Does vaping actually cause brain/heart/lung damage? (Serious Discussion)

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  1. Sneakysnake

    Sneakysnake New Member

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    Now I tried posting this question on ECR (Electronic cigarette reddit) and that was a horrible idea because all I got was non serious and sarcastic replies along with downvotes and mocking. I've learned now that ECR is just a toxic circle jerk, filled with brain dead assholes who all have a hive mind mentality, if you have anything bad to say about vaping or even question it on there you are getting crucified.

    I just had to get that off my chest, anyway back to the original topic.

    With all these studies coming out saying that we are actually inhaling metallic particles (Heavy metals such as lead, nickel, chromium, manganese ETC) and mass volumes of nicotine can cause heart attacks and strokes, I'm kind of spooked, a lot of people are saying that this is the work of big tobacco and they are using scare tactics and there is not any validity to these claims but a part of me thinks why would someone go so out of their way to smear vaping this badly? Especially when vaping is a billion dollar industry, I mean I'm sure the government is all for it since we still pay taxes on it and all the states are getting a shit ton of money, in my eyes vaping will easily surpass cigarette sales within a decade so shouldn't there be more articles saying it is good for you and a better option?

    I don't know, lately I have been having weird things going on with my brain, heart and lungs and this was before I even read the studies that just came, when I did read them though I started having massive anxiety, because I already had trouble focusing, I couldn't and still can't concentrate easily anymore, sometimes I get confused, especially when I wake up in the morning, I am literally confused and feel weird until I actually get out of bed and have been awake for an hour and than in about 4 hours I feel weird again until I go back to bed and wake up, I have more anxiety than I ever have and I also get really bad heart arrhythmia now every few days along with shortness of breath that lasts for about 24 hours, I will feel my heart starting and stopping as well as skipping beats in my chest and it is just very uncomfortable, also note I have been vaping 20mls a day for 3 years and never had these issues and now I'm scared it's just catching up to me. I do a new build every 3 days and I also smell the wire as I'm dry burning it, I also rewick everyday and again I smell the wire as I'm dry burning. And now I'm thinking did I fuck myself by going through so much just to chase flavor?

    I'm really scared I have brain cancer or am getting Alzheimer's or some type of brain damage because it seems to get worse everyday. A lot of people are telling me it is just anxiety and I know it's not, I have had anxiety my whole life and this is a completely different type of feeling

    Instead of saying it's scare tactics and the boogie man shouldn't we be taking all studies very serious and talking about it? Like I don't even trust ECR anymore because all they ever say is that it's big tobacco paying these companies to put of bogus information and try to use their pseudo intellectualism to tear the study apart. If the study is bogus, it is bogus but we shouldn't be shooting down every study that comes out

    Anyway, that is all.
     
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  2. PoppaVic

    PoppaVic Bronze Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    You are going to die. Get over it.
     
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    Cool story bro.
     
  4. Time

    Time Platinum Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    Quit vaping.

    I don't know what's wrong with you. But you should quit vaping. Then you don't have to worry about it. Problem solved.
     
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    Smart thing for this, is see your dr.. go get checked out, tell him/her family history, let them run as many tests etc.. and then talk with your dr about these issues.

    If we took all studies serious.. hmm I wish.. but there are just as many crackpots out there as there are good studies too. You have to learn how to become discerning.. study who did the study, the object of the study, and why.. then think what you want to think once you have dipped your toes into what these studies are.. Follow the $.. ;)

    Just because it is out there, does it make it real? Or is it just a shadow?
     
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    JuicyLucy My name is Lucy and I am a squonkaholic VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 2 Years ECF Refugee

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    Because the cancer/BP/BT is a multi-trillion dollar industry compared to vaping. Quite simple.
     
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    paranoia
    Inhaling toxic chemicals
    anxiety
    lack of sleep
    heart palpatations
    increased usage
    jonesing in the morning
    perceived heightened sense perceptions (such as sense of smell)
    delusions
    brain damage


    Everything you describe sounds like symptoms of a crack addiction.
     
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    I only mentioned 3 of 11 you mentioned so I have no idea where that even came from.
     
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    Just reading between the lines bro. If you can draw conclusions of brain cancer and whatever other ailments, I can come to the conclusion of crack addiction.

    The good news is no matter what we choose to do we are all going to die anyway.
     
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    states are losing money because of vaping
    vaping is leading to less cigarette sales
    SO?
    Do you remember the tobacco settlement that many states won tons of money from?

    Well the yearly payments on that from BT to the state is based on cigarette sales in that state
    SO less cigarette sales=less money from BT
    Now on top of that many states didn't want to wait for the money, so they sold bonds based on EXPECTED revenue from the settlement, but the Actual revenue is lower and now they are having to basically rob Peter to pay Paul in order to cover the Bonds.
    Vaping is hurting many state governments

    most if not all the toxic chemicals we supposedly inhale form vaping, only happens at temperatures we do not use and at lower temps it does not happen
    OSHA ,(i think or maybe some other federal agency) did a study of the Air quality in a vape shop., and guess what the air quality there along with the surfaces and all came back pretty damn clean with just a few comments on ways to improve.

    BT and BP are losing money from cigarette sales, and sales of smoking cessation products.

    SO there is lots of money being lost due to vaping so there is plenty of motivation to smear the vaping industry
     
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    But have you quit vaping yet?

    I'm not sure what you hope to gain from this thread. Surely, if we thought we were going to die from vaping, we'd all quit vaping. I think it's fairly obvious that your not going to find a lot of vapers that think vaping is killing them.

    So, you should quit vaping. When you get a diagnoses that vaping is killing you, by all means, share it with us. You'll be the first. But until then, there is not a single case of vaping having caused long term health problems. Yours included.
     
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    Over here in the UK the studies seem to be much more in favour of vaping than what I have seen in the US.

    The only reason I can think of this is because vaping is genuinely safer than smoking. I think this because we have the NHS- smokers illness actually costs us, and the government money, so they want people to go to a healthier alternative. While in the USA, healthcare is private, so money is made from people with smoking related illness, so why would they want people using a safer alternative?

    Now, I don't think vaping is completely safe-nothing is. Also, granted we don't know long term health effects, but inhaling anything that isn't meant to go into your lungs isn't going to be completely safe.

    I do think you need to see the Dr though, whatever is wrong isn't normal. It could be really bad anxiety from your fear created by vaping, panic attacks can make you feel like you are having a heart attack or skipping beats.

    Either quit vaping, or know you are using something safer than smoking and try to get over the fear somehow.
     
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    They may lack social grace over there, but they're right. However, it is governments, Big Pharma, Big Tobacco and the Anti-Tobacco industries that are all anti-vaping. They may not be colluding with each other, but they all have a vested interest in smoking not going away.

    No, we shouldn't "be taking all studies very serious...". Many studies are garbage. Now, if you want to have a conversation about how the pseudo-science approach is being battered down the throats of the masses who don't know the difference between cause, correlation and con men, then it's already happening here and elsewhere.
     
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    This ^^^^^
     
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    The proposition is quite simple:

    - Vaping may be bad for your health
    - Smoking is proven to be bad for your health

    So if you have to fill your lungs with something, vape, don't smoke. That's the basic tenet of the risk reduction approach to smoking cessation. If doesn't really matter what new risks you expose yourself to when you vape, so long as you reduce your overall risk.

    Of course, everybody agrees that the best option is to not fill your lungs with anything but air. But it's not that simple for smokers and us ex-smokers, as we all know.
     
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    Vaping is much safer than smoking according to unbiased experts.

    All the thing mentioned by the opening post are a result of living.
    Especially in today's world of pollution and artificial food ingredients and such.

    Most everyone peaks before 30 and begins to slowly degrade even if no outside influences.
    It is the cycle of life in humans.
     
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    Go see your doctor and tell him your symptoms.
    My cousin works in a hospital and I told her about your problem.
    She doubts it's from vaping but COULD be something more serious
     
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    Studies show nicotine slows the aging of the brain. Maybe you need to get some CBD it has been shown to help with brain damage in preemies
     
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    Well said Conan
     
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    The even better news is at least now we know exactly what it is we are going to die of... I laughed so hard about this thread I swear I could feel my heart skip a few beats. :D
     
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    That was probably the vaping giving you a heart attack. Best lay off for a while. Could be fatal.
     
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