EVOLV GETS THE PATENT ON WATTAGE AND A NEW CHIP IS COMING

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  1. VaporJoe

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    On 9/2/2014 Evolv will have the Patent on variable power / wattage. This goes all the way back to their original variable wattage device - The Darwin. This is a big moment for the company. With that in hand Evolv has a lock on that portion of industry unless chip makers find a different way to produce the same effect. This is a true patent, not an application.

    What will Evolv do with the Patent? Only time will tell.


    On to the more exciting stuff.

    A "little birdy" told me that Evolv is coming out with a new chip. While China seems to be destroying America in terms of wattage innovation - Evolv has sat quietly working on a new chip. I have been told this new chip will control temperature. How this will be achieved is not known - but anything new from Evolv is always exciting.

    I'm hearing a release date before Christmas - perhaps a debut at ECC?






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    What alternatives to wattage and temperature do you think China will attempt to come up with?
     
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    considering wattage has bene patent for long time, someone will have to link to the patent for us to look at. but im betting it changes....nothing at all.
     
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    oh and evolvs chips have been outdated and lying to its customers for too long
     
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    http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20130104916 wattage has been patented for a while? Wattage is a "law" in physics, you can't patent the physical properties, but you can patent the idea behind regulating it towards an electronic cigarette. Also, they may be behind China, but how have they been lying to their customers?

    Edit: and since they had the first variable wattage device, and filed the patent, any device that regulated wattage afterwards would be infringing upon their patented idea
     
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    Going after other companies that make and sell VW devices, especially established ones that already do it and have loyal followings, wouldnt be a good PR move for Evolv...I could see a backlash coming for doing that if they required that each one use only an Evolv chip or else...it could be perceived as a dick move...
     
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    I am sure there is more than 1 way to create a variable wattage chip for automatic voltage regulation. The idea that Evolve will be able to say "We have patented a variable wattage device, therefore, nobody else can create there own variable wattage device, would be absurd. This will give Evolve some leverage to go after anyone trying to duplicate their chip. They won't be able to go after vw makers simply because they are variable wattage.
     
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    you need to change your design by 10% in order to work around the patent...but now the chipset design will be available to all designers looking to build a design...lol. It wont change a thing, other than them being left in the dust....Even Franklin warned....Patents will be the downfall of inventors. It will be much easier to create new and improved chipsets now. Also, they will be smart, they will liscence out the rights to as many people as they can and as fast as possible to gain some of the money back they spent trying to get a patent on it. Electronics have a 2 year life span at the most.
     
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    Contrary to what other forums are speculating...you can NOT control a patent on all VW VV devices with a blanket statement that their one patent will cover them all...they are gaining a patent on HOW the power is controlled. That would be like saying Microsoft has a patent on their OS, so nobody else can creat an OS...Chevy has a patent on their bumpers, so no other car can have bumpers. Patents do not work that way. They are granted Specific design authority. And like I said above, all you have to do is change the design by 10%, and now that they will have a patent, anyone can get their specifications from a patent office...then work out the changes. They cornered themselves into using the one design. Unless they dish out another 50 to 100k to patent their next design. At least they have 14 years of protection on their design for the dna30 chip....and no, they can not claim infringement on anything built before the actual action date granted on their patent.
     
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    yeah, trademarks and patents are tools rich people use. Not those in the middle. Now that they have a design patent, watch by next week, companies that have Utility patents on the parts that DNA chips use, will sue for using patented materials without paying a licensing fee....lol.
     
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    That's false, they cannot take action against other companies until their patent is "official" but once you file for a patent, get your provisional patent and assuming it's approved, you can go back and file a lawsuit against companies that infringed upon it during the provisional period.
     
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    Every time I consider buying a new device something better comes along or is expected soon. Here I am still using the mvp2 for my vv/vw because I don't want to spend big money on old tech. :rolleyes:
     
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    I'll throw my 2 cents in. This could be a way of satisfying investors or attracting new ones. Many won't touch or deal with a company who puts a product on the market without patent pending or an approved patent because they could easily lose their investment with very little recourse as it's a gamble when the product you're investing in has no leg to stand on (in terms of a patent and/or protection). In this case, they now have an issued patent and that'll satisfy investors, the board, etc.

    If that's the route that's being taken, perhaps they'll see new funding and said funding will go towards bettering the products they offer to the growing market of variable chips.
     
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    oh no evolve sells to big tobacco. cigalikes with better power come down the pipe :D
     
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    good luck with that. Don't get me wrong, it seams to be a great board, and they sell them to the public which is awesome, I'm sure we will se the board used for a long time. They sell them in ten packs which shows how much they sell and that they encourage the use of the board, I can imagine them getting out of the Mod business now, and focusing solely on chipsets and boards, that would be a smart move in my opinion.
     
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    Sounds like just more Lawyer Food to me. What's novel about a constant wattage power supply? What's non-obvious about measuring output voltage and current to implement it? Is applying those methods to an e-cig - essentially just a heating coil as far as the tech is concerned - really sufficiently innovative to warrant a patent?
     
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    They got a design patent, not a utility patent, so not worth cracking open a bottle of champagne as far as investors will be concerned.
     
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    Bumped
     
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    I think I sounded a bit negative there o_O
     
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    lol, spot on Kid
     
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    In the end you can't stop china anyway. In the U.S we have R&D (research and development) in china they have C&S (copy and steel or cheap shit, take your pick) evolv may not be cutting edge, buy I will take the quality of a DNA30 over a china clone any day. Just my opinion.
     
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    ya let me clarify, we have had variable wattage devises etc for long time, outside of ecigs, that are patented patents. all i can see from this patent, is nothing changing, OR evolv can look very badly out of this situation if they start getting crazy. for example when people said evolv was patenting wattage, i think most people would have agreed with me when i said ya that's not how it works. they would have to patent their board pretty much not just wattage in general.
     
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    i would rather stay forward with the progress then sit in the past with evolv chipsets. and "quality". hahaha what a joke. i will agree that america is pretty good in the R&D though
     
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    America spends quantum gazzilions! Microsoft and Apple alone spend around $10 billion per year combined last time I looked a couple of years ago.

    And this is the totality of the Uk space program:

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    Since Evolv doesn't actually MAKE their own chips, how does that work out?

    Doctor Who rules. :D

    I'll just say this: the big guys like Microsoft spend a lot more on acquiring IP than producing it.
    It's just easier to buy out a startup with a good idea than to create your own. ;-)

    I like Brandon, but I don't see Evolv winning the Wattage war at this point without some serious outsourcing.
     
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    I love the Doctor too!!! not sure how I feel about the new one yet though.....
     
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    Well aside from who makes it, this is a pretty amazing video of them being made - hundreds made and checked in one foul swoop
     
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    Hmmm, pretty amazing stuff. Gave me flashbacks from my time at Keytronix. :D

    My question is: what's' a "DNA Go" ? ;)
     
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    He'll become greedy and controlling. It's what too much money does. Just over a decade ago a big name in the cycling world tried to acquire the rights to the word or term "Mountain Biking". Of course they were unsuccessful. But it shows the lengths people are prepared to go to, to control an industry and drain a community.
     
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    I hear he scares little children lol. That's what the papers say the parents are reporting.
     
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    China is beating Evolv in the VW category with the YiHI SX350 chip and the SX330. The SX350 is flash-able ie: upgradeable via software. Evolv's boards are not. China took a base design and improved it. While I like Evolv because it's an American company, I also am disappointed that they have the huevos to dictate what technology the market will have. Evolv knows they got their butts kicked in the VW sector, now they are going the route of lawyering up once they get a patent. I foresee a big, big backlash if innovation is stifled by Evolv.

    The OKR chipset and boards are VV, does Evolv think they can strong arm the electronics industry in the field of DC/DC rectifiers? What are they vaping?
     
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    no, they are only protecting their design. Any one can make new designs. I have a feeling they will continue to allow others to buy and use their boards as well, they will have the ability to remove copycats from the us market now, not the china market however. But for the price, being so low already, why buy a knock off when they are not much cheaper than the original.
     
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    Technically speaking, variable wattage devices are in every household, every country. The iPod, stereo, boom box, any source that makes sound from a recording other than an antique wax cylinder gramophone is a variable wattage device. Think about it.
     
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    Nope, more like VV. Amplifiers often have two wattage ratings - one for 4ohm and one for 8 ohm speakers ;)
     
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    Could this patent have been a condition of the new agreement they have with Innokin? I'm sure they wanted to make sure the design was protected before putting the chips into their devices. I really don't know much of anything about this stuff, just a thought I had.
     
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    The patent application was submitted a few years ago. I researched their own links to other patents, and quite frankly, I see several other patents that discuss nearly the same thing. I am hard pressed to see what is unique about their patent claim. It seemed very generic. That said, I am no patent attorney or engineer, so what do I know. Occasionally, when challenged patents can and do get overturned.
     
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