I'm not saying that all of the members are idiots, just the moderators. I was browsing the forums last week, and saw a post asking for opinions & help, so I read it, and a guy was saying he was real new to the vaping world & wanted to get some opinions of others as to where to find righteous information about everything vaping. So, I assumed I was helping the dude and I suggested a good read of some of the topics here on the Vaping Underground, since it has been a tremendous blessing for me to be here, and I have learned so much in a short while, and for good deals, maybe take a look at VaperJoe's. Everyone likes to save money right? Well, for some assholes on there, they are so chickenshit and afraid of people looking and finding what they need on here, it scares the living shit out of them. And I got banned for and their excuse was...."for fornulating a forum war" Are these fucking people serious? Obviously, some have been watching too much tv, and have too much time on their hands. And these are the same morons that told me I was not ready or skilled enough for RBA's. Yeah, right. Then how come I am vaping on 4 of them every day?? And I build my own coils with 28 guage Kanthal, 5 wraps, and I'm getting readings from 1.1 to 1.3. And my Kayfuns & Taifuns are doing wonderfully! Plenty of vapor, and great flavor, and I owe ALL of my knowledge learned to the many wonderful friends I have made on THESE forums! I have asked many questions on here, and everytime, EVERYTIME...I have been treated with decency, & respect, & have answered my questions, & or directed me to where I could find the answer. So, at the risk of offending someone...I say fuck ECF. I am right where I need to be, and will never look elsewhere. VaperJoe's has shown me quite a few deals and I've been able to save a load of money on different vaping needs, and The Underground is THE ONLY forum to go to for answers, how to's, or anything vaping. PERIOD. So, fuck ECF.