Does vaping actually cause brain/heart/lung damage? (Serious Discussion)

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  1. Sneakysnake

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    Now I tried posting this question on ECR (Electronic cigarette reddit) and that was a horrible idea because all I got was non serious and sarcastic replies along with downvotes and mocking. I've learned now that ECR is just a toxic circle jerk, filled with brain dead assholes who all have a hive mind mentality, if you have anything bad to say about vaping or even question it on there you are getting crucified.

    I just had to get that off my chest, anyway back to the original topic.

    With all these studies coming out saying that we are actually inhaling metallic particles (Heavy metals such as lead, nickel, chromium, manganese ETC) and mass volumes of nicotine can cause heart attacks and strokes, I'm kind of spooked, a lot of people are saying that this is the work of big tobacco and they are using scare tactics and there is not any validity to these claims but a part of me thinks why would someone go so out of their way to smear vaping this badly? Especially when vaping is a billion dollar industry, I mean I'm sure the government is all for it since we still pay taxes on it and all the states are getting a shit ton of money, in my eyes vaping will easily surpass cigarette sales within a decade so shouldn't there be more articles saying it is good for you and a better option?

    I don't know, lately I have been having weird things going on with my brain, heart and lungs and this was before I even read the studies that just came, when I did read them though I started having massive anxiety, because I already had trouble focusing, I couldn't and still can't concentrate easily anymore, sometimes I get confused, especially when I wake up in the morning, I am literally confused and feel weird until I actually get out of bed and have been awake for an hour and than in about 4 hours I feel weird again until I go back to bed and wake up, I have more anxiety than I ever have and I also get really bad heart arrhythmia now every few days along with shortness of breath that lasts for about 24 hours, I will feel my heart starting and stopping as well as skipping beats in my chest and it is just very uncomfortable, also note I have been vaping 20mls a day for 3 years and never had these issues and now I'm scared it's just catching up to me. I do a new build every 3 days and I also smell the wire as I'm dry burning it, I also rewick everyday and again I smell the wire as I'm dry burning. And now I'm thinking did I fuck myself by going through so much just to chase flavor?

    I'm really scared I have brain cancer or am getting Alzheimer's or some type of brain damage because it seems to get worse everyday. A lot of people are telling me it is just anxiety and I know it's not, I have had anxiety my whole life and this is a completely different type of feeling

    Instead of saying it's scare tactics and the boogie man shouldn't we be taking all studies very serious and talking about it? Like I don't even trust ECR anymore because all they ever say is that it's big tobacco paying these companies to put of bogus information and try to use their pseudo intellectualism to tear the study apart. If the study is bogus, it is bogus but we shouldn't be shooting down every study that comes out

    Anyway, that is all.
     
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    You are going to die. Get over it.
     
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    Cool story bro.
     
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    Quit vaping.

    I don't know what's wrong with you. But you should quit vaping. Then you don't have to worry about it. Problem solved.
     
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    Smart thing for this, is see your dr.. go get checked out, tell him/her family history, let them run as many tests etc.. and then talk with your dr about these issues.

    If we took all studies serious.. hmm I wish.. but there are just as many crackpots out there as there are good studies too. You have to learn how to become discerning.. study who did the study, the object of the study, and why.. then think what you want to think once you have dipped your toes into what these studies are.. Follow the $.. ;)

    Just because it is out there, does it make it real? Or is it just a shadow?
     
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    Because the cancer/BP/BT is a multi-trillion dollar industry compared to vaping. Quite simple.
     
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    paranoia
    Inhaling toxic chemicals
    anxiety
    lack of sleep
    heart palpatations
    increased usage
    jonesing in the morning
    perceived heightened sense perceptions (such as sense of smell)
    delusions
    brain damage


    Everything you describe sounds like symptoms of a crack addiction.
     
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    I only mentioned 3 of 11 you mentioned so I have no idea where that even came from.
     
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    Just reading between the lines bro. If you can draw conclusions of brain cancer and whatever other ailments, I can come to the conclusion of crack addiction.

    The good news is no matter what we choose to do we are all going to die anyway.
     
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    states are losing money because of vaping
    vaping is leading to less cigarette sales
    SO?
    Do you remember the tobacco settlement that many states won tons of money from?

    Well the yearly payments on that from BT to the state is based on cigarette sales in that state
    SO less cigarette sales=less money from BT
    Now on top of that many states didn't want to wait for the money, so they sold bonds based on EXPECTED revenue from the settlement, but the Actual revenue is lower and now they are having to basically rob Peter to pay Paul in order to cover the Bonds.
    Vaping is hurting many state governments

    most if not all the toxic chemicals we supposedly inhale form vaping, only happens at temperatures we do not use and at lower temps it does not happen
    OSHA ,(i think or maybe some other federal agency) did a study of the Air quality in a vape shop., and guess what the air quality there along with the surfaces and all came back pretty damn clean with just a few comments on ways to improve.

    BT and BP are losing money from cigarette sales, and sales of smoking cessation products.

    SO there is lots of money being lost due to vaping so there is plenty of motivation to smear the vaping industry
     
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    But have you quit vaping yet?

    I'm not sure what you hope to gain from this thread. Surely, if we thought we were going to die from vaping, we'd all quit vaping. I think it's fairly obvious that your not going to find a lot of vapers that think vaping is killing them.

    So, you should quit vaping. When you get a diagnoses that vaping is killing you, by all means, share it with us. You'll be the first. But until then, there is not a single case of vaping having caused long term health problems. Yours included.
     
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    Over here in the UK the studies seem to be much more in favour of vaping than what I have seen in the US.

    The only reason I can think of this is because vaping is genuinely safer than smoking. I think this because we have the NHS- smokers illness actually costs us, and the government money, so they want people to go to a healthier alternative. While in the USA, healthcare is private, so money is made from people with smoking related illness, so why would they want people using a safer alternative?

    Now, I don't think vaping is completely safe-nothing is. Also, granted we don't know long term health effects, but inhaling anything that isn't meant to go into your lungs isn't going to be completely safe.

    I do think you need to see the Dr though, whatever is wrong isn't normal. It could be really bad anxiety from your fear created by vaping, panic attacks can make you feel like you are having a heart attack or skipping beats.

    Either quit vaping, or know you are using something safer than smoking and try to get over the fear somehow.
     
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    They may lack social grace over there, but they're right. However, it is governments, Big Pharma, Big Tobacco and the Anti-Tobacco industries that are all anti-vaping. They may not be colluding with each other, but they all have a vested interest in smoking not going away.

    No, we shouldn't "be taking all studies very serious...". Many studies are garbage. Now, if you want to have a conversation about how the pseudo-science approach is being battered down the throats of the masses who don't know the difference between cause, correlation and con men, then it's already happening here and elsewhere.
     
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    This ^^^^^
     
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    The proposition is quite simple:

    - Vaping may be bad for your health
    - Smoking is proven to be bad for your health

    So if you have to fill your lungs with something, vape, don't smoke. That's the basic tenet of the risk reduction approach to smoking cessation. If doesn't really matter what new risks you expose yourself to when you vape, so long as you reduce your overall risk.

    Of course, everybody agrees that the best option is to not fill your lungs with anything but air. But it's not that simple for smokers and us ex-smokers, as we all know.
     
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    Vaping is much safer than smoking according to unbiased experts.

    All the thing mentioned by the opening post are a result of living.
    Especially in today's world of pollution and artificial food ingredients and such.

    Most everyone peaks before 30 and begins to slowly degrade even if no outside influences.
    It is the cycle of life in humans.
     
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    Go see your doctor and tell him your symptoms.
    My cousin works in a hospital and I told her about your problem.
    She doubts it's from vaping but COULD be something more serious
     
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    Studies show nicotine slows the aging of the brain. Maybe you need to get some CBD it has been shown to help with brain damage in preemies
     
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    Well said Conan
     
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    The even better news is at least now we know exactly what it is we are going to die of... I laughed so hard about this thread I swear I could feel my heart skip a few beats. :D
     
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    That was probably the vaping giving you a heart attack. Best lay off for a while. Could be fatal.
     
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    dosen't seem like posting here was much better than ECR. I would also love to believe that vaping is isn't so bad but I've done alot of research myself and the danger seems to be the different flavour concentrates and I have been getting many really bad side effects from vaping. seems to effect the cardiovascular system especially, i get extremely light headed, blood pressure goes up and lungs get dry and as a result you will feel much more anxiety, anything that affects your heart or breathing can produce anxiety even your breathing technique. I suggest you look up peer reviewed studies of the individual components that are in the concentrates like furfuryl alcohol which we know is in TPA pie crust and probably others. If memory serves I remember it showed neurotoxic effects and was correlated with demyelination in the brain even at very low PPM which would cause your brain and reaction time to slow down. Im getting around most of my side effects by not inhaling into my lungs anymore, mouth only.

    heres a few links to get you started its been a while since I looked at these
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12571681
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6884301

    Furfuryl is just one component, one flavour can easily be 100 or more individual aromas
    and 1 recipe can have 10 flavors, so that can be over 1000 different chemicals were inhaling deep into the lungs.
    im considering just vaping flavorless because I don't think its the nicotine/vg/pg doing much damage.
    On the flipside it could just be functional impairment, you can feel like your dieing and be 100% fine.
    I still vape flavour's just not lung hits
     
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    I hope you come back and see this, most vapers want to defend vaping whether it kills them or not and they really have no way of drawing these conclusions, and no excuse for trolling people that just want to know. answers like just quit vaping or so what were all gonna die anyway etc are reeeeallly missing the point no idea why they came in here what kind of answer is that??? WHY AREN'T YOU SMOKING THEN?!
     
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    furfuryl alcohol should be the least of your concerns. The fluoride in your toothpaste, aluminum in your deodorant, dyes in food, GMO's, hormones in food, traffic pollution, etc.... These are things that are actively killing you, right now. As we speak.

    Know how many vaping related deaths have been reported from furfuryl alcohol? 0 , I do not expect that number to rise.

    You can find no short list of cancer deaths, stroke deaths, and so on from the others. More people have died this year from worrying than have died from furfuryl alcohol and vaping combined (all years).

    Its your business if you want to stress over it, if trace elements of solvents and chemicals freak you out and cause you problems, quit using them but you will have to look at every part of your life from what you clean your floors with, wash your clothes with, the paint on your walls and what the wood in your attic is made with, the chemicals used to treat your clothing, your hygiene products and so on. Vaping is infinitely safer than smoking and I would reckon at least a 100 fold safer than fast food. Statistically, you are more likely to die behind the wheel of a car, than puffing on a vape.
     
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    Ohh I agree as time goes on and more testing is done flavorings will be found to cause more problems than PG/VG or Nicotine.
    Still will be far safer than smoking for MOST people.

    Vaping many commercial ejuices cause me extreme distress. Seriously Inflamed mouth, throat and lungs.
    When I first started vaping it was horrible, found 1 Chinese gas station tobacco flavor juice I could vape. Otherwise I would still be smoking.
    Very quickly started DIY.
    I toss more flavorings for the issue I have with them than I keep. Do not know which chemicals cause me the problems but some do.

    And it was not a transition to vaping thing as I still get the issue with many flavorings. I have just learned to try them with caution and wait a bit to check for effects. If I just keep vaping it for a day then the next few days is bad.
    Ohh and one symptom is total loss of taste.
    Makes me wonder if vapers tongue is not just a milder reaction to some flavorings by other vapers?
    I only vape with flavorings that cause me no issues and NEVER have vapers tongue.
    100% DIY for over 3 years.

    And yes this issue will NOT be brought up by the juice industry.
     
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    Jwill I agree with you on many of those things, I just like to know the facts if you want to vape on in ignorance that's your business. But we are not really talking about dieing of vaping we are talking about quality of living, vaping certain things can affect you in lots of ways we just want the facts so we can make informed choices. I used furfuryl as a small example its one component out of thousands and I don't stress too much about it, I love flavour art apple pie, good chance it's in there. But I didn't really have a choice but to put vaping under a microscope because of some the side effects I sometimes get and I am alot more comfortable with vaping now because I believe these are mostly short term side effects and I would likely get back to 100% if I ever stop vaping for a month or so, can't say that about cigarettes and vaping is MUCH easier to quit or take a break from.
     
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    Cromwell any idea what caused your loss of taste? and yea hahaha big vape will be the next big tobacco......maybe.
    For me since I started MTL I only get extreme dryness in my nose and dry lungs its bad though scabs everywhere hard to breathe through the nose and this non-stop ringing in my ear for the last year which could be something else but alot of people on here are talking about tinnitus lately, I only vape a few ML's a day It's manageable though I just take a break and I'm happy we have vape.
     
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    Some ingredient or ingredients in many flavorings is all I can say.
    And I am only speaking from my personal experience and realize that my experience is a minority thing. At least to the degree of my bad reaction to some flavorings.
    I do wonder though if reactions in a much lesser degree cause vapors tongue?
    Been vaping CAP Vanilla custard V1 for well over 2 years with no vapers tongue.
    Fruit flavorings seem to be the worst offenders overall for my bad reaction.
     
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    Its not an ignorance thing and I am anything but. I am fully aware of the possible risks and participate willingly, and while your situation is unique by a long shot you should rule vaping out. I know someone who went deaf in one ear due to a food allergy, so I know its a real possibility you could be having issues due to vaping.

    I take issue with the PSA that is this post in that it is a cautionary tale more so than fact finding mission. A person who may want to take up vaping to quit smoking may see this and continue smoking, because its a "shocking" headline.

    While I am not a doctor and you are not either, there is no reason to be raising the alarm for doom and death on something if you do not have all of the facts.I have done my research and come to my own conclusions, brain cancer, lung cancer and so on are pretty far down my list of concerns for vaping. At a decade in of heavy vaping, I like to think I have some understanding of what I am doing.

    Had you started the conversation differently as many others do with health concerns you would have received a much different reception from so many others, myself included.

    There are risks involved with vaping, real ones. That is not in dispute. I however am more afraid of being hit and killed in a car than I am of trace elements of particles being inhaled into my lungs.
     
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    You seem to be very confused, since I am not the OP. For someone who claims to do research you don't read so good. I merely stood up and gave him my experience and never once said anything was truth only my experience and I encouraged him to do his own research. I also made a point to say that my symptoms could be caused by something else and I even agreed with you that smoking is worse than vaping so honestly what the hell are you talking about? lung and brain cancer might be far down on your list but for those of us who like living it's not. I was being nice earlier about agreeing with you when really all you were doing was changing the subject. we are not talking about toothpaste.......or deodorant or traffic pollution we are talking about vaping. re-read the entire thread again, stay on topic and maybe we can go from there.
     
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    Well then excuse the fuck out of me asshole. Since you are the boss, you can drive.
     
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    I was going to say just post a meme XD
    but seriously what do you expect lol it's like you didn't even read what I typed or even my name, you confused me with the OP
    somehow and put many words in my mouth that I did not say, not to mention minor trolling of the OP who only wanted a serious discussion and has a very valid question
     
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    You do not get to be the moral authority. Like anything else, open forum. Get what you get. I did mistake you for OP, get over yourself.
     
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    No hard feelings here Jwill, those belong to you. And again im only giving my opinion, I'd be happy to continue the conversation once you give me a response that dosen't force me to reiterate myself. I understand your defensive of vaping, im not anti-vaping, im vaping right now. And most people that read carefully will understand that because I choose my words carefully. Am I hurting your potential profits or something? Just because your "alive" after 10 years of heavy vaping dosen't mean we should not be concerned with possible side effects.
     
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    Like you said open forum so why you so mad bro?
     
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    Ingesting or inhaling the same things impact people differently.
    I love peanut butter, however it can kill some people.
    Poison ivy does not bother me, however the wife can just get close to it in hot weather and break out.

    Just because many/most do not have any ill effects from vaping some flavorings does not mean that no one will.

    I think vaping causes my feet to stink....
     
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    haha maybe you just notice your foot stink more now, I can smell things I never could before I quit smokes, oh and taste too loving that.
    Jwill think's i will deter people from starting vaping but I really think most people will end up here like I did because I was having symptoms and was seriously considering quitting vaping, the research and minor testing I did helped me keep on vaping and not go back to ciggies. what % of vapers are really on this forum especially BEFORE they start vaping? .0001%? less??
     
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    You are probably close in that estimate and the vapers on here are maybe .0001% or less of the vapers in the USA.
    A small percentage of those on all vape boards are those promoting their vape wares.
    Anything negative about vaping at all tends to upset them.
     
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    I was on a serious Rich Cinnamon FLV binge for a while. After a couple of months I experienced breathing difficulty. Specifically, it was difficult to inhale deeply and a burning sensation while attempting to do so. I stopped with the RC and within 5 days I was fine. Damn near everything has the potential to harm us so we need to be careful, thoughtful and pay attention to what we do. At the end of the day, vaping beats smoking.
     
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    Agreed. Based on 2 fairly recent surveys (1 in Australia, 1 in the U.S.) each having been conducted with a large sample size, we can conclude that almost 1 adult person out of 3 reported having experienced harm to personal health, sometimes even serious harm, after inhaling the fumes of scented/fragranced consumer products such as perfumes, household products, and body care products, yet it is the visibility of our clouds that we exhale when we vape that attracts the most political attention because the corrupt fact finding mission's main goal is to first protect the big chemical plants, big pharma, and big tobacco.
     
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    yep although with some it take trial and tribulations to get it working for them.
    Speaking of my self.
    Had I not found that 1 cheap gas station tobacco ejuice that I could vape with no problems I would have gone back to smoking and been an anti vaping type most likely.

    Vapers should try and help resolve new vapers issues to keep em off the cigs.
    But those who come to a vaping board looking for medical help....
    Kinda like going to DR Oz to try and figure out what is wrong with your car.
     
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    jwill The Great King of Nothing VU Donator Gold Contributor VU Challenge Team Reddit Exile

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    I'm not mad at all. It is literally impossible for an internet stranger to raise my blood pressure even slightly. You are right, I am defensive about vaping. I have a strong desire to ensure it survives the FDA so I can continue to enjoy it and to ensure others trying to quit smoking have the same opportunities afforded me through vaping. To say it changed my life by getting me off the stinkies is an understatement.

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    SteveS45 Diamond Contributor Member For 2 Years ECF Refugee

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    Like that old saying............. Anything in Moderation
     
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    you guys are adorable!
     
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    I can already see which ones are sitting in vape shops whilst peddling their wares on the forums, nothin wrong with that.
    the truth does come out in the end but until then most of what we have is user reports on health. Just tired of hearing the same thing over and over again
    look at the 5 first posts in this thread. big pharma big tobacocooooooo! crackhead!!! herpa derp no wonder he never came back
     
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    you guys realize you are now the new big tobacco in training right?

    edit: obviously not everyone here cromwell is cool..... you guys know who you are.
     
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    Carambrda Gold Contributor Member For 1 Year

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    Of course we know who we are. We're the ones who understand the fact, not entirely without risk admittedly, that vaping saves lives whereas undisclosed substances like fragrances in perfumes/deodorizers were reported to cause harm to personal health by almost 1 out of 3 adult participants in the 2 surveys so let's all go and attack vaping instead whilst we can deny that we're anti-vaping and whilst we can ignore those harmful fragrances just for the sake of winning in politics and of corporate greed, and, when it comes to the soot and the nitrogen dioxide emissions of diesel car exhausts, let's simply do the same.
     
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    The Cromwell The Frugal Vapist VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 2 Years

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    yeah I think that BT wants to eliminate the open systems and push for legalizing the non refillable systems.
    Much more profit in that and I expect that they can convince the FDA that they can know what is in the vape if it is a sealed system and the manufacturers are watched over.

    And the non refillable systems will still offer a way to get off of cigs.
    Just will be more expensive and kinda suck with the limited options and no clouds for daze....

    Not how I want it to turn out but what I see as a likely outcome.
     
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