Danger with building.

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  1. bobnat

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    Well said. If you think about, damn near everything sold could be harmful or fatal with a bit of ingenuity and persistence.
     
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    There has got to be a middle ground between the overbearing Nanny State of the US and the Wild West landscape of China.
     
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    My favorite local B&M went through the jumps and hoops to get the Manufacturer license. They are now able to build for their customers, it's not that expensive to obtain.

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    This line is what makes me discredit you. Who are you to discount any style of vaping?
     
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    And if you did not discredit me, would we be BFF's? FYI, not the people just the practice.
     
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    As a vendor you would have had to have known that going on a vaping forum full of hobbyist vapers and making the title of your first thread "Danger with building." you would cause a small amount of blow back.
    Right?
     
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    As someone who loves and believes in vaping how can you justify your prejudice against any style of vaping that keeps a person from smoking?
     
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    OP lost me at "contempt for cloud chasers" ...I tried cigalikes of all sorts, and tanks with stock coils for a long time before I tried building, which is when I finally quit smoking...

    It just seems strange to post your business view on a forum, we don't have to agree with you if you really believe it's the best way, right? The only reason to post it here would be to get imput and yes, criticism and differing views. We will educate you with different perspectives!
     
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    I have a petition here to place "WARNING: CHEW BEFORE SWALLOWING" on all loaves of bread.
     
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    Please don't overstate "my love" for vaping. We are selling an addiction, vape, as a better alternative to smoking. Same as methadone is to heroin. I have no love for any addiction and I justify what we do because it will save lives, thus I believe in it. I believe there are a number of things that give vaping a bad wrap and it started with cloud comps and cloud chasers in public places. Bad juice label's are another. I seriously doubt vapor's would go back to smoking if that market disappeared all together. Look, I am not trying to be right nor am I trying to convince anyone I am. This is just my opinion.
     
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    You do understand that the FDA was trying to ban vaping as an "unapproved medical device" all the way back in 2009 before anything besides cigilikes existed right?

    If vaping cured HIV, cancer, and opioid addiction they would still be trying to ban it.
    Because it 'looks like smoking' and cuts into profits of the elite.
     
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    Whats wrong with any post that starts a conversation? Electronic cigarettes came on the market as an alternative to combustible tobacco, not to create a hobby especially when that market has drawn in so many kids. I see them all the time. "No I don't have my license with me" LOL. I'm not looking for business on here or FB like's. All I'm doing is stating an opinion. So go for it.
     
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    Vaping is here to stay. Will the business be different? Absolutely.
     
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    Probably because he owns a retail shop which he assumes gives him immunity from the responsibility of his actions. This immunity is conferred to him because he's trying to make a buck. He's a business owner. It's the same sick logic that companies utilize in the pursuit of a dollar regardless of the effect they have on anyone. He runs a vape shop so he knows better than anyone on these boards what's right for others.
     
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    Glad you have me figured out.
     
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    And the biggie: MOTOR VEHICLES! Isn't "car accident" one of the LEADING causes of death in the US? Nobody's hollering for a ban on cars! Sure, there are all kinds of safety gizmos in cars these days, and more coming all the time.... but at bottom, when you get into a car, whether you're the driver or not, you're taking your life in your hands.

    I can't fault him for not wanting to sell rebuildables to newbies -- god knows, we need more vape shops who feel that way! But there does come a point where one is no longer a newbie, and a rebuildable atomizer is by far the best way to get a great vape, and not have to continuously pay thru the nose for it. I know for a fact that I am very far from the only one who feels freed not just from early-death-by-cigarette, but also POVERTY-by-cigarette! Encouraging people to switch from one set of chains to another might be good for his bottom line... but it really sucks for those vapers who aren't newbies anymore and want something not just better, but CHEAPER.

    Andria
     
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    so giving away things makes you an expert?
    albeit, stores need to focus on new vapors and converting smokers to vapors SAFELY.
    BUT, limiting your market to only those persons, and cutting yourself out of the hobbyist market, is a tad disingenuous imho.
    SEVERAL (myself included) got out of the replacement coils within a week, simply for cost savings.
    The only person in this thread I see spinning is also the only person here trying to look for justification.
     
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    You can believe what you want but this is not about taking anyone hostage and forcing them to by coils. We sell wire and koh-ge-do. Let me break this down for all of you. I'll say 2-3% of our business is rebuildable's. The tanks we sell are authentic not Chinese clones and the price is comparable to any sub ohm tanks and maybe a little more. Those using rebuildable's are probably using more liquid which offset the money they would spend on coils. Juice pays the bills and everyone in retail will agree. We put new bee's in a device and a juice that will make them want to quit. We look at the big picture not the one time sale. We have latitude that the one or two shop owners do not because we have 7 locations and we can pay better wages so our staff is here long term and knowledgable. Don't mistake this for "look at me". I trying to explain why most of you are so far off base. I replied to another post how I'm not thrilled about selling someone an addiction which most of you don't realize or care about. I needed to see first hand the good we are doing before I could justify what we do. I have no concern if my customers quit everything because we know after 7 years how to market toward those still smoking.
     
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    OK
     
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    This would have been a better way to start the conversation. Valid points.
     
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    I wasn't trying to look like I knew something because I'm an owner. I was just stating an opinion to see where it went. Then it went to I'm a money hungry AH. FYI, I really don't know shit about being behind the counter but I have staff who do. I do our marketing and thats pretty much it.
     
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    How’s that going for you?

    Come on are you baiting or what a hahahaha
     
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  23. f1r3b1rd

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    every now and then a thread comes along that has nothing to offer other than comedic value...
     
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    I disagree. Maybe OP learned to choose how to express his opinion in a more diplomatic way. This could have been a good conversation instead of a bash fest. Just how I choose to see it.
     
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  25. AndriaD

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    Well, you need to realize one thing: nicotine, without all the other crap in cigarettes, is really not addictive; at worst, it's mildly habit-forming, very similar to caffeine -- but that's a whole 'nuther argument which really isn't relevant here; more relevant is that vaping isn't about harm ELIMINATION, it's harm REDUCTION -- those who make noise about switching from "one addiction to another" are called ANTZ, and they are NOT popular around here, because they're just plain ignorant, and they're puritans, also not popular, and they may even have a vested interest in the Death Industry of tobacco, and hate seeing all that filthy lucre vanishing thx to vaping.

    And I have no complaints at all about your not selling rebuildables to newbies -- I really do wish more shops felt that way! But when you made your post about how your shop doesn't support rebuildables even for those who are experienced enough to use them safely... you stepped on a LOT of toes, so you can hardly blame anyone for being a bit annoyed about your attitude to rebuildables-in-general, and those vapers who use them. It's true that vapers here in this forum are really not a "standard representation" of all vapers, however I'd venture to guess that most here ARE coil builders, and seeing someone call us all a bunch of "hobbyist cloud chasers" is insulting and in many cases, completely wrong -- my own case being a perfect example -- and I'm not the only one who builds coils yet vapes at a very low power level -- my son uses .5 ohm coils, which he builds, because he's not made outta money, but he uses them at 20-25 watts -- definitely NOT a cloud chaser.

    So you really should take a deep breath, and just calm down. You insulted us; you can hardly expect us to be happy about that.

    Andria
     
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    Hey slick, I'm having a little fun. If I took anything to heart or my feeling were hurt I would have disappeared. There's people on here way smarter than me, the difference is I know that going in. Plus I'm open minded and maybe one of those who are smarter will make me rethink my opinion. Unfortunately that person hasn't shown up yet.
     
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    open minded, or bored?
    lets look at this from the overall perspective
    yes your bred and butter is juice. that profit margin had been hit hard the last few years with prices cutting in half.
    most noobs that vape to quit, may go through 2 or three setups for their entire vape career. a small percentage of those will become hobbyists, and a smaller percentage will be loyal return hardware customers. that smaller percentage will stick with rebuildables. if you are limiting yourself to a b&m only interface, and only a small selection, they have no place to go but the internets, which will show them multiple juice lines you don't stock and more gear options than you can count. therefore limiting your inventory, and bad mouthing the hobby side, is forcibly limiting your customer base. Let alone your attitude on rebuilding shielding your own customers to another world of vaping altogether and possibly removing your own base of return long time customers.
    but what do I know, I don't own a shop.
     
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    And there you go again.
    Have a good day everyone. I'm out.
     
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    Well put.

    Nicotine as the Royal Collage of Physicians stated, it's no more harmful than Caffeine. But hey, what would they know? They're only one of if not the most respected Medical Science organizations in the world that have only been around for 500 years. Also since I stopped smoking after 36+ years I don't climb the walls if I'm without my Vape like I used to be with the Stinkies.

    I first learned how to rebuild by watching a lot of youtube vid's then going down to my favorite local B&M who then stepped me through the process. I was a newb but they took the time to show me how to do it properly. I'm loyal to them, buy a lot of juice from them and more than happy to pay the B&M tax to support them. They have a lot of competition from online and other shops in the area, but why are they successful? Because they still maintain a small selection of quality RTA's and RDA's. They also have a build station set up for anyone who comes in that needs to build, rewick, etc. Additionally they provide the wire and cotton for free. When the bullshit with the FDA and requiring any shop that does build to have a tobacco manufactures license they went through the jumps and hoops to get one. What does all this do? Lots of customers like myself are loyal to them. There is a huge markup on juice, that's where the real money is made so we continue to buy juice from them. This is how a small shop can compete with online and local competition. Hell their Yelp and Google reviews are so high that anyone from out of town to local reads it comes in.
     
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    I'm pretty calm and your wrong about vaping not being an addiction. The whole hand to mouth thing alone is an addiction. Nicotine is considered a drug just like caffeine. Not like heroin needless to say but it is a drug because you can have withdrawal symptoms. Stay in your lane. So if you feel a need to justify it or minimize it fine with me. You seem to always go toward the money you can't afford but apparently you were buying cigarettes. And if I posted something unpopular here or hurt anyone's feeling's to bad. You all need to get out more and hear other opinions beside your own like I was looking for with the post. Guys like me post in the hope of learning something about the other side or view, not to argue or beat someone up unless thats what they want. And if all you builders or cloud chaser's don't want to engage then don't. Plus this is recreation for me. LOL! I'm still calm
     
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    Do you really believe had I said I hate the concept of cloud chasing and putting someone in a rebuildable another way the response would have been different? Come on man. I was going to get crucified either way.
     
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    Hahaha this is what the thread was always about and you know it ;)

    Chuck in the grenade and watch them go ....
     
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    Ya think?
     
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    With you lumping in those who rebuild with cloud chasers just shows how knowledgeable you are on the subject ;)
     
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    Well, I'm getting bored now but appreciate all the constructive criticism. I learned rebuildable's are great for some people and cloud chasers are a different breed of vapor's.
     
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    You're a B&M and bottom line is online sales so you need to establish a loyal customer base that are willing to pay the B&M tax. Look at my previous post on my local B&M for example, that's why they're successful ;)
     
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    I can find it but I'm interested.
     
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    Sorry, I just noticed the list of products. There are many ways to measure success. If your the only store in a 15 mile radius then its easier to build a better CB then a BM surrounded by competition. Good customer service and product availability will always out perform the store who is working with a short bankroll that runs out of inventory. (especially juice and coils) Those of us who have no financial restraints as far as purchasing power to constantly bring in new devices and juice have a big edge. 2 stores with the same CS and products the decision which store to shop has to do with which one is closer to home. I have to go. I overstayed my welcome. Ha Ha
     
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    Well, y'know, I've been trying to see your side of this whole thing, but with that post, you just alienated me too -- you're an ignorant fuck who needs to learn what you're talking about, when it comes to nicotine; being as ignorant as you are about it, and as rude as you seem INTENT on being, I have nothing further to say to you, and you just earned a spot on my ignore list. So go on being an ignorant, rude asshole, I don't care.

    Andria
     
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    Wow, the real Andria just surfaced. Took awhile to start the vulgarity but it always comes with the low life's. Therefore I'm not sending you any cotton for Christmas.
     
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    Perhaps https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ would be a better base for this discussion?

    *wink wink*
     
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    Thanks but this discussion has ended and I found what I was looking for.
     
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    Trolls often piss off people.

    You should know this by now.
     
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    I'm ok with it. My fault anyway. I had a few laughs.
     
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    :poop:
     
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    LOL
     
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    That is just stupid. If I hadn't walked out of a local shop as a new vaper with a pair of hand made fused claptons in an RDA, then right now I would still be smoking cigarettes, and, using cloud chasers for a scapegoat is just as ridicule... it goes to show how astonishingly little you know about vaping on an RDA.
     
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    Then the shop owner is a moron or your full of shit.
     
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    Just gotta say, if vaping were only "one size fits most", there'd probably still be a lot more smokers. Vaping as we know it has something to offer for everyone, and a far fewer smokers in the world. The lack of QC in factory coils led to more frustrated vapers, and rather than simply give up, they sought to find help and something that might work better for them. Vapers are pretty intelligent, innovative and generous people. I've been astounded by some of the threads and creativity I've seen here. Believing that there's only one way of doing things in this industry seems really closed minded.
     

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