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So say I wanted to make my own Clapton wire. What would y'all recommend would be the "best" wire guages with which to start? E.g.: 32 ga. wrapped around 26 ga.? Or, perhaps putting it another way: The most generally useful result? E.g.: The resulting wire which is most useful and the widest array of decks?

I'm more a flavour chaser than a cloud chaser, if that matters.
 

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[shrugs]

I don't know what is "best" or in trend.

I've used supplies that I have on hand.
24 gauge core(single strand twisted in a drill to straighten) and wrapped 32 gauge around the outside. 5 wraps each coil (duals) came to like .35 ohms. 2 MM ID on the coils.

They were ok. Not a game changer for me.
 

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Thanks, @freemind. I may or may not mess with it. If I decide to do so, it'd be nice to know, in advance, what I'd need or want to do.

TBH: Other than the coil pr0n aspect: I'm dubious about the positive aspects of Fancy Wire. But, hell, the coil pr0n reason may be reason enough. Adding racing stripes to a car doesn't make it go any faster, but they can still look cool :)
 

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TBH, they are not very hard to make, using the pen method. I don't even anchor the other end of the core wire down to a swivel. If I made many, I probably would.

Made the core wire about 20 inches long. That was plenty of wire for two coils.

They even fit through my universal tool to coil them (like a Kuro coiler).

Also, as a note, I don't like 2 mm ID coils. I like em 3 mm and bigger. Easier to wick.
 

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I find the best is a Fused Clapton as anything more then that the results plateau. A clapton and Fused clapton are great due to its ability to wick efficiently and hold/vaporize more juice by having more surface area. I find a thinner outer wrap still gives the properties that clapton wires are known for but reduces the "heatsink effect" that they are bundled with. The thinner the outer wrap the less ramp up time and lower wattage it needs to do its job.

My favorite Clapton wire is 26K/38N80 and my Favorite Fused Clapton is 22K/46N60
Using thinner outer wrap also allows the wires to be used in smaller RTA/RBA/RDA's without compromising the vape quality. If you can fit a parallel 28g in a RBA/RTA then you can fit a 2 x 30g/40g Fused Clapton and make the experience much more flavorful and warm. I call these smaller Claptons/Fused Claptons Micro and Nano Claptons/Fused Claptons. Here's some pics of size differences of using smaller and smaller cores/outer wrap in Fused Claptons. Giving the same vape in RTA/RBAs that didnt have the ability for those types of coils before can now enjoy the same type of experience with these used in them.
In the Second Picture, to the left/bottom side is some 26g and 28g single wire for a size reference
Micro and Nano Fused Claptons  .jpgMicro and Nano Fused Claptons.jpg

This is the Smallest Thinner Fused Clapton Ive ever made...Its 2 x 32K/52N60, as you can see the Macro Lens can capture the details of the woodgrain and penny (Hard to see with Human Eye) but it cant even clarify the detail between the Outer Wrap of the Fused Clapton, You cant even feel the outer wrap's wraps s the wire is 1/10th the thickness of human hair.
26K 50N60 Fused Clapton Wire .jpg26K 50N60 Fused Clapton Wire.jpg
 
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TBH: Other than the coil pr0n aspect: I'm dubious about the positive aspects of Fancy Wire. But, hell, the coil pr0n reason may be reason enough. Adding racing stripes to a car doesn't make it go any faster, but they can still look cool :)
If you want to stick with single Claptons, then the lower the gauge of your wrap, the better flavor you'll get. The whole point of a Clapton is to trap juice in the crevices of the outer wire. Hence, more flavor. You could also run a parallel Clapton coil. As raymo2u suggested, the fused Clapton is the starting point for the best in flavor builds, and are pretty easy to make. The reason being, there's more space to trap the juice within/between the core wires, trapped by the wrap. With fused Claptons, the smaller the outer wrap, the more flavor.

But...

As much coilporn that's available here, my 3 favorite builds for flavor are:

3 - Fused Clapton - excellent flavor, kicks ass on the regular Clapton.
2 - Alien Clapton - even better flavor, kicks ass on the fused Clapton.
1 - Staple coil - Flavor=Yowza! They're a pain to build (at first), but there isn't a better flavor build out there. Unfortunately, they're also very low in resistance, so you're limited in what you can use for your setup.
Hope this helps,
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That must be a pain is the ass to wrap. :p
LOL I think you wouldnt even notice the Cores if that was right and that it would need to be in a trash can sized rda to fit....haha

I dont really notice when that happens since the spell checker lights almost everything up in red and its hard to pick out everything when proof reading afterwards...Also some of my laptop buttons are soo hard to press or dont do anything unless pressed repeatedly so it happens alot when typing, especially how fast I type.
I will have a whole new home build tower since this laptop is shitting the bed, ill just take out the updated pieces and put them into something else..
 

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LOL I think you wouldnt even notice the Cores if that was right and that it would need to be in a trash can sized rda to fit....haha

trashcan, jumper cables and a car battery. good to go, lol
 

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i twisted up a set of Double Helix Clapton today. dual, 28K36K/32K38K, 5wr2.5mm, .47ohm.

i think by far the best cloud and taste coils i've put in my Velocity.

edit: wrong wire gauge. corrected
 
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I skimmed through everyone's posts, and what I've personally seen is 36g wrap is where you want to start. The higher the wrap gauge the more juice you trap but you also kill ramp up and get a warmer vape. I would also say start with fused claptons, imo they're just as easy to wrap and there's no spring to them like a regular Clapton. Generally in dual coils 2x26k/36n80 works great from 60-100w and does good on mechs and 2x28k/36n80 works good from about 40-65w. I personally wouldn't venture into 24-22g cores unless your just cloud chasing.

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I skimmed through everyone's posts, and what I've personally seen is 36g wrap is where you want to start. The higher the wrap gauge the more juice you trap but you also kill ramp up and get a warmer vape. I would also say start with fused claptons, imo they're just as easy to wrap and there's no spring to them like a regular Clapton. Generally in dual coils 2x26k/36n80 works great from 60-100w and does good on mechs and 2x28k/36n80 works good from about 40-65w. I personally wouldn't venture into 24-22g cores unless your just cloud chasing.

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@vuJim : if that is what you read as well, i'll step in here hopefully to help clarify things for you, before you head down a road of complete frustration. this is from my own personal experience...........

i started with a 26N/32K Clapton. for me, this was a perfect place to start wrapping cores. the 26g is a great foundation to build on. the 32g gave me good flavour, AND is a perfect size to learn the Clapton wrap. i could easily see the wrap wire as it did its thing. once i had a handle on the 32g, i then went to the 36g, etc, etc.

there was mention about the value of compound builds being like stripes added to a race car. starting with a Fused Clapton would be like hoping into a race car after just getting your license.

just my thoughts :)

edit: final thought on wrapping a Clapton. when you get to the end of your foundation, stop, push the wrap down to get all the wraps to touch, and then while holding the wrap wire in place spin the drill, this will help tighten the wrap to the core and snug the wraps up.
 
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My favorite is 28gx2 40g n80 I can fit that size in anything. My goblin mini and bellus both have those type of coils. Flavor for years not days :)

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@vuJim : if that is what you read as well, i'll step in here hopefully to help clarify things for you, before you head down a road of complete frustration. this is from my own personal experience...........

i started with a 26N/32K Clapton. for me, this was a perfect place to start wrapping cores. the 26g is a great foundation to build on. the 32g gave me good flavour, AND is a perfect size to learn the Clapton wrap. i could easily see the wrap wire as it did its thing. once i had a handle on the 32g, i then went to the 36g, etc, etc.
I think this is the advice I was seeking. And it confirms my own thoughts.

I've been doing electronic-y things for, well, over a half-century, now, it seems. As you can imagine: I've dealt with a lot of different wire, wire types, wire sizes, etc. My gut feel, after building some coils, was that 32 ga around a 26 ga core was probably where I wanted to start.
 

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What a great thread.
Thank you all

How would 26k/34ni or 26k/36ni

Fused Clapton

Goon rda

I like flavor and clouds

Usually do dual coil between 0.15 & .20 with wattage around 90 on reg mods

I've also got mech mods
 

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As a rookie i'll chime in so its not just the professionals making it seem sooooo easy. Which i will say from experience is that it really is.

Single core claptons piss me off to no end for some reason but fused claptons seem to come pretty easy to me. It is stupid easy to do once you find your rhythm and is a game changer in the flavor department. With a drill and a couple ball bearing swivels you can bang out a few coils in minutes.

This was my very first attempt at fused claptons. Turned out pretty well and they were 2x26N80/32K 3mm ID 5 wraps @.19ohms

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After a few builds similar to this i decided to step up to using 40g for my wrap and with a little practice they are pretty easy to run now also.

My very first 40g wrapped coils. 2x24gSS316L/40gN80 3mm ID 7 wraps @.12

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Another rookie, here. I finally got off my ass and tried claptons, and I found it really isn't that difficult. My eyesight is my biggest problem. I'm about a +3. Gotta get me some of those magnifying goggle things to make life easier.
I'm working towards aliens and variations of aliens. So far, I've done dual fused and staggered dual fused claptons. I'm holding too much tension on the spool for triple core, so I need to work on that. But all in all, I don't find it very difficult.

First fused: 2x26K/36SS316L
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First staggered fused: 2x26K/36SS316L/34SS316L
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Hey guys, I am so glad right now that I found this thread.
I am a rookie in building my own coils and have used prebuilt wire a lot, especially claptons with 26x32g.

My problem is that I vape mechs in series configuration only. So my resistance usually is somewhere in between 0.4 and 0.5 Ohms and with all that fancy coils you are way below down that. So a year ago I buyed some UD Claptons (26x32g) and they turned to be perfect for my series builds. But everywhere on the interweb it is said that Fused claptons are the next level in terms of flavor. So I decided to give them a go and want to build them on my own. I am a bit concerned right now because I think my fused claptons won't fit into my RDA.

So any suggestions on what to build for a series configuration? I played a lot with steam-engine and I think I will try 28x2gA1/38gA1, but I have to have at least 8 wraps for 0.4 Ohms. This seems a little bit too much for my Recoil RDA. 8 wraps @ 3mm ID with regular 26x32g claptons fit in perfect.

Best case scenario: has anyone used the recoil on a series mech mod with fused claptons?

//Edit:

My concerns were unfounded. 28gx2 KA1 / 38g KA1 fit in perfectly. They are the same size as 26x32g KA1 with 3mm ID @ 8 wraps. Flavorwise I have to say that these coils are a level above regular claptons. I am pretty excited on what to build next :)
 
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Hey guys, I am so glad right now that I found this thread.
I am a rookie in building my own coils and have used prebuilt wire a lot, especially claptons with 26x32g.

My problem is that I vape mechs in series configuration only. So my resistance usually is somewhere in between 0.4 and 0.5 Ohms and with all that fancy coils you are way below down that. So a year ago I buyed some UD Claptons (26x32g) and they turned to be perfect for my series builds. But everywhere on the interweb it is said that Fused claptons are the next level in terms of flavor. So I decided to give them a go and want to build them on my own. I am a bit concerned right now because I think my fused claptons won't fit into my RDA.

So any suggestions on what to build for a series configuration? I played a lot with steam-engine and I think I will try 28x2gA1/38gA1, but I have to have at least 8 wraps for 0.4 Ohms. This seems a little bit too much for my Recoil RDA. 8 wraps @ 3mm ID with regular 26x32g claptons fit in perfect.

Best case scenario: has anyone used the recoil on a series mech mod with fused claptons?

//Edit:

My concerns were unfounded. 28gx2 KA1 / 38g KA1 fit in perfectly. They are the same size as 26x32g KA1 with 3mm ID @ 8 wraps. Flavorwise I have to say that these coils are a level above regular claptons. I am pretty excited on what to build next :)
Find a series rda and your mind will be blown. @r055co can let you know more but it's an rda where the positive is on one side the negative on the other and a neutral post in the middle.

Using this instead of having a .1 dual coil you will have a .4 ohm dual coil
 
As a rookie i'll chime in so its not just the professionals making it seem sooooo easy. Which i will say from experience is that it really is.

Single core claptons piss me off to no end for some reason but fused claptons seem to come pretty easy to me. It is stupid easy to do once you find your rhythm and is a game changer in the flavor department. With a drill and a couple ball bearing swivels you can bang out a few coils in minutes.

This was my very first attempt at fused claptons. Turned out pretty well and they were 2x26N80/32K 3mm ID 5 wraps @.19ohms

Hdt9BpPh.jpg


After a few builds similar to this i decided to step up to using 40g for my wrap and with a little practice they are pretty easy to run now also.

My very first 40g wrapped coils. 2x24gSS316L/40gN80 3mm ID 7 wraps @.12

RcX9ow2.jpg
I had someone send me a troll v2 rda with these type of coils. What kind of clapton is this, and does anyone here sell them? Been looking at them on ebay. Have no clue what size to get. I like a lot of flavor, but don't mind a nice cloud along with it. The rda seems to be set up for a cloud chaser. They are really big coils. It's reading at .12 ohms. It gets way too hot, and tons of spitback.
 
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I had someone send me a troll v2 rda with these type of coils. What kind of clapton is this, and does anyone here sell them? Been looking at them on ebay. Have no clue what size to get. I like a lot of flavor, but don't mind a nice cloud along with it. The rda seems to be set up for a cloud chaser. They are really big coils. It's reading at .12 ohms. It gets way too hot, and tons of spitback. Trying to find the size of a

Fused Claptons 2x24gSS316L/40gN80 3mm ID 7 wraps @.12

Specifically -- two 24g core Stainless Steel wires (supports TC / Temp Control), then wrapped with 40g Nichrome80 wire.

@raymo2u or @b_d_builders can build damn near any coil you could dream up.

I don't know if @Whiskeywarrior sells, but I know he can build a damn good looking coil as well.
 
Fused Claptons 2x24gSS316L/40gN80 3mm ID 7 wraps @.12

Specifically -- two 24g core Stainless Steel wires (supports TC / Temp Control), then wrapped with 40g Nichrome80 wire.

@raymo2u or @b_d_builders can build damn near any coil you could dream up.

I don't know if @Whiskeywarrior sells, but I know he can build a damn good looking coil as well.
Have a Hadaly coming. Would like to have some good coils for it. Haven't used RDA's much.I can do a basic build with kanthal.
 

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Sorry, first time using this. I tried to edit that comment, but couldn't find it.
This the atty you have?
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If so, that is a 22mm atty with a velocity style build decks.
If it were me, I would run a Fused Clapton 28g/38g or 28g/40g SS wire (I personally prefer SS wire) in it.

Comes in about .39Ω p/coil -- so a dual coil would put you in at about .19Ω
How hot you want it is up to the vapor. I would start at about 70W and work it up from there.

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Have a Hadaly coming. Would like to have some good coils for it. Haven't used RDA's much.I can do a basic build with kanthal.
My wife's Hadaly I usually just wrap up some simple 24 or 26g KA1 wire or 24 or 26g Ni80. Keep the coils a little spaced (not a contact coil) and she loves the flavor on it.
 

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Have a Hadaly coming. Would like to have some good coils for it. Haven't used RDA's much.I can do a basic build with kanthal.
Guess I should of asked before throwing coils specs --- what kind of MOD you going to be running this on. If regulated, then these coils setups will be good.
If non-regulated (MECH MOD) then I wouldn't run these coils.
 
Guess I should of asked before throwing coils specs --- what kind of MOD you going to be running this on. If regulated, then these coils setups will be good.
If non-regulated (MECH MOD) then I wouldn't run these coils.
I have a IPV3 200W, and a shitty Fuhattan mech mod.
 

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These coils would be good on your regulated MOD. --- I'm not a MECH MOD guy, so I won't even claim to know jack crap about them.
When dealing with MECH's --- I'll call in the MECH guys. :D

I'm not sure who "all" does the MECH thing yet, but I know r055co does for sure and has very good information on them / building for them.

@r055co
 

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Another rookie, here. I finally got off my ass and tried claptons, and I found it really isn't that difficult. My eyesight is my biggest problem. I'm about a +3. Gotta get me some of those magnifying goggle things to make life easier.
I'm working towards aliens and variations of aliens. So far, I've done dual fused and staggered dual fused claptons. I'm holding too much tension on the spool for triple core, so I need to work on that. But all in all, I don't find it very difficult.

First fused: 2x26K/36SS316L
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First staggered fused: 2x26K/36SS316L/34SS316L
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My eyesight is shit also, that's why I use a headloop like this, it makes all the difference.

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Hey guys, I am so glad right now that I found this thread.
I am a rookie in building my own coils and have used prebuilt wire a lot, especially claptons with 26x32g.

My problem is that I vape mechs in series configuration only. So my resistance usually is somewhere in between 0.4 and 0.5 Ohms and with all that fancy coils you are way below down that. So a year ago I buyed some UD Claptons (26x32g) and they turned to be perfect for my series builds. But everywhere on the interweb it is said that Fused claptons are the next level in terms of flavor. So I decided to give them a go and want to build them on my own. I am a bit concerned right now because I think my fused claptons won't fit into my RDA.

So any suggestions on what to build for a series configuration? I played a lot with steam-engine and I think I will try 28x2gA1/38gA1, but I have to have at least 8 wraps for 0.4 Ohms. This seems a little bit too much for my Recoil RDA. 8 wraps @ 3mm ID with regular 26x32g claptons fit in perfect.

Best case scenario: has anyone used the recoil on a series mech mod with fused claptons?

//Edit:

My concerns were unfounded. 28gx2 KA1 / 38g KA1 fit in perfectly. They are the same size as 26x32g KA1 with 3mm ID @ 8 wraps. Flavorwise I have to say that these coils are a level above regular claptons. I am pretty excited on what to build next :)

Pretty much all I ever Vape is fused Claptons. For Series on a regular parallel Deck I spin up some 30x2/38 or 32/2/40 Kanthal Fused Claptons around 0.6Ω which is where I like it. If I have a Series Deck like the Wismech Neutron, UWell Rafale X, Modfather RTA or RDA I use Stainless Steel and again around 0.6Ω.

Making fused Claptons is pretty easy. Just get a high speed drill, good quality ball bearing fishing spinners and rock and roll with it. Ditch that crap wire from UD and other's, wire sucks. Best wire that I recommend is

  • Kidney Puncher - Kanthal and SS
  • Atomizer Wick - Kanthal and SS
  • Temco - Kanthal and SS
All of the above the wire is smelted in Sweden and milled in the US, excellent quality. Plus their Kanthal is actual Sandvik who invented it and holds the trademark for it.
  • Pure Atomist - Kanthal (I haven't tried their SS, but the Kanthal is excellent)
Not sure where they get it from but I've had decent luck with it, clean and use it for my practice wire.

KBee wire sucks balls along with UD, the wire is absolutely filthy . There are a shit load other shit wire, especially crap that comes out of China and other places like KBee just repackages it and sells it at a profit.

Watching this YouTube was a game changer for me, I still use this method with some changes to suit my style and what works for me.

 

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