EVOLVS NEW DNA CHIP.. WHO'S YOUR DADDY??

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  1. VaporJoe

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    Who called it? Who's yo daddy?

    As we explained in THIS POST almost a month ago - Evolv was coming with a chip that will have temperature incorporated in it. The Vaporjoes Network has people everywhere :)

    With China destroying America in terms of wattage technology its nice to see Evolv isnt sleeping.

    I can't wait to see what this new chip will do.

    The next question is.. How long until China starts pushing these?
     
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    WOW! Looks awesome. Cannot wait to see the tests on it! The fact that it has a 0.06ohm readout looks very impressive. If they are going to be able to get that low on ohms, I am really shocked. That is some really high tech stuff, to be able to keep from thinking it has a short even at 0.06 ohms!!!!

    CV :)
     
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    Yes the .06 ohms is kinda crazy lol
     
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    So much for the "dumb ohm'er" movement.
     
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    That is REALLY interesting. Cell phone wars, electronic wars, Mod wars, fun times for consumers!
     
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    For people who prefer to vape that low it's a good development , should be reliable which can't be said for the China designed and manufactured chips , imo of course.

    It's not something that interest me though, as i know my preferences and will always prefer to vape at considerably higher ohm's.

    The reliability factor is enticing .
     
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    WAR breads innovation! lol
     
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    If the chip can safely go to .06? Thats a really big step in the right direction.
     
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    Very much looking forward to seeing the first devices with this new chip. After listening to Click Bang yesterday with the comments from Dr. Farsolinos (sp?) regarding the impact of temperature on chemical reactions in juice, temperature control/temperature readings will become an important factor in vaping.
     
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    It's impressive that it can do 0.06, but surely not much practical use...? Instead of pushing 1.2V and 20A to 0.06R, it would be more efficient to push a higher voltage to a higher resistance, which would reduce the effect of resistance that isn't your actual coil (wires, connectors, etc). Great that it can though, don't get me wrong.
     
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    I have a feeling authentic "American" mods using this chip will be in the $300+ range. I'd rather wait until yihi either clones it or makes it better and buy it for a third of the price. But if American companys use their brains for once and make it affordable, I would jump on it. ie china temperature mod $100; affordable american version $150, I would buy the american one. But I doubt it'll happen since these companies always want 300%+ profit...
     
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    i wonder if evolv will take full liability for vapers vaping at their 0.06 if something goes wrong or if they'll ship their chips with disclamers
     
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    I second this. I just can't see how I will be needing this. Cool American ingenuity though.
     
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    "The next question is.. How long until China starts pushing these?" I'd give China 45 days before they begin the process.
     
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    A game changer would be if theses tips were like ram chips ...you get to change the chip but keep the mod a..would really be epic
     
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    Agreed. Every time read about someone asking about insanely low resistance on a high wattage device, I wonder the same things as I do when I see people running dangerously low resistance on a setup that can't handle it -- "Everyone is talking about ohm's law, but does anyone actually understand what it means?"
     
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    I just hope it keeps the same design as the dna30, we would have so many options to mod with from the get go.
     
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    I'd be nice if this board and chipset was in the new Provari 3.
     
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    Sounds sweet. I've never built anything below .5, really isn't enjoyable for me but that doesn't mean I won't buy one lol. I like to keep my money in the US whenever possible so I'll gladly pass on the China chips.
     
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    I might rechip my Greenleaf 30 watt with it....
     
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    .06 ohms at 24 watts is only 1.2 volts. It must step down voltage. But still pushing 20 amps.
     
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    I'm curious about the temp, are they calculating it or is it a sensor read, if it's a sensor, where is it and what is it actually reading.

    Sent from my SM-P600 using Tapatalk
     
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    Unless its a hybrid its got to be calculating.
     
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    I feel like I am beating a dead horse with the ignorance shown in the attached post but here it goes. There is not 1 mod out there made in America that is making 300% profit. If you do not know what it costs to make a mod in America, you should probably keep your mouth shut. Buy a few $60,000+ machines, grab a few good machinists at a minimum of $16 per hour. Hire an engineer to design and layout your new mod at $25 per hour minimum and then come back and tell us what you are going to sell your mod for..................I work in the industry and I know the costs. Nobody is trying to rip you off in America, but we cannot pay our employees $5 per day like they can in China.

    By the way - After your 4th or 5th $100 China mod dies and your friend with the $300 DNA mod is still using his, you may reconsider what value really is.

    Sorry for the rant everyone, but I have built mods. I buy mostly clones, so I am all for cheaper alternatives. Just quit making it sound like the American companies are trying to rip you off. If you do not want to pay the high price for Authentic mods..........Then DON'T. But quit making it sound like the ones designing the best mods on the market are evil. If they were not around your China would not have anything to clone.

    CV :)

    P.S. I for one look forward to Evolv's newest board, I am sure it will be EPIC!
     
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    Disclaimer: your esophagus' lining and lung's motile cilia may be destroyed, but the chip will not fail you. o_O
     
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    considering the device has a temperature readout i would image the new movement to be F rather than watts and volts. after all if Vg goes to acrolein at 698F or 370C then you could set a safe F below that and know your safe.
     
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    Ok... First, I am an American and proud to be an American, But even I must admit that not all things made in America are best. China has several factors over America.. one, is cheap labor. You were right about that when you said cheap labor. But that's not the only thing they have.. the other thing is ingenuity when it comes to manufacturing. They know the logistics of that and know where to cut the budget down besides just the labor. You mentioned a few $60,000 machines and a few machinists... when a CnC mill is about $8000 and uses software and motors instead of machinists. Sounds cold, sounds very industrial, but that's what it takes. Yes, if you hire an engineer at $25/hr and some machinists at $16/hr and buy $200,000 worth of machines, yes, the mods will be expensive.

    Truth be told, China has the industrial support to make cheap mods. I do not see the need to support an industry that isn't very efficient. If it were a piece of art, yes. If it was TRUELY innovative, then maybe, but there has been nothing truely innovative in the Ecig market since they came out.. just slight improvements over a model that was released 3 months previous. From 808 batteries, to the latest 180w VW mod, they both use lithium batteries driving a heating element around a wick to vaporize eliquid.
     
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    No matter how many coils I build, I am faced with the reality that it is a very inexact science. I look to temperature first and try to design backwards from there to get the most use out of the most mods. I like to keep my range for heat flux, as seen in the coil wrapping page on Steamengine.org, at about 160 for most things. It just tastes nice. Much less is oily tasting, for most of my high VG juices, and much more starts burning them. Variable wattage lets you compensate for the small differences in resistance and coil characteristics. I see this innovation as a possible useful benchmark to help people stay in the "nice zone". What use it might be to people who have other motives, I don't much care. Not worth arguing about...It's vapor...It'll be gone in a few seconds.
     
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    Couldn't agree more Chinavapor. I build mods and I make about 16 bucks an hour after all is said and done. Luckily, I have a day job or my family wouldn't have shit. As for the new Evolv chip, more power to them, and us(haha). I buy clones sometimes, but it is rather sickening how some Chinese companies just rape American and European ingenuity. There are a lot of great Chinese brands that make great products,e.g., Innokin, Aspire, JoyeTech.........., These companies I respect, but the rest can go fuck themselves. EHpro is headed in the right direction, creating their own products. I know a lot of people cannot afford authentic American pieces. Hell, I spend a lot of money with Infinite and HCigar, it gives people that can't or simply don't want to pay 100 plus for a mod or RDA the option to own a safe, nice piece of vaping equipment. I know I'm a hypocrite, but who isn't sometimes. I have noticed a nice trend in American Modders, they are actually beginning to see the light, and are now producing quality mods in the 89-100 range. I think this trend will only begin to become more popular. Vaping equipment would be as cheap as Chinese clones if the FDA would just state what they already know, the fact that vaping is way safer than smoking. With FDA backing we would have assembly lines pushing out great mods and RDA, RTAS. Until then, expect high prices for American vaping gear.
     
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    Don't think I've ever quite seen this sentiment expressed like this. Nice. What a way to go to bed. I can dream, can't I? When reality is a nightmare, or turning into one, we must dream -- that may be all we have.
     
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    What are the specs on this? am missing something?
     
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    20A , wow!
     
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    I'm really digging the ability to monitor vape temp.
    That's going to make it really handy to zero in on my comfort zone on my adv rig.
     
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    Dont give me that bs nonsense. I'm American and I support American products. BUT I only have 1 authentic mech mod(a 24k v3 flip) I know I overpayed but at the time it was innovative and I liked it.

    I don't know about tube mods but you can mass produce boxs in America for a very low price. And if you're using a machinist to mass produce a box you're fucking retarded. No wonder you "used" to make mods.

    How much profit do you think hana modz makes? Vapor shark? They dont use expensive raw materials. It's fucking aluminum and plastic and maybe some copper and brass. And they buy them in fucking huge quantities.

    You dont need a fucking engineer for a box mod. If you do I'm sorry but you're in the wrong field or you're missing half a brain cell. Im a 23yr old economics major who has never touched any kind of electrical object and I made my first box mod last week. I did help my dad with his construction company back in high school but that barely helps.

    Also MadeInChina does not mean bad quality. Look at infinite, hcigar, joyetech, sigelei, p4u etc. I hear about peoples hana modz breaking after weeks uses. I just ordered a sigelei 100w box and if it lasts longer than my authentic hana modz im going to come back to this thread and tell you to go suck it retard.
     
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    All I have to say about american made mods are in fact costing to much then they put a limit on how many they make to keep there price high ( this run only a 1,000 made "JD TECH" ) so when someone telling me they make them and buy clones I don't believe them at all, the chinaness will sell a ton of product to make a profit rather then limit quantities for extremely high prices as a american companys do, do I like the idea of clones no, I know and think american company's will sell for the highest price yes they think money talks bullshit walks this is why we have modders out there making mods if you find the rite one you can get quality good priced mods
     
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    It's done via the resistance of the coil
     
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    127C? Correct?
     
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    From what I have read its more like 280C or 653F.

    Wikipedia lists 127F as the boiling point for acrolein.
     
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    "Dont give me that bs nonsense. I'm American and I support American products. BUT I only have 1 authentic mech mod(a 24k v3 flip) I know I overpayed but at the time it was innovative and I liked it.

    I don't know about tube mods but you can mass produce boxs in America for a very low price. And if you're using a machinist to mass produce a box you're fucking retarded. No wonder you "used" to make mods.

    How much profit do you think hana modz makes? Vapor shark? They dont use expensive raw materials. It's fucking aluminum and plastic and maybe some copper and brass. And they buy them in fucking huge quantities.

    You dont need a fucking engineer for a box mod. If you do I'm sorry but you're in the wrong field or you're missing half a brain cell. Im a 23yr old economics major who has never touched any kind of electrical object and I made my first box mod last week. I did help my dad with his construction company back in high school but that barely helps.

    Also MadeInChina does not mean bad quality. Look at infinite, hcigar, joyetech, sigelei, p4u etc. I hear about peoples hana modz breaking after weeks uses. I just ordered a sigelei 100w box and if it lasts longer than my authentic hana modz im going to come back to this thread and tell you to go suck it retard."


    First of all, unless you work in the machinist industry you are talking out of your ass. When you can afford millions of dollars to mass produce a mod in quantities that would allow a lower end price, let me know Fuck face. Good luck with the FDA.

    Chainvapor :)
     
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    I remember hearing something about evolve actually making a new technology and patenting it for this chip. Wonder how that is going to affect cloning it.
     
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    r2beat and zzep69, are you both mentally challenged? zzep69, JD Tech is a Filipino product, as are many of the most expensive mods. Just because neither of you can afford and/or do not have the technical know how to make a quality mod, or an intelligent argument, e.g., " I just ordered a sigelei 100w box and if it lasts longer than my authentic hana modz im going to come back to this thread and tell you to go suck it retard." Please leave the discussions to the adults. Thanks!
     
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    Any accuracy or intelligence that a post may have is lost when you can't get your point across without calling someone a "retard".....Karma is a bitch!
     
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    Ask Apple how the Iphone clone market is doing...
     
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    Lol. Good point. Can't wait to see what this beast is going to look like.
     
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    Apple doesn't worry about "clones," they got to worry about droids, as in Androids! :D
     
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    My friend was telling me about "sub vaping" is that what this is? I took a hit of his vape "thing" (it was
    HUGE, not a pen like mine) and it like to have choked me. The flavor was pretty nice though.
     
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    from further study the point is 698F or 370C see post 26
     
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    Yep that is the only way they can do it... which is interesting I still want to see the spec sheet I have not found one on the INTERNET at all and no one else has.. And I have seen across the Internet them making fun of this thread because there is no spec sheet... Just passing on what I have seen
     
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    @lordmage I believe you will, no must, restate the fact at hand for the two fools on this thread! Sorry, I couldn't resist, as my wife would say, " You truly are a motherfucker!" Muhahahahahahaha

    Ok, now I'm pissed. Just because Joe has deep, insider information, those fucks at ECF need to poke fun. What fools, fools I say!
     
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    Wait, since I don't understand what you are talking about, was I one of the fools?
     

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