Compiling database of Clapton wires and there uses.How to know how to use a particular clapton coil?

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  1. µDavid

    µDavid Member For 1 Year

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    Hello.

    I have tried quite a few Claptons but I went back to simple single strand coils because I didn't think they where any improvements in any aspect of the vape other than the time-wasting aspect...

    But then I found out that winding a Clapton with ~0.315mm SS316 inner wire and 0,09mm Kanthal outer wire(I was told to use nichrome as the outer wire but I went with kanthal) and I make 2,5mm diameter coils with 6-8 turns and use them in ether single-coil builds(at 22W, with TC) or dual-coil builds(at 44W, with TC) and they are great for flavour builds in flavour tanks, but the also produce great amounts of vapour.

    That experience isn't my only source for the following conclusion but it appears as Claptons are a wast of time unless you use a suitable Clapton wire wound as a suitable coil used with a suitable wattage.

    Does anyone agree with this?

    If so, shouldn't we try to compile a list of good ways to use particular Clapton wires?
    Who knows, analysing such a list might revile some insights into Claptons and why they work good when.

    Unless I am told of as being wrong in my conclusion I would welcome people to post there Clapton builds in this thread and how the use it, preferably with a format such as:

    [Name]
    [Clapton type(simple-, fused-, alien-Clapton]
    [Clapton wire(material, AWG/mm, number of wires]
    [coil specifications, inner diameter, turns, spacing]
    [build and wattage used]-
    [mode of usage, VW, TC]

    Such as in my case:

    [Flavour Clapton(or whatever, simply an unique identifier for the data-base, making analysis neater)]
    [Simple Clapton]
    [Inner: 1*0,315mm SS316, Outer: 1*0,09mm Kanthal A1]
    [2,5mm, 7turns, macro-coil]
    [Single-coil 22W]
    [TC]

    The important thing is that order of the lines so that inputting the data into some data base is simple.
    If nothing else this could be interesting, but it might be a while between each time I came through updating it and updating the attachment of the data base for anyone to use.

    Please advice me if you think the input format should change.

    Regards
     
  2. EndDetour

    EndDetour Bronze Contributor Member For 2 Years

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    I think aside from the lack of tidy cataloging the post your builds thread has done a pretty comprehensive job of explaining the pros and cons of different builds. I would love to see a "baseball card-esque" presentation of different builds. Pros/cons and so on. But I think any serious builder would have to agree those pros/cons/strengths/weaknesses/applications of each coil are going to be relative to so many different factors such as the mod one is using, the juice and elevation, the rda/rta it's setup in,...not to mention everyone's subjective tastes and distastes. It's a nice thought, and I'd be happy to help you with it but if it were going to be a semi-objective summary of each coil I think each builder would have to be using the same mech mod, with the same batteries and the same rda.


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  3. µDavid

    µDavid Member For 1 Year

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    Could you explain "lack of tidy cataloging the post"?
    Don't know what that is but want to improve.

    You are probably right about all those other aspects, but personally I have ether experienced a Clapton to add something, or it adds nothing. Maybe we could simplyfie some things.

    This has interested me more and more since I posted this, I should ask for as much parameters as possible, then we can analyse parts of it if desirable.(when things are decided I/we should go around putting up threads like this on all the vaping forums there are to gather data)
    I am not particularly insightful into data analysis but I have a student Matlab license and excel of course.

    I own a domain but I haven't learned to make websites yet, but I would like to learn how to easily/quickly implement a simple page for making entering data for people easy, I have assumed HTML would be the language to study.
    So a link could be spread for people ho, want to enter in data. Then I would leave it to you EndDetour to verify all the entered coils and tanks and mods, so you better prepare to start buying every tank and mod there are(yeah right:) just kidding).
     
  4. EndDetour

    EndDetour Bronze Contributor Member For 2 Years

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    Oh buddy I think you misunderstood. I wasn't critiquing you or this post. My lack of grammar was misleading. I meant the ongoing thread called "post your builds" isn't the most organized, however, it's incredibly comprehensive with a couple years ripe with data and specifics for you to pull from. The main point I was trying to convey was as interesting as it would be to see what you're attempting to do in action(and as much as I am happy to help you in this endeavor), I must say it's nigh impossible. If you put different builds on a regulated mod, changes in flavor from coil to coil will be subtle at best. Now the wicking qualities, ramp time, and vapor production of each coil may change based off a number of factors(# of coils/surface area, Clapton/staggered/helix/twisted/cable wicking qualities, resistance, wire chemistry), yet they will all be very similar for the most part. Whereas on a mech mod(tube, series or parallel) the experience is very different. The qualities of the coil itself determine the quality of vape, everything from flavor to vape production and so on. I've found the best flavor comes from building on mechs. And with all that said the quality of each coil is very much going to be determined by the individual and the juice they use with that particular coil. Making an objective catalogue that touches on which coils are worst, better or best is, I think, a pipe dream due to the relative nature of individual preference


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  5. Carambrda

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    Yes, I agree basic claptons are a waste of time. But that's only because fused claptons and triple core fused claptons are just as easy to make, and the improvement in flavor is enormous.

    As for mech vs regulated, I am leaning very heavily towards mechs, but that doesn't mean all regulated mods suck. I use a PWM mod (Surric Vapes X-Vault), and also I use the Reuleaux RX300 with ArcticFox in power mode with power curves, as that offers some advantages like not having to worry as much about things like resistance and ramp up of the coils... ramp up is greatly reduced by the power curve and translates to a significant improvement in flavor production.
     
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    I totally agree, I use fused claptons all the time and even a beginner could build them.

    I've loaded af on my rx300 too and it definitely makes the mod very good an customisable. Which reminds me I need batteries for it!
     
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    I have to say though I find simple strand coils a pain in the ass to trap in my RTA'S so I'd much rather use exotic coils cos the flavour is definitely improved if done correctly
     
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    I know a simple clapton doesn't give any flavor punch over single wire build. Now a tri core fc is another matter, Great flavor punch. Puts me in a happy place every time.
     
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    As you vape in same way as me I totally agree. I managed to get hold of a nano btw and I love it so thanks for the recommendation :)
     
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    Glad you like it. Still my #1.
     

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