cigalike advances

Discussion in 'Cigalikes - Stick Batteries, Proprietary Systems' started by monsterlove, Apr 1, 2017.

  1. monsterlove

    monsterlove New Member

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    I used to have a joyetech eroll, and I'm interested in what has changed in the years since that came out. I see migcigs has a chip in one of theirs that keeps a constant voltage so no diminishing vape as the battery depletes. I see the Vuse has an app where you can monitor the charge and puffs left on their ecig (useless imo but app controls for cigalikes is a very good idea, or uploading settings from a PCC). What else?

    After looking for a while it looks like the market is pretty stagnant. No real developments, poor design aesthetics and features, no premium options...the joyetech eroll came out around 4 years ago - great design but plenty of issues. It seems no one took that eroll and improved it, even with all these years gone by. If you google 'best cigalikes' you'll be looking at years old technology. That is sad.
     
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    If you check out the juul or the myjet you'll see where the technology went. Even though these device don't look like a cigarette I find myself doing the same things I used to do with a cig (holding it between my index & middle finger, hanging it from my mouth, holding it with my teeth). If you pair these devices with an ejuice with nicotine salts (like the juul) there's hope for people that want that cigarette feel but don't want to smoke.


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    Yes, the pod type vapes are new, and they are kinda cigalikes. Is there anything new about them though other than the shape? Most of them seem to have expensive proprietary pod systems that don't officially refill too, which is kind've a step backwards imo.

    I guess like most tech things the real changes will come when the next wave of battery hits. There were stories about 'solid state' batteries recently that are 3 times as powerful as lithium ion, smaller and safer. Three times as powerful means devices can be three times smaller. A cigalike with the power of an 18650 would really be something. That is quite a way off though.
     
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    Rickajho Gold Contributor ECF Refugee

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    Take a look at the eleaf Icare series. They have 4 models that are in the cigalike style range. Some are auto fire models, at least one has a fire button. They are all a refillable tank design that use the same replaceable coil head.

    IMO the MigCig stuff is outdated and overpriced for what it is.
     
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    JuicyLucy My name is Lucy and I am a squonkaholic VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 1 Year ECF Refugee

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    Check out the Von Erl - amazing little device.

    They sell the pods as disposable, but they can be hacked
     
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    Yes, the iCare Mini seems impressive for its size: 15 watts max, 320 mah, 1.3ml tank. I don't really like the inhaler/pod design personally, but I appreciate it and they seem good.

    What is outdated about the migcig, by the way? I see it in terms of design, and it is long, but what else? What would it need to be more current? More mahs, bigger tank, smaller size, more modern aesthetics?

    Also, I notice every reply so far has mentioned only the new 'cigalikes', as in, pod style things that don't actually look like cigarettes. Am I to infer that nothing has changed for that market that actually makes devices that look like cigarettes? It seems that way.
     
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    Rickajho Gold Contributor ECF Refugee

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    The market for cigalikes has pretty much dried up. You know it's died off when a mainstay like Joyetech discontinued their cigalikes. (And even their eGo battery line is pretty much gone now as well.)

    MigCigs? Welp for one that that "chip" they are touting is over 5 years old and was never earth shattering news. The Joyetech E-roll cigalikes came - and went - with a fixed 3.7 volt output as well.

    My biggest objection is their technology is waaay overpriced. Sheesh - the price on their 2 battery "Economy" kit is $46.95! (The original Joyetech 2 battery 510 kit was only $35.00) And their cigalikes use proprietary connectors - so you will be forever locked in to buying from a single vendor. Never a good thing with e-cig gear. No one is playing that game any more with proprietary connectors - except for a handful of places like this selling overpriced gear and trying to convince you it's the "worlds best" e-cigarette.

    To a point you could say the same thing about the Icare stuff. Sure - it's not compatible with anything else but the replacement coils sold for it. But at least that's known and eleaf isn't trying to hide that point either.

    For what you are getting, comparatively it's also a lot less expensive than MigCigs gear as well. You can get eleaf gear - or the other gear people have mentioned in this thread - from multiple vendors at competitive discount pricing. Can't say the same for MigCigs.
     
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    I wondered why the eroll was discontinued. It had almost a cult following. Ovale, who originally designed it, now sell the emini duo, which is basically an eroll but the case now holds two, slightly bigger battery and it all screws together instead of clipping. It's been out for over a year though and it's as though it doesn't even exist on the internet, no reviews, nothing.

    It makes sense that the market died though. It was always full of crap, and so people always treated them as for beginners, 'starter kits' etc Thing is though, in the future I have no doubt the form will return, because why not? When you can fit the performance of a box mod into a cigalike, no one would choose the box. This is fantasy land though right now. It's a shame there is nothing good enough though to bridge the gap between now and then.
     
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    Another one that came - and went - in fairly recent history was the Kanger E-smart cigalikes. Without looking it up, as I recall those were 320 mAh batteries as well. Standard 510 connectors (they even made an 808 version) so the batteries weren't limited to just one thing, but Kanger had matching E-smart clearos for the setups. Overall they were slightly larger than what would be stock cigalike size, but still in that comfort zone for people looking for something small.

    As with all these things - if the market isn't there and it's just not selling it dies in the marketplace.
     
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    Highly recommend the My Von Erl. Been rocking this thing 95% of my vaping time and it's great. Pods are incredibly easy to refill and even re-wick. Working on attempting to recoil a pod but think going to need a few more tools to make it a bit easier to do. Very stealthy device and you can use any micro usb charger. Hunt around online and you can pick up pods for around 7.50 to 8 bucks for the von erl branded juice and 9.50 to 10.50 usually for some bigger name stuff like cuttwood, etc. 90% of the vape shops in my area carry the pods also which is nice usually run about 11 bucks for the von erl brand juice pods. Hell 30 bucks will get you a starter kit with a pod and you can refill that pod a few times (depending on juice some video claim 5 to 6 but my vanilla custard mr salt-e destroys gunks the coils fast after two pods full usually).
     
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    Am trying to figure out a way to dry burn the coils without having to inhale, lol

    Got one of these for my cousin, and she has rewicked/refilled a couple of the pods over 20 times
     
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    Thx for the tips, gang. I tried charging my eRoll the other day, getting ready for helping my son make the transition, but Im not sure it works anymore; it acted weird when I tried to charge the PCC and then the individual units. Nice to know there might be something else out there that coud potentially help someone make the initial transition.

    Andria
     
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    I just tried to dry burn one same method I've seen on youtube videos for myjet coils. I pulled the tabs back on the bottom and popped the coil and tabs out and torched the coil to get the gunk off it. Then slid the tabs back in and rewicked the coil. So far so good, the coils are tiny and seem to be made backwards (like making a coil for serpent mini). It got me thinking tho these metal tabs might be very easy to make. I was gonna contact my buddy engineer that works in a machine shop. See if I toss him a couple of bucks and some metal if he could make me same size tabs but with a whole in them or something to wrap the coil ends around. Will see he's good with designing stuff and making it in the shop lol.
     
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    On a regular cigalike you can blow gently from the wrong end through the airflow to get it to activate the coil. Maybe there's an airflow on the von erl you can blow through for a similar effect?
     
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    Nothing like eRoll :(
    (tried Mlife M1 - stay away from this. Total crap!)
     
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    Have you all seen this cigalike yet?
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    Nothing like eRoll
    (tried Mlife M1 - stay away from this. Total crap!)[/QUOTE]

    Looks like a new & improved eRoll. I think you can order them from the Chinese venders too.
     

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