rayon.

    Rayon setups can also slightly change the flavor profile of your juice. Rayon wicks different so coils will tend to be wetter and that can do it I think.

    But that's just my opinion, I've never felt the need to really try to figure it out. Whatever is really happening, if you don't like the flavor change it's probably not for you.
     
  7. obijuan77

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    I have noticed that certain rayon brands will have a 'break-in' taste. YMMV

    Personally, the Sally's rayon coil does not give me any break in taste at all but the Tidi rayon balls do. I have also noticed that between these 2 the tidi balls seem to be a thicker rayon than the Sally's, but the tidi balls also tend to last me longer between rewicking. Maybe this has something to do with it?

    Thicker rayon = break in taste?
     
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    I bought a box of cellucotton at Sally Beauty Supply for $12 in 2011 and it will last me the rest of my life.
     
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    What brand of Rayon was that you so generously sent me a good while back.
     
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    I just got a 40 foot box from a beauty supply place on Ebay (or Amazon?) for 8 bucks after shipping.

    Inspired by @BobsHere trick with wicking the Profile, I've been experimenting with rolling a piece of cotton and and a piece of Rayon together. Shooting for the strong points of each.
     
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    Nah I'm with you there. Tried rayon, not a fan. Just don't like the taste of it and pretty sure that's what's blended into cotton bacon. They can claim it's cotton all day long but cotton doesn't squeak like that. I still seem to get better wicking off regular old muji pads. Cotton bacon does the same thing for me as rayon, it's like dry tasting. Juicy wicks and dry as fuck vape. Great for all those who love it, just not my cup of tea.
     
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    I use both depending on application. Can't taste rayon, only taste cotton during break in.
    Coils are same, I taste metal with ni80, can't taste kanthal. For some it's just the opposite.
     
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    I have been doing this also. I like to take some muji cotton and just roll a thin layer of rayon on the outside. It's been working absolutely wonderful in some of my leaky tanks. The cotton basically stays saturated, and the rayon wicks directly from the cotton. No more leaks, and it tastes like if it were just rayon to me. I still haven't really tested for longevity yet. Working on that......
     
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    So far I've tried the opposite. Rayon core and and cotton toward the coil. For the same general reason though. Rayon pulling the juice into the cotton from the inside of the wick. I have some other imperfections in those builds preventing me from getting a true representation of the results though. Only so many hours in a day :)
     
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    Yes, rayon is just absolutely horrific in every possible way... I already pointed that out previously in the thread. Cotton Bacon, if the wicks are saturated it always gives me a really wet taste. With good coils a dry taste only occurs if the wicking job is poorly done and/or if the airflow setting, the strength of your draw, the positioning of the coils, and the wattage setting aren't all working fully in balance with each other... not knowing how to properly wick is a common mistake with Cotton Bacon because the fibers are so tightly compressed that you really need to prepare the piece of cotton that you tore off, scrubbing it between your fingertips and rolling it with the palms of your hands before you can finally insert it into the coils. I know this takes additional time, but it pays off, and, people who love it are loving it exactly because of the paying off part. In the video below, even though the ends of the wicks don't necessarily have to be routed the way that he does because that obviously depends on what you have, you can see what I mean about preparing the piece of cotton first.

     
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    Huckleberried sent me some and I've only used cotton bacon a few times since. I'm loving rayon.
     
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    You really need to learn to just speak your mind and stop being so afraid to give your opinion :rolleyes:
     
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    You're right, I admit... rayon is also absolutely horrific in every impossible way, too. :giggle:
     
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    I'm not going to be able to go long with you here. It's actually working quite good even in a higher powered mech setup. :) Definitely alot of subjectivity here.
     
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    I've met multiple dozens of people who vape their mechs at or above 120 watts on Ni80 complex coil builds (mostly aliens and fraliens) and have met them in person due to the fact online sales of vaping products are banned in my country so that causes more people who are passionate about mechs to get together in person at those specific B&M stores that are run by people who are also experienced mech users themselves. Many of these dozens of mech users I've met are strictly using mechs and have been building these build types much more frequently than I have, and for a lot longer, but around these parts not a single person has ever agreed with what you just said... after almost two years of wanting to keep an open mind about this particular subject I just quit asking people because the answers were all clearly pointing in the same direction so, even though you won't hear me deny that everyone's opinion on this is still nonetheless subjective, over here, they are not only being unanimous, but also they all told me that everyone that they themselves had met was unanimous also.
     
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    Well fair enough. I certainly can't tell you that anything you said isn't true. What I can tell you is that I brought the build up to 3.4 for this test, which yes is only about 120 watts. In the XXX and the copper og Goon 24. 2070Cs. Next, I'll bring the build back down some but this setup is vaping good. I mean I can't deny that. It wicks great and tastes great.
     
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    I suppose you mean .34 ohms, not 3.4, but on a stacked XXX with the Sanyo NCR2070C this would translate to about 171-172 watts, give or take, not 120, but anyway... not sure what kind of build you're using so I can't compare.
     
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    Yes, .34. I was going on 7.4 volts, but that's why I shouldn't do math in my head. :wait:
     
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    No worries. In a dual battery series mech the DC IR of the battery you're using is doubled, so 2×.0157 ohms for the Sanyo NCR2070C. 8.4 volts / (.34 ohms + 2×.0157 ohms) = 8.4 / .3714 = 22.617 amps. Also, 22.617 amps × 2×.0157 ohms = .71 volts of voltage sag, and, (8.4 - .71) × 22.617 = near 174 watts. (Subtract a few watts to account for the power loss resulting from the voltage drop of the stacked XXX mod itself.)
     
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    I didn't know where else to put this.

    Not perfect, but definitely FASCINATING

    Seems to lend some credence to the efficacy of my recent experiments with wrapping rayon in Japanese pads.
     
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    Hmm, I'd considered your wrap a few months ago.. What did you discover? I'd already ascertained that the rayon vs cotton varied about where and what they worked with. Always seemed it might be useful to wrap a core of rayon with a shell of organic.
     
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    Well, I'm not going to call it revolutionary or anything, but it sure does work. This video confirms my suspicions. The best of both worlds. A rayon core for speed and a cotton wrap for volume. I originally thought of it because of the way rayon shrinks when wet.

    I've done it with a flat piece of each roiled together too.
     
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    Does it prefer RDA or RTA? (Yes, I found my choices had their own preferences - bastards)
     
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    I don't think how you did it would make quite as much difference with an RDA, and with an RTA it seems it would depend on the RTA and how it's being vaped.

    The ratio of rayon to cotton would matter too.

    Do you want more juice retention because it's higher power and you're chain vaping it? Or is it lower power and not being chain vaped? Both speed and volume matter more in the former scenario.

    As with everything, it seems that experimentation is key.
     
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    I agree, it's fascinating. I use Profiles on my squonks, but I've come to really like the Profile Unity. However, I could only get cotton to work properly in the Unity while only using Rayon in the Profiles. Now, I'm going to try this hybrid in both out of curiosity.
     
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    Yes it will. I use it in my stacks with my Serial Killer coils.
     
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    I am having great success with the "hybrid" wicking scheme as described above. It seems that rayon and cotton each have their strong points. I have the 40ft version of that box btw. :D
     
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    i used rayon in a mech a few times. one time i took the cap off, the wick looked like freak'n Medusa in there :eek:.
    went back to cotton.
     
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