Danger with building.

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  1. Bgh723

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    I sell everything any successful Vape Shop does and some things with caution, meaning a newcomer is not walking out with a rebuildable on a Captain unless they insist and I can let them try it first. I don't want someone in the shop every other day having trouble building a coil because we can no longer build for insurance reasons or not knowing anything about resistance. I have people still using CE4's on a pass thru. So what! They don't smoke.
     
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    This thread is hilarious. Kudos to the OP. If you are not aware, most of the posters chewing your ass the last couple of days routinely bitch about B&M's that sell RDA's and mech mods to noobs that then go out and blow their faces off. I don't know how you did it, but you have them arguing against their own prior positions.

    If you get really bored, find the threads with stories about the jackass's that blow their faces off and read them. You'll find some of the posters in this thread blaming the B&M. You would have been a hero with many of them if you had posted the original post in one of those threads. But, today you are a zero. :giggle:
     
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    Zero would be no response but thats my analogy when I do a post.
     
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    AndriaD Shine on, you crazy... VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 3 Years ECF Refugee

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    Actually I've twice given him kudos for not selling rebuildables to newbies -- he was just so persistent in being an asshat, I was forced to /ignore him. Being a newbie is a very short span, and no one stays that forever -- most of us go on to bigger and better and CHEAPER things.

    But I have to say, this thread has improved tremendously since I /ignored the obnoxious OP. :) I don't fault his reasoning with regard to new vapers whatsoever.... but his personality needs a LOT of work. And him 70 yrs old! Most of us get smarter as we get older, and often, we also become kinder and more approachable.

    Andria
     
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    Couldn't stay away Andria? I should apologize and I do.The statement about nicotine not being a drug or me not selling an addiction did piss me off. I sent you a heartfelt reply in one of the comments about my experience with addiction and thought you read between the lines about my concern with what we do. So I went into attack mode. You guys are all correct. No matter what we chose as far as how we vape is all that matters.
     
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    Ah ah ah ah ahah ahahahah
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    OK I'm still laughing
     
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    Yep, full of shit and you never had me. Nice play.
     
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    laughing even harder now
     
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    Great post.
     
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    If only this were your OP
     
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    ???
     
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    I know ;)
     
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    Wow. Well played vape shop owner. Keep pushing people out of your store and they’ll keep ending up getting their info and devices online instead. Brilliant. Great business sense.
     
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    Kind of feel the same. Know I had a similar route in vaping. The actual building coils, having more into doing as a hobby helped me a lot more so than continuing use of nicotine. Sure, I might quit the nicotine even. I might not. I'll keep vaping either way as it is something I enjoy for the enjoyment of it.

    You cannot do without breathing and moving can you? Those are addictions the living have required to well, live. In the broadest sense though you have to admit they are addictions. Your holding such an absolutist view against the hobby side of vaping, of vaping as an addiction really sets you up to having a narrow view through a slatted fence. Such narrow minded views present a quagmire for me. Suffice to say I've nothing further to say to you than I respectfully will agree to disagree with your views, think such views will in fact limit you in various ways. Your choice, your problem/s to enjoy, have a good one. :)

    Thank you Birdy. :)
     
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    What is your bitch against cloud chasers? Do you have it in for flavor chasers as well.. guess what... flavor chasers BUILD COILS. My first rebuildable was an RBA mini on a kanger toptank mini atomizer. On an pen style. 5 to 16w. These were some pretty tiny coils. It kept me off cigarettes though. I was getting pretty fed up burning premade coils at $3 a pop.

    If I walked into your shop right now for the first time... how would you sell to me? Some 30w mini mod with a toodle puffer tank? As a retailer, you want to make sales, but you also want to make sure your customers aren't likely to be harmed by what you sell. So you ask questions. Steer noobies away from mechs, and let the customer tell you what they want in an atomizer.

    You are not permitted to vape inside vape shops. (nor any other public building) Therefore.... how would that impact customers coming into your shop unless you were ignoring federal law in the first place?

    If you are going to sell vape products it is your job to know about the products you sell. Tell people about them. Pros and Cons. I worked in retail. Before even taking a suit off the rack, I knew what the customer was going to use it for and what size. Like don't sell a black wool suit to a teen for prom night.. and no pink shirts for funerals.

    As a retailer you can choose what you sell of course, and if you want to ignore cloud and flavor chasers and only sell to newbies, that is up to you. However, these noobies will be looking for better vaping gear within a month or two. They come on this forum all the time.. "My vape has no flavor" or "My vape doesn't make any clouds" or whatever answer they are looking for. So where are these customers going to go? Your shop.. to the guy up the road that sells things like RDTA Combo and baby beast tanks?
     
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    I've seen people who work in more than one vape shop, vape in the store...

    But hey, OP is a businessman, trying to make money, kudos to selling what you want and not selling what you dont, regardless if I agree with the reasoning or not.
     
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    My city has several vape shops but the majority do sell tanks for prebuilt coils. They all sell a couple of rdas and rtas but by far kits are what they sell. There is only one vape shop out of 15 that sells quite a few mechs, but he will not sell one to a first timer unless he knows them and knows they have been building on regulated boxes for a while. He however does not care much about selling rdas or rtas to people with regulated because he knows the regulated device will protect against bad builds.

    I have seen him wave off a sale of a $250 mech with one simple question. He asked the potential buyer what resistance he was going to build in it and the guy had no answer for him. Buh bye.

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    I own the following mech mods:

    RNV Designs Sebone brass.
    Vaperz Cloud XXX, stacked, brass.
    Vaperz Cloud XXX, stacked, aluminum anodized purple plasma.
    Vaperz Cloud Hammer Of God V3 Limited Edition King (brass).
    Vaperz Cloud Hammer Of God V3.1 Limited Edition "The Four Horsemen" (brushed aluminum, custom artwork by Deathwish Modz).
    Vapergate The 99 (copper, in collaboration with BJ Box Mods).
    Deathwish Modz Barebones gunmetal.
    Purge Mods Maelstrom brass.
    Purge Mods Serenity brass.
    Purge Mods Suicide King brass.
    Purge Mods Blood Stain brass.
    Purge Mods Karma brass.
    Purge Mods King Blood Stain brass.
    3 × Purge Mods Assassin extension tube, brass.
    Purge Mods Suicide King Squonker brass.
    BJ Box Mods Admiral hand engraved by Mathew Hagermann, brass (only 5 of them are in existence).

    All of them are authentic and were purchased new, by me at a local (Belgium, Europe) B&M store this year and without me having been asked any pretentious questions.
     
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    Yeah I understand the hate for the question....but i also understand why he asked it. When he asked him what resistance he was going to build...his answer was "what do you mean build, don't you just put oil in the vape and hit the button to blow clouds?"

    I feel like he did a service to the kid by not selling him something he wasn't ready for.

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    Tend to agree ...it’s not pretentious at all?
     
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    AndriaD Shine on, you crazy... VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 3 Years ECF Refugee

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    We certainly vape in vape shops here in GA -- where the politicians have at least a semblance of brains in their heads. Not permitting vaping in a vape shop is right up there with not allowing drinking in a bar. Sheesh.

    Andria
     
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    The opposite happened to me. I bought a Noisy Cricket from a shop and asked the lady how best to get the battery caps out (before I noticed they had slots for coins, etc) and she said "take out these two screws on th bottom." She also told me it used one battery. My face :| relieved it was the only one they had in stock...also relieved I didnt see that particular worker there ever again afterwards.

    This particular shop was verrrrry sparing on the mech mods, and there was one stand of RDAs that I am assuming people who worked there added to from their own when they were tired of them.

    Edit: I Had already read up well on series mods online, and already owned direct to battery mechs, so knew what I was getting, I just get nervous in shops when I have money and my first look at it I only saw two holes for like, pliers or something in the 510 ring
     
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    That puts it in a totally different daylight of course. But I didn't say the question is pretentious, and in fact I don't hate the question. :D
     
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    Haven't been able to vape in a vape shop here. Breath ND put vaping in the same clause as smoking back in 2007. No vaping or smoking inside businesses at all..... doesn't matter the business....supposed to be 25ft from the front door... sucks

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    Same here since 17th January this year.

    EDIT: Except we don't have to be that far from the door... that is, unless there's an outdoor perimeter clearly marked with no smoking signs, like for example in front of a hospital entrance.
     
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    You all sound so knowledgeable about vaping it's a wonder you all don't own shops. I chuckle at those who are clueless about what is or is not an addiction. Most of you assholes want to cherry pick a sentence out of a post and then slam anyone with a difference of opinion. Thats all I did when I posted a few weeks ago. The difference between builders and good shop owners is we try/buy/sell everything thus we have a better frame of reference than most of you, not all.
     
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    I've also seen addiction first hand in a few various cases, sadly a good few were/are family. Ran volunteer as e.m.t for a bit with a local small town rescue squad as well, we saw enough of addiction there too despite our relative small area. I don't really need the above definitions, descriptions.

    Posted them so I could point out, yes breathing in some places now is dangerous to health. We all still need to do it. I guess death can be traumatic, although you might like me have other perceptions of it and it's not so much a trauma. Quite a withdraw I expect coming off of life.

    No, I'm not attempting humor or being a snide with you. I think and feel I've a genuinely valid point in understanding what addiction is/can be. Also think my point is valid about breathing, in the broadest sense, yes breathing is an addiction, life is a habit or substance we become addicted to having.

    I sincerely apologize if it seems I "cherry picked" and then slammed you for holding a different opinion. Had not intended to be read as such. I do not run a shop,no. (Seeing you post regarding all the "woes and tribulations' you're facing at it, not sure I'd desire it.) But I can comprehend your point of view to an extent. That stated, you've an opinion, I've one as well. Told you I respectfully agree to disagree with your opinion.

    That's not me saying you're not allowed an opinion, or yours is wrong, or mine is correct. I am merely disagreeing with your perceptions and ideas, thoughts on those. As much as I allow for you having an opinion, it doesn't exclude me thinking, perceiving and forming my own, sorry. If that makes me an asshole to you ... ah well. Been called far worse and far better.

    Heretics know all people are different and all people have differing opinions. That's originally what it meant being a heretic, you held a differing opinion from what what the status quo of religion did. I think in that space between our difference we find one another and can give each other room to grow. Again, apologies and also thanks for reading.
     
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    Maybe the reason I sound so knowledgeable about vaping is because the fact I don't own a shop has been giving me more than enough spare time to invest in this hobby and learn properly from it as opposed to trying to scarecrow people away from it with a load of pseudoscience based allegations commonly fueled by Big Pharma, Big Tobacco, public "health" organizations, corrupt politicians, yellow journalism, corporate greed, social engineering, and, ultimately, cultivated taboos.
     
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    The asshole comment or owning a shop was a general stated not mean't for you. The addiction part was. I'm a recovering heroin addict hopefully for 22 years on 1/26/28. I'm 70 years old and was somewhat reluctant to buy in with my business partner who had 1 store and needed help. I started vaping after 15 years of not smoking just to see if this was the real deal to stop smoking. After using a CE4 on a passthru for 6 weeks and watching smokers come in desperate to quit, I bought in. We have 7 locations and I don't need the money. I need a purpose. Vape works because we don't need to make a behavior change as we do when quitting every other addiction. (we also owned an treatment center in Ct along with sober housing,) so I'm a little closed minded about what I do. Overeating, gambling, alcohol, drugs even sex requires a behavior change. Not the case with us. Cup of coffee fill your tank, have a drink take a vape. Make a call vape it up. You get the idea. Sorry if I put all my thoughts in 1 paragraph and wasn't more specific as to your post. I wanted to continue making a small difference as I did in the addiction business and tell myself we "are helping" to get people off combustible tobacco and giving them an safer alternative. Thats all. Good luck and I also apologize.
     
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    Use your head. I'm giving an opinion on a thread about a business I'm in. We employ 25 people mostly full timer's. We own 8 locations and have a customer base of over 3500 people. Why would you think I'm trying to push people away or compare me with the groups posted above? Wow!!!
     
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    :hug: You are helping, and you do matter. :) I can understand some closed mindedness. Get that at times myself. *chuckles* It's usually when I know it's time to take a nap or go outside for a little fresh air, a bit of exercise, get out of my head.
     
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    I am using my head, and am using it well. I'm making the common observation that you're pushing away RBA users by no longer selling RBAs. For some weird reason, handing out disclaimers to buyers doesn't work for you and your insurance. Ergo, I'm making some well-educated guesses as for what that reason might be. Could be you're just too stubborn to admit something we aren't supposed know. Closed mindedness and or plain stupidity is also among options that are possible. We don't know something until we know. But I'm not going to give you the benefit of the doubt. That's just because you're not giving RBA users the benefit of the doubt, either... so, thus far, how do you like my using my head?
     
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    Then you just can't read. I sell everything except MMods. And if you were as smart as you would like to believe, you would kmow disclaimers are not worth the paper they are written on. Your a consumer, not an owner or an attorney. Now I'm going to let you have the last word because I'm running a business. Don't expect a reply. Go build a coil.
     
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    Yeah... you're just no longer interested in "allowing someone to walk out of your store and build a coil without long term experience". So how exactly is it that your customers without long term experience will be gaining this same long term experience if you're no longer willing to sell them an RBA? Talk about using your head. LOL!
    I've just presented more than enough solid evidence to prove I'm actually even smarter than I would like to believe. I'm also an owner, as I own common sense. I solemny swear that I own common sense, the whole common sense, and nothing but common sense, under pains and penalties of Purge Jury. :D
     
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    there is a whole generation of vapers that started their entire vaping life on rebuildables,thousands and thousands and nobody blew their face off....it's your bussiness, it's your call .if you are afraid of liability I respect that, but if you are pushing the idea that rebuildables are unsafe , or mech mods are unsafe then you are just a fear monger.
     
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    owning a shop doesn't mean shit..it means you have some money and bussiness license...I've been a carpenter and custom woodworker for 30 years...if I go into the average hardware or tool store most of the people behind the counter don't even know the proper names of half the tools they sell much less how to use them, their proper care, or the best tool of the job...most every experinced vapers that I know have vaped on, experimented with, bought sold ,or tarded more and differing mods and atties than any shopowner.I remember when rebuildables first came out I told 2 shop owners they should start stocking them...they told me that rebuildable atomizers would never sell...when I go into a shop nowdays with my genny the shop owners don't even know what the fuck it is...they ask me" where's the cotton."....McDonalds sold 100 billion hamburgers...that doesn't prove they know how to make a good one.on the contrary I think Mc Donalds has shown the world without a doubt they don't know jack about making hamburgers.
     
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    Yeah, but he isn't selling to just experienced vapers.

    Years ago, my family started requiring riding and horsemanship lessons before we'd sell a horse to people that were new to horses. Not so much for the safety aspect, but for our own reputations. New people screwed up and blamed the horse and in turn blamed us for selling a bad horse.

    Go back and read the "Dude blew his face off" threads. Lots of folks, some posting in this thread, blamed the shop that sold the mechs.

    I wouldn't care if someone blew their face off being dumb. I don't care if someone gets hurt while riding a horse I sold by being dumb. But, if I want to keep my reputation as a good person to buy a good horse, I can't have people yapping that I sold them shit, even if it's not true. Reputation is everything and I have turned down good money to keep a reputation. I would also be selective about who I sold mechs and RDA/RTA's to.

    I agree with the OP in his position. Building IS dangerous. If I get someone that wants to buy the beautiful spirited gelding(RDA) in the pasture and after some talking find they are not equipped to handle him, I'll offer them the old layed back ugly mare(Nautilus) that doesn't have the energy to cause them any problems. And some horsemanship lessons so they don't screw her up.

    It's a bit different than selling a tool IMO. The vaping industry has not had the years of adding safety guards and what not that tool manufactuerers have after being sued over and over. Table saws with sensors and shit to shut the blade down.



    Chainsaws with kickback guards that stop the blade. You get the idea. Shit that I have to take off to use the damn things, lol.
     
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    Owning a shop doesn't mean shit? What it mean's is I have a few Poldiac's to sell you. LOL
     
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    not interested always thought they were ugly i preffered the 69
     
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    Thanks and you're correct. I'm currently in litigation now due to user error. Thats what prompted me to post in the first place. When you sell 20-30 of anything chance of an accident is limited. When you sell hundreds your exposure is much greater. We still sell RTA/RDA's but not MMods. My opinions about rebuildable's have nothing to do about wanting to sell coils.
     
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    Fear of hurting someone or fear of losing our business and putting people out of work? I guess if you call it fear mongering than your correct. Mec Mods are dangerous, period.
     
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    no they aren't ....stupid fucks are dangerous.
     
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    You know as well as I do that almost all those explosions had nothing to do with building coils...they almost all were idiots putting some cheap ass tank with a flush 510 pin onto a hybrid mech and causing a hard short, they had nothing to do with the coil,hell I bet alot of them were factory coils.....I agree that it is your bussiness and if you want to protect yourself from sue happy dummys who won't bother learning how to use a knife and fork properly..I know people who are afraid to even hire people anymore because they are afraid that if they fire them someday they might face a lawsuit over it,
    Given the culture I may very well adopt the same policiy if I was the OP, however I would not go around fear mongering people I'd tell them that using a mech or building a coil is far safer than driving a car or living in Chicago.that they can go on youtube or a vaping forum and learn everything they need to know to do it safely...I have never blamed a shop owner for idiots blowing themselves up...that is on the customer to learn how to operate the equipment properly....as I said after 30 years on construction sites almost every accident I've seen has been user error...I've seen an idiot be able to hurt themselves despite whatever saftey gaurd was put on the saw...and the vast majority of tools have no such gaurd they rely on the craftsman using the tool properly.also this stupid obsession with blowing big clouds has got the noobs thinking they aren't really vaping unless they are vaping a .15 coil.
    If this bullcrap that building coils and mechs were unsafe reality would have proven it by now..it has not. after years and years of people using rebuildables and mechs...The reality is that when the equipment is used properly it is safe. There have been very few accidents and they were almost all due to user error.I have hand chisels with lamenated blades from Japan with edges sharper than a razor. and I have more fear picking one of them up than my mechs.........besides all that ...how is a rebuildable atomizer on a regulated mod in anyway dangerous...the thing won't even operate if the coils is shorting. I mean let's get honest here folks we don't even know how safe vaping ietself is there are no long term studies.
     
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    If this is the case I appreciate your decision Bgh, your intentiones weren’t clear to start out with however I’ll have to respectfully disagree with your opinions on rebuildables in general like pulse said above even a knife and fork can be dangerous in the wrong hands.

    I do however think it’s right that questioning new vapers is the right thing to do and if they show lack of understanding then shops should act responsibly with regards to mechs and rebuildables and this will always be the grey area for B&Ms. As you said before showing them puts you in harms way in the eyes of the law as well unless videoed with sound advice provided, who’s to say they weren’t given bad advice in the store otherwise and it become a litigation nightmare.

    Selling them with a disclaimer seems to be an accepted norm but again appreciate your reluctance to do so....maybe directing them online to a forum etc could help
     
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    Stop with the fucking fear mongering. No one is doing that here but you. Mec Mods are dangerous in the wrong hands regardless of what you have to say. There are many accidents never reported. How about the person who doesn't check the battery wrap. Staff can only give out the information. Once someone leaves the shop who knows what the outcome will be. My point is why gamble? To make a few bucks or satisfy a small percentage of hobbist's? There's nothing wrong with talking someone into a regulated device with a good sub tank. Remember we are not supposed to build in house anymore. Do you have any idea how many come in looking for help after buying an RTA/RBA when it doesn't fire? We sell rebuildable's as I said but only for those who ask. Never to anyone coming in and asking for a tank. Better flavor, more clouds we have it in sub-ohm. Wire, koh-gen-do we have it but anyone with 7-8-10 locations, selling Mec Mods are looking for trouble. Someone will have an accident.
     
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    I'm not here to talk about how smart a business owner I am. I have been doing it since 2010 and watched the ever changing market. I was one of the last shops in a very competitive market to bring in MMods and rebuildables and lost a few dollars in the process.(SWFL) I had cloud contests people enjoyed the event but in the back of my mind I felt big clouds in a 1200 ft retail shop would hurt business in the long run. I also believed the ecig customers (not hobbists or cloud chashers) where the backbone of our business and getting smokers off combustible tobacco was the goal. We used to be able to vape in the movie theater next to one of our locations until a few of our customers went in one night and clouded the whole place up. I also went through a period with our largest store (3000 sq ft) with a 20 ft testing bar and 5 or 6 Mmod users trying 10 flavors clouding up the place and older people getting turned off from testing new flavors. I guess the point I'm getting at is the whole MMod, cloud chasing, RDA/RBA scene was not in any way a positive step toward winning the war against the FDA nor was it a good business concept just like the labeling on juice being geared toward kids which we stayed away from. From a business perspective was I right? I feel as though I was because we have added at least 1 new location each year and some years 2. Many of the shops in this area who did not have the financial options we acquired over time and were forced to sell clones or cheap liquid or had to compromise their belief's just to try and stay open because they had their life savings in a shop are falling by the wayside which is unfortunate.
     
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    Sincerely I wish you luck in your future endeavours :)

    hopefully you won’t get slapped with the same TPD issues the B&Ms have over in the UK ...they’ve been hurting compared with many of the available tanks to buy elsewhere online many have more rebuildables on offer now just to remain competitive
     
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    The retail business as we currently know it will change. Some of us will survive some will not. Those smoking cigarettes will suffer the most if the FDA does not roll back some of these impossible regulations. However the biggest immediate threat is taxation by local government. Nice conversation and good vaping. I'd like to send something new to try on me for being so civil throughout this thread. Just send me shipping info.
     
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