DNA30 Battery life?

[Xaviero17]

Okay I get about a day on this thing with my efest purple 30 amp, and I bought a pair of vtc4's and its going down faster? I switch between my Kayfun - 1.4ohm and my Igo-w - .8ohm and is there a better battery for longer life to use on here? Or do I just need to build higher ohms? Anything? lol

 

[Scuba-Matt]

What DNA are you using? My Hana V3 and VaporShark rDNA both last a day with one 18650 Sony VTC5 and a Kayfun, 1 ohm @ 15 - 16 watts.
When I sub ohm, the lower the ohms the faster the battery gets used. I vape about 5 to 6 ml a day.

 

[Xaviero17]

It's the Cloupor I got it from 101vape. Also trying to get a consensus that about a day is the right lifetime. I usually switch out my battery/charge it when I see it pretty low.

 

[st_andrew]

I too get about around a day of vaping from my cloupor clones. I change out about every 12 hours I often change them early though. Using sony vtc4 and purple efest 2100 mah. Prefer the efest for some reason.

 

[Kevin2112]

Battery life is determined by so many variables. Ohm, wattage or volt setting, and how many times you hit the button. I would say you are doing good to get about a full day of use. I think the biggest determining factor is single or dual coil. I prefer single coil because I can get a good Vape without forcing the battery to work twice as hard essentially draining the battery twice as fast.

 

[Scuba-Matt]

It seems the Cloupor boards like to eat battery life. When my Sons Cloupor went down, he borrowed my Hana V3 and couldn't believe the difference in battery life between the two devices. Both using the same VTC5
OP if you upgrade to a Sony VTC5 you should see a bit more vape time over the VTC4.

 

[Nikkita6]

It's the Cloupor I got it from 101vape. Also trying to get a consensus that about a day is the right lifetime. I usually switch out my battery/charge it when I see it pretty low.

Yeah, my Cloupor doesn't last a damn with a Samsung 20-R. If I use it exclusively all day I have to charge it twice a day while running a 1.0ohm build at 20W ... so annoying.

 

[Nikkita6]

It seems the Cloupor boards like to eat battery life. When my Sons Cloupor went down, he borrowed my Hana V3 and couldn't believe the difference in battery life between the two devices. Both using the same VTC5
OP if you upgrade to a Sony VTC5 you should see a bit more vape time over the VTC4.

So true .. even when its not in use it is steady burning the battery down. This is the one thing that I really don't like about it, and I guess I will have to get myself some Sony's to see if they fair better.

 

[UncleRJ]

I have the Hana clone from Focal and it will last me from when I get up in the morning until it is time for me to go to bed with my VCT5 running a 1.9ohm coil between 10.5 to 14 watts depending on my mood and my E-Liquid on my Kayfuns.

And the last thing I do at night is plug it into a wall wort to charge and it is all good the next morning!

 

[IDonn0]

I think the biggest determining factor is single or dual coil. I prefer single coil because I can get a good Vape without forcing the battery to work twice as hard essentially draining the battery twice as fast.

Ohms law doesn't change from 1 to 2 coils or a hundred.

I have a chDNA30 and get 1 1/2 days with about 1/4 batt still left. I use the purple efest 2500 mah batts.

 

[Lefty]

VCT5 with the Cloupor at 14-15 watts with 1.3ohm kayfuns, every now and then 22 watts with a dripper at .8 last's me all day with mucho room to spare.
I just charge it at the end of the day.

 

[VH fan]

So true .. even when its not in use it is steady burning the battery down. This is the one thing that I really don't like about it, and I guess I will have to get myself some Sony's to see if they fair better.

Tell me about it lol, i mean what device doesn't have a dedicated on/off switch , my Cana comes on and off all day long even when i let it sit by itself with no electronics around it.

 

[Xaviero17]

Tell me about it lol, i mean what device doesn't have a dedicated on/off switch , my Cana comes on and off all day long even when i let it sit by itself with no electronics around it.

EXACTLY! I need to find a way around that because I'll leave it to sit at work and I swear that the damn battery drains a pretty good percentage even tho it's locked and not being touched! Maybe the high temps from being in the car?

 

[Damwow]

I have a clouper clone and the new sony battery, mine lasts two days and still has some battery left about one fourth. That's with heavy vaping. I put it on the charger at the end of the second day.. My question? Should I run the battery completely dead????

 

[Celtic Fog]

EXACTLY! I need to find a way around that because I'll leave it to sit at work and I swear that the damn battery drains a pretty good percentage even tho it's locked and not being touched! Maybe the high temps from being in the car?

you should never leave rechargeable batteries in a hot car!

 

[Xaviero17]

you should never leave rechargeable batteries in a hot car!

Is there a specific reason? I always hear different things and hopefully theres a specific reason why. I know outside here in LA it's usually never over about 100 degrees lately and in car would probably be around 150 on the hot side on a wild guess..

 

[Celtic Fog]

yeah if you get the battery to hot, it can vent....leading to a few weeks of bus rides....not good in LA bro.

 

[VH fan]

I have a clouper clone and the new sony battery, mine lasts two days and still has some battery left about one fourth. That's with heavy vaping. I put it on the charger at the end of the second day.. My question? Should I run the battery completely dead????

No you should not run it completely dead , battery longevity is better when kept topped off.

 

[VH fan]

Is there a specific reason? I always hear different things and hopefully theres a specific reason why. I know outside here in LA it's usually never over about 100 degrees lately and in car would probably be around 150 on the hot side on a wild guess..

Battery's should not be subjected to extremes with either heat or cold if you have a choice but i have left mine in the car for short periods of time and it's fine .

I don't leave it on the dash or near the back window though lol. If you must leave it in a car best to carry a little insulated cooler of some type and keep it in there covered with something .

 

[Zamazam]

I have a clouper clone and the new sony battery, mine lasts two days and still has some battery left about one fourth. That's with heavy vaping. I put it on the charger at the end of the second day.. My question? Should I run the battery completely dead????

Yep, considering the life of an 18650 is roughly 300 discharge/charge cycles, it makes sense to take it all the way down.

 

[Damwow]

Thanks, I thought so! Now that I am back at school and don't vape at work it's lasting even longer! Now if I could only find my missing vamo!

 

[MrScaryZ]

This is a question that has too many variables to answer the initial question, Each answer is merely stating that persons vaping habits
I could chime in here add more variables.

 

[duroSIG556R]

Higher Ohms =less amps=far better battery life. You can always crank up the watts. Sub ohming is only needed on a mech. I'm not sure why this logic is so hard for people to understand. If you sub ohm, you should know this stuff.

 

[MrScaryZ]

Higher Ohms =less amps=far better battery life. You can always crank up the watts. Sub ohming is only needed on a mech. I'm not sure why this logic is so hard for people to understand. If you sub ohm, you should know this stuff.

The only correction my friend is now with DNA 30's etc one can sub-ohm without a mech it is not hard to understand the prob is you give the masses a sub- ohm device and they just freak when they do not get 2 days of use. One addition: the CHDNA chipset claims 92 percent efficiency so you have to add that I really think many on this site should understand batteries and OHM's law just blabbing out what I use and do is Rhetorical gibberish


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[duroSIG556R]

The only correction my friend is now with DNA 30's etc one can sub-ohm without a mech it is not hard to understand the prob is you give the masses a sub- ohm device and they just freak when they do not get 2 days of use. One addition: the CHDNA chipset claims 92 percent efficiency so you have to add that I really think many on this site should understand batteries and OHM's law just blabbing out what I use and do is Rhetorical gibberish


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My point is that there is simply no need for a sub ohm build on a regulated device. Why build one? You'll only go through a battery quicker. There is no benefit when you can take a 1.8 ohm build up to 50 watts. Also, half of your post doesn't make sense.

 

[VH fan]

Follow whatever charging procedure you want to follow but if people really want to know the facts about these types of batteries please do your research .

Here are the true facts : Charging your battery earlier and not letting it discharge fully will greatly enhance cycle life on these types of lithium based cells . Charging to max capacity (4.2) and discharging fully (past the 3.7 mark ) is fine but if battery longevity is what your after then it's unwise to follow that procedure.

For max battery cycle life it's very important to charge to around 4.1 volts and not discharge it past the 3.7 mark , if you want to know what fully discharging these types of batteries does to them and how it greatly shortens their life i recommend reading up on lithium based cells on reputable sites that explain it in detail .

Battery University is a good one as is Wilkspedia

 

[MrScaryZ]

My point is that there is simply no need for a sub ohm build on a regulated device. Why build one? You'll only go through a battery quicker. There is no benefit when you can take a 1.8 ohm build up to 50 watts. Also, half of your post doesn't make sense.

Why is there no point in a sub-ohm build on a regulated device? That makes no sense at all in fact in time people will rarely use mech devices.. please expand why would a mechanical device that is brainless be the only sub-ohm device ? And if my post makes no sense then yours is in Klingon

 

[moecat]

I use a Samsung ICR18650 32A (3200 mAh) that can be charged up to 4.35v. It has a 2C rating - i.e., 6.4A limit - but since I never hit that threshold, my Hana clone can easily last 2 days on a single charge.

 

[MrScaryZ]

I use a S amsung ICR18650 32A (3200 mAh) that can be charged up to 4.35v. It has a 2C rating - i.e., 6.4A limit - but since I never hit that threshold, my Hana clone can easily last 2 days on a single charge.

Good point I mentioned this the other day match the battery to your usage I have quite a few DNA based devices one I use panasonic 2900mah PD's (10amp)in because I never use that device to sub-ohm and it lasts me forever

 

[SMOKIE]

Hey on my ZNA I go through three 18650 battery's for the day.

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[MrScaryZ]

Hey on my ZNA I go through three 18650 battery's for the day.

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hahaha yeah on my ipv V2 it seems like its always charging what the hell were they thinking 1 18650 I need atleast 3-4

I do not breath I vape

 

[VH fan]

I use a Samsung ICR18650 32A (3200 mAh) that can be charged up to 4.35v. It has a 2C rating - i.e., 6.4A limit - but since I never hit that threshold, my Hana clone can easily last 2 days on a single charge.

Not surprising , i'm no battery expert but i have had in depth discussions with those that are and i wanted to see if what they were telling me was true.

I did my own research and spent many hours reading about the different types , how to charge the different types, when to charge them to prolong their life , what degrades them the quickest etc... etc...and regardless of where i was reading from it was clear that what they were telling me was true.

I do not , however , have experience with all things battery related , i was solely interested in doing what it took to prolong the longevity and performance of the batteries that i use.

 

[duroSIG556R]

Why is there no point in a sub-ohm build on a regulated device? That makes no sense at all in fact in time people will rarely use mech devices.. please expand why would a mechanical device that is brainless be the only sub-ohm device ? And if my post makes no sense then yours is in Klingon

Last time I'll try to explain it to you.

On a mechanical you build to sub ohms because you can get more power from the battery. On a regulated device, you simply turn up the power. Do you understand now?

 

[duroSIG556R]

Furthermore, to maintain battery life; draw lower amps on your regulated device. To do this, you go up higher in ohms. Pointless to throw a sub ohm build on something like a DNA, or SX chip.

Also, these IMR's can safely go down to 3.2, even less than that. It's not going to make a dramatic difference in the life cycle of the battery.

 

[duroSIG556R]

I'm sure Goss can explain it better than I can to those that are new. Check out this article: http://theohmpage.com/modding/goss-writes-the-importance-of-amperage-management/

 

[MrScaryZ]

Last time I'll try to explain it to you.

On a mechanical you build to sub ohms because you can get more power from the battery. On a regulated device, you simply turn up the power. Do you understand now?

So you are saying that if I have a .8 ohm build that it is senseless to use a DNA or a Yihi based board ? So I really need a Mech? what is the amp draw for a .8 ohm build? wow I must really need some huge amps

 

[MrScaryZ]

I'm sure Goss can explain it better than I can to those that are new. Check out this article: http://theohmpage.com/modding/goss-writes-the-importance-of-amperage-management/

Wow all that work you did to expalin it to me and you are just plain wrong in most of your comments you need to re-read the article and haha what is most funny is I am not the new one. It appears you are you have the slightest idea about amperage. That was fun though placating you come again and play sometime ---- Vape Lord please save us from the misguided as they do not know what they do...

 

[VH fan]

Here is some good info for those that are interested in this stuff:


How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries

Although a battery should deliver 100 percent capacity during the first year of service, it is common to see lower than specified capacities, and shelf life may have contributed to this loss. In addition, manufacturers tend to overrate their batteries; knowing that very few customers would complain. In our test, the expected capacity loss of Li-ion batteries was uniform over the 250 cycles and the batteries performed as expected.

Similar to a mechanical device that wears out faster with heavy use, so also does the depth of discharge (DoD) determine the cycle count. The shorter the discharge (low DoD), the longer the battery will last. If at all possible, avoid full discharges and charge the battery more often between uses. Partial discharge on Li-ion is fine; there is no memory and the battery does not need periodic full discharge cycles to prolong life, other than to calibrate the fuel gauge on a smart battery once in a while. Read more about Battery Calibration.

Table 2 compares the number of discharge/charge cycles Li-ion can deliver at various DoD levels before the battery capacity drops to 70 percent. The number of discharge cycles depends on many conditions and includes charge voltage, temperature and load currents. Not all Li-ion systems behave the same.

Depth of discharge

Discharge cycles

Table 2: Cycle life as a function of
depth of discharge

A partial discharge reduces stress and prolongs battery life. Elevated temperature and high currents also affect cycle life.

100% DoD

50% DoD

25% DoD

10% DoD

300 – 500

1,200 – 1,500

2,000 – 2,500

3,750 – 4,700

Lithium-ion suffers from stress when exposed to heat, so does keeping a cell at a high charge voltage. A battery dwelling above 30°C (86°F) is considered elevated temperature and for most Li-ion, a voltage above 4.10V/cell is deemed as high voltage. Exposing the battery to high temperature and dwelling in a full state-of-charge for an extended time can be more stressful than cycling. Table 3 demonstrates capacity loss as a function of temperature and SoC.

Temperature

40% charge

100% charge

Table 3: Estimated recoverable capacity when storing Li-ion for one year at various temperatures

Elevated temperature hastens capacity loss. The capacity cannot be restored. Not all Li-ion systems behave the same.

0°C

25°C

40°C

60°C

98%

96%

85%

75%

94%

80%

65%

60%
(after 3 months)

Most Li-ions are charged to 4.20V/cell and every reduction of 0.10V/cell is said to double cycle life. For example, a lithium-ion cell charged to 4.20V/cell typically delivers 300–500 cycles. If charged to only 4.10V/cell, the life can be prolonged to 600–1,000 cycles; 4.00V/cell should deliver 1,200–2,000 and 3.90V/cell 2,400–4,000 cycles. Table 4 summarizes these results. The values are estimate and depend on the type of li-ion-ion battery.

A tidbit more to add below since these posts are limited to a certain # of words.

 

[VH fan]

Charge level(V/cell)

Discharge cycles

Capacity at full charge

Table 4: Discharge cycles and capacity
as a function of charge

Every 0.10V drop below 4.20V/cell doubles the cycle; the retained capacity drops accordingly. Raising the voltage above 4.20V/cell stresses the battery and compromises safety.

[4.30]

4.20

4.10

4.00

3.92

[150 – 250]

300 – 500

600 – 1,000

1,200 – 2,000

2,400 – 4,000

~[110%]

100%

~90%

~80%

~75%

For safety reasons, lithium-ion cannot exceed 4.20V/cell. While a higher voltage would boost capacity, over-voltage shortens service life and compromises safety. Figure 5 demonstrates cycle count as a function of charge voltage. At 4.35V, the cycle count is cut in half.

Figure 5: Effects on cycle life at elevated charge voltages

Higher charge voltages boost capacity but lowers cycle life and compromises safety.

Source: Choi et al. (2002)

Chargers for cellular phones, laptops, tablets and digital cameras bring the Li-ion battery to 4.20V/cell. This allows maximum capacity, because the consumer wants nothing less than optimal runtime. Industry, on the other hand, is more concerned about longevity and may choose lower voltage thresholds. Satellites and electric vehicles are examples where longevity is more important than capacity.

Charging to 4.10V/cell the battery holds about 10 percent less capacity than going all the way to 4.20V. In terms of optimal longevity, a voltage limit of 3.92V/cell works best but the capacity would only be about half compared to a 4.20V/cell charge (3.92V/cell is said to eliminate all voltage-related stresses).

Besides selecting the best-suited voltage thresholds for a given application, Li-ion should not remain at the high-voltage ceiling of 4.20V/cell for an extended time. When fully charged, remove the battery and allow to voltage to revert to a more natural level like relaxing after exercise. Although a properly functioning Li-ion charger will terminate charge when the battery is full, some chargers apply a topping charge if the battery terminal voltage drops to a given level. Read more about Charging Lithium-ion.

What the user can do
The author of this essay does not depend on the manufacturer’s specifications alone but also listens to user comments. BatteryUniversity.comis an excellent sounding board to connect with the public and learn about reality. This approach might be unscientific, but it is genuine. When the critical mass speaks, the manufacturers listen. The voice of the multitude is in some ways stronger than laboratory tests performed in sheltered environments.

Tables 2, 3 and 4 look at cycle life as a function of discharge, temperature and charge level. A summary table should be added that also states the Optimal Battery Energy Factor Over Life. While this would help in selecting the optimal battery, battery makers are hesitant to release such a specification freely, and for good reason. A battery is in constant flux and capturing all of its data is exhaustive. A further criterion is price. Batteries can be built to perform better but this comes at a cost.

Let’s look at real-life situations and examine what stresses lithium-ion batteries encounter. Most packs last three to five years. Environmental conditions, and not cycling alone, are a key ingredient to longevity, and the worst situation is keeping a fully charged battery at elevated temperatures. This is the case when running a laptop off the power grid. Under these conditions, a battery will typically last for about two years, whether cycled or not. The pack does not die suddenly but will give lower runtimes with aging.

Even more stressful is leaving a battery in a hot car, especially if exposed to the sun. When not in use, store the battery in a cool place. For long-term storage, manufacturers recommend a 40 percent charge. This allows for some self-discharge while still retaining sufficient charge to keep the protection circuit active. Finding the ideal state-of-charge is not easy; this would require a discharge with appropriate cut-off. Do not worry too much about the state-of-charge; a cool and dry place is more important than SoC. Read more about How to Store Batteries.

Avoid charging a battery faster than 1C; a more moderate charge rate of 0.7C is preferred. Manufacturers of electric powertrains are concerned about super-fast charging of 20 minutes and less. Similarly, harsh discharges should be avoided as also this also adds to battery stress. Read more about Charging Lithium-ion and Ultra-fast Chargers.


Everyone wants to keep the battery as long as possible, but a battery must often operate in environments that are not conducive to optimal service life. Furthermore, the life of a battery may be cut short by an unexpected failure, and in this respect the battery shares human volatility.

To get a better understanding of what causes irreversible capacity loss in Li-ion batteries, several research laboratories* are performing forensic tests. Scientists dissected failed batteries to find suspected problem areas on the electrodes. Examining an unrolled 1.5-meter-long strip (5 feet) of metal tape coated with oxide reveals that the finely structured nanomaterials have coarsened. Further studies revealed that the lithium ions responsible to shuttle electric charge between the electrodes had diminished on the cathode and had permanently settled on the anode. This results in the cathode having a lower lithium concentration than a new cell, a phenomenon that is irreversible. Knowing the reason for such capacity loss might enable battery manufacturers to prolong battery life in the future.


* Research is performed by the Center for Automotive Research at the Ohio State University in collaboration with Oak Ridge National Laboratory and the National Institute of Standards Technology.

Simple Guidelines to Prolong Lithium-ion Batteries

• Do not discharge Li-ion too low; charge more often.
• A random or partial charge is fine. Li-ion does not need a full charge.
• Limit the time the battery resides at 4.20/cell (full charge), especially if warm.
• Moderate the charge current to between 0.5C and 0.8C for cobalt-based lithium-ion. Avoid ultra-fast charging and discharging.
• If the charger allows, lower the charge voltage limit to prolong battery life.
• Keep the battery cool. Move it away from heat-generating environments. Avoid hot cars and windowsills.

 

[duroSIG556R]

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_...oss_writes_your_ipv2_hates_you_he_told_me_so/

 

[duroSIG556R]

My information still proves to be correct. Sorry if I haven't responded to this thread in a few days, it's become clear this forum has a lot of misinformed people that aren't trying to learn anything.

You can still discharge an IMR down to 3.2 if you like. They can safely go below that. Go look up your battery's discharge voltage. In the end it's not going to make a noticeable difference in the life of the battery. The life of the battery is based on cycles. Look that up. I'm done.

 

[duroSIG556R]

Wow all that work you did to expalin it to me and you are just plain wrong in most of your comments you need to re-read the article and haha what is most funny is I am not the new one. It appears you are you have the slightest idea about amperage. That was fun though placating you come again and play sometime ---- Vape Lord please save us from the misguided as they do not know what they do...

I think you lack an understanding in reading comprehension.

 

[duroSIG556R]

 

[Celtic Fog]

Pegasus is an idiot fuck tard, who barely understands how to tie his shoes. He posted videos telling people that PG was hazardous, then told people to buy VG only juices from his friends at.....Fuck that retard. I would bitch slap him if I ever saw him in person...Duro, your hipsterness has been noted.

 

[MrScaryZ]

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_...oss_writes_your_ipv2_hates_you_he_told_me_so/

haha well I think Celtic said enough. However, its funny how you quote references that are not even credible. I will not even argue will you .. I get indigestion thinking of badly you need serious help.. Do you bounce around life just blabbing references from youtube? and Reddit? I want to laugh but actually feel sorry for you. I built this nice 24guage RDA last night and man I will tell ya It was firing like a motha.. but then again I understand amperage.. enough now go read some credible sources like you know from the roots.. Start with electronics then I would suggest moving on to more advanced things..
And I do have a serious question. Are you Goss? because if you are this is what you need to do now listen close take a hammer hand it to someone and ask them to bash your brain in. This man rants about volts only it almost reminds me of someone ranting about how great their car is as they live in a sewer.. Lets forget Ohm's law lets forget everything else and let me rant... Now go on and follow Goss and let him lead you into the River Styx

 

[Ellipsis]

no dog in this fight ... yet

i trust the batt. university folk/ candlepower folk...way before utube fucktards...

just sayin...


any trouble understanding my jibberish?...
careful or this thread may end up in the " parking lot/u mad bro " cesspools...

 

[MrScaryZ]

no dog in this fight ... yet

i trust the batt. university folk/ candlepower folk...way before utube fucktards...

just sayin...


any trouble understanding my jibberish?...
careful or this thread may end up in the " parking lot/u mad bro " cesspools...

See that behavior is what you see at ECF from @duroSIG556R hip shootting then quoting nut bags that like to blab but they are gibbering
Its funny but I am not going to sit by while he pushes off bullshit on this community.

 

[Ellipsis]

See that behavior is what you see at ECF from @duroSIG556R hip shotting then quoting nut bags that like to blab but they are gibbering
Its funny but I am not going to sit by while he pushes off bullshit on this community.

battery stuff is complicated...
temp, hi/lo stress, how far you discharge to get good cycles vs how far down you drain to get you through the day...
continuous discharge rate

i just posted a question for the experts concerning an aw imr 18650 2000 mAh...
cant find the proper on line calculator...
will see what they say as for my dilema

@ VH fan posted the most up to date and relied on information in his posts above...
dry as hell reading, but it is the current skinny, and i would second what he/she posted

 

[MrScaryZ]

battery stuff is complicated...
temp, hi/lo stress, how far you discharge to get good cycles vs how far down you drain to get you through the day...
continuous discharge rate

i just posted a question for the experts concerning an aw imr 18650 2000 mAh...
cant find the proper on line calculator...
will see what they say as for my dilema

You do know that AW batteries are relabeled? the question is what battery is it really?

 

[Ellipsis]

sure, piss in my post toasties...
totally was under the impression that they were made by aw...
totally confused and frustrated now!!
as long as i can take them up to 19-20 watts or so without blowing my face off im good
if not i suppose i will research a different battery for my regulated battery mod...
want to play with the magma rda and readyxwick (no subohming)