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    Do we have any folks on the forum into any of these.if so lets swap information.
     
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    I've tried to juice fast for 10 days twice - the first time, last summer, I made it four days. Last month, I made it five days.

    Each time I had a specific reason for starting, and a specific reason for calling it off - I feel I benefited greatly by both attempts though

    I was put on strict dietary restrictions by my doctor early last year, and later adopted the Paleo diet - which I hate calling it that because the word diet implies a way of eating to lose weight, not adopting a whole new eating philosophy

    Have been contemplating experimenting with a keto-paleo regimen though
     
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    I've been doing a 18-6 intermitent fasting recently...and I did a two day fast...I have to say the two day fast was great...it really changed my head alot.....I really quite enjoy fasting...I think it has a ton of health benifiets....what is the big differnce between Paleo and keto...and what are the most important things you get out of fasting
     
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    Did you do a water fast?

    I did juice because I'm not good at suffering that is optional, lol - but really, thought my body needed to detoxify but also needed to replenish a lot of micronutrients

    I didn't get the mental clarity until I ended the fast the first time

    Also, I was going to ask you; I read the other day that you take Chlorella - any reason you chose that over spirulina?

    The second time I did it was because I'd cheated food-wise after a two week trip around the holidays; while I had not totally abandoned Paleo eating principals, I didn't follow them to a T either - and boy did I pay for that; additionally, I started craving crappy junk and sweets - the kind of shit Mr Juicy still brings home. The second juice fast nipped that in the bud but quick. However, on the fifth day I started feeling ill, and I think I have the flu, but its more like a bad cold - I haven't been nearly as sick as those around me. The cravings for junk are gone after that though.

    Paleo and keto pair up well together

    True Paleo stresses organic and non-gmo including meats, fruits and vegetables and the total elimination of all dairy (except eggs), potatoes, all grains, cereals and legumes and all overly processed foods - especially processed sugar and fake oils; and potato and anything GMO

    Basically, you can eat as much seeds, meat, fruit and vegetables (except potatoes) as you want, especially home-fermented foods, like pickled veggies

    From my research into Keto - fruits are limited, as are vegetables that are not negative carbs, also dairy is permitted

    I have never been able to tolerate milk of any kind - it almost killed me as a baby
     
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    I'm into fasting, eating only organic vegetables fruit and grains, seldom do I ever eat meat of any kind. Been doing this for about two years now....never felt better in my life.

    I (had) diabetes, pancreatitus, was slightly overweight. Now I'm a normal weight, no longer take insulin, nor do I have any problems with the pancreas.

    Nature has all the ingredients to live a long healthy life, including natural cures for disease, if you should be so unlucky to contract a disease or virus. Personally, I haven't had as much as a sniffle in two years.
     
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    I'm a passionate cook and foodie, and have always tried to eat organic....but my view of food as medicine has gone up another couple of notches.....any advice on how to tackle a fast..how to deal with the hunger and cravings....it is hard for me at this stage to envision doing a 3 day fast without being free of work or any responsibilties during the fasting time....I guess that is why traditionally fasting was done away from society, or during times that were set aside in society for introspection.
     
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    I just read that Chlorella just tasted better than spirulina and I have to agree with that...I take it to detox heavy metals....I'll probablly take it for the rest of my life.I did a water fast..and when I do an intermitent fast I water fast.after eliminating any sugar or high carbs like grains or potatoes ,or even fruit for a couple of weeks I have no cravings for sugar...there is a phenomena called "keto flu" you may want to google about.I think it has to do with effects of detoxing..I'm gonna slowly work my way up to say a 3 day fast...then slowly up to 5 day fast....I think as smokers we have stored up alot of toxins in our body it may take longer for us to detox than most people.
     
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    still don't have a clear idea what smoking/vaping does to insulin levels during a fast.
     
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    I tried all that stuff for years and could never get rid of the carb cravings until I switched to Zero-Carb/Carnivore on 24Dec2017. Once I cut out all carbs/plants and artificial sweeteners I have had 0 cheats, even if I drink or 'inhale' something that might otherwise increase my appetite for a snack. If I get hungry I eat some leftover meat, bacon or hard boiled eggs. I haven't lost any weight, don't really need to, but my belly is smaller than it has ever been and I continue to get leaner each and every day.

    Nothing from what I have seen from people that vape and test their glucose/insulin regularly reporting. It has no affect on my cravings personally, even vaping all sorts of bakery/sweet recipes.
     
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    veggies and slow carbs don't seem to bother me...it's sugars or high carbs that seem to affect me the most.....actually I tray and make it a point to get alot of veggies in...mostly green ones...kale spinach brussel sprouts.ect.
     
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    I thought I was fine with those also, and may have been, but I know for sure now that the stevia in my coffee, zevia soda, keto low carb breads/recipes I made with stevia, etc, were fueling my cravings for all the hi/refined carb junk food/snacks that I could never force myself to leave alone. i have never felt better since cutting out all carbs and fiber. you don't really know if they do or don't affect you until you cut out all possible sources of inflammation for 30 days then try and reintroduce them one at a time.
     
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    For the most part, I try to avoid most processed foods.

    I normally start my day with a 16oz glass of vegetable juice with protein powder mixed in and some seasonings to make it taste like an ice-cold Bloody Mary (without the Vodka of course). And yes, I realize that the Veggie Juice and the Protein Powder are processed foods. But Lord does it fill my belly and it gives me quite the "Food Rush" shortly after it starts to be digested. Often I will have another glass at lunch.

    I don't eat much bread but when I do, it is fresh baked whole wheat or multi-grain. I will have pasta every week or two using homemade sauces. I also enjoy Stir Fry with Fresh Beef or Chicken, again with Homemade Sauces served over non processed brown rice..

    And I make a lot of Soups and Stews, again with fresh veggies.

    I serve my Ice Tea with Lemon and one pack of Stevia.

    My big issue is my coffee. I brew it super strong and then add flavored cream to it. But I don't drink it every day.

    I also drink about 6-8 16oz glasses of Ice Water per day.

    And since I have started having two glasses of red (gotta be red wine) per night, my Cholesterol numbers (checked every three months) are coming back near textbook perfect.
     
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    yeah never cared much for stevia just as soon go without sugar altogther....I can have pretty big sweet cravings for a week then just stay of carbs and sugar and they all just go away...the only thing that peaks my interest is homemade apple pie,but I haven't given in.they say that some people are even sensitive to the sugar in milk and cheeses.
     
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    Breakfast:
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    Lunch and Dinner:
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    where's the veggies.
     
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    zero-carb carnivore since xmas. fiber/carbs/plants are not necessary for good health
     
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    Unless that is grass-fed organic meat, you are not doing yourself any favors
     
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    go for it...but I have a hard time imagining our ancestors evolved without with plant foods in their diets.....I know the Innuit survive on a meat/fish diet but their bodies have evolved a larger liver than the rest of humans...
     
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    They also eat the stomach contents of their pray, which often does contain plant matter, especially caribou

    Also, the game is not full of antibiotics, grains and added hormones
     
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    I"m on a keto type diet and it's working. 7lbs in two weeks. Fasting a few meals here and there. I really don't feel like eating until noon. I'm sticking to 20-30 carbs. I was on keto before I had the flu (I think it was the nasty flu) for two weeks. Total loss: 17lbs
     
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    there is a phenomena called keto flu..I'm not saying that is what you had ,but you may google it and read up on it. Congrats on the 17 pounds.....do you also notice if you are feeling as a whole any better or worse on Keto.....I've noticed since I've avoided sugar and grains, that if I eat sugar it really makes me feel bad.
     
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    I’ve been doing Keto for about a year now.

    I do 24 to 36 hour fasts three times a week.

    My most successful Fast was 2 months ago, I went 6 days with only water, salt and vitamins. Fasting has been the most successful thing I’ve ever done to lose weight. Be careful who you share fasting with though, There are many who will tell you it’s unhealthy. As if my alternative lifestyle of McDonald’s and eating from sunrise to sunset was a healthier choice.

    If you want to research fasting further I recommend Dr Jason Fung.
     
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    I did have keto flu before. It was due to not eating enough carbs. I need at least 20 to feel good. Oh, I feel great on keto. I have more weight to lose since I have been on prednisone for almost 2 years. My dose is 5mg (was on higher doses) so it's a harder path to lose weight but I'm determined.
    I stick with basic meat and above ground vegies. I make it simple. Some days I do eat pork rinds. I can't get into the fat bombs and can't afford avocados at the moment.
     
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    interesting...
     
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    What I'm finding interesting this time around is my appetite has diminished. I use to wake up hungry but now I can't eat breakfast and sometimes I'm skipping lunch because I don't feel like eating.
     
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    I've only been playing around with fasting,and Intermitent fasting and keto for a couple of months,but my sugar cravings have gone rock bottom and on the occasions I've eaten sugar after what most people would consider small amounts, it gives me stomach pains,and I feel awfull ......I have no desire to repeat the experince any time soon....as for carbs...I've lost my fascination with them.
     
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    So I had planned to start my third attempt at a 10-day juice fast today - but have hit a snag of sort

    I got brief periods of dizziness during my last attempt, but I thought it was because I was fighting off getting the flu everyone else around me got, so I quit five days into it

    Later experienced a few episodes of true vertigo, and today flunked the Dix–Hallpike test today at Drs office. Semont maneuver made it worse

    This kind of shit runs in my family but this is the first I've ever experienced it

    Am thinking of trudging ahead anyway
     
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    My mother had the same thing awhile ago...I forget what she did to rid herself of this...but I'll ask her tomorrow.
     
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    She wrote me out two scripts which I told her I would not take period :blech:

    I'm making an appointment with my physiologist, hopefully next week - he always has an answer - I wouldn't have even got to DR except I wanted to get this documented in case it turns out it's something heinous - my brother has Menieres Disease and it sucks hard core
     
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    Be careful and good luck!
     
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    Don’t know how I missed this thread ...Started Keto diet with a daily 16/8 IF just before Christmas as I thought if I started before the holidays I’d be less tempted to cheat. Lost a good amount of weight through early Feb when I broke down and had carbs. Starting again Monday. Hardest thing was switching to black coffee from using creamer and sugar for years. I think I’ve had sugar twice since December which I’m pretty proud of. I was in Ketosis for over a month solid which was hard to maintain.


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    I hear you man...one of the first things I eat when I break my fast is coffee with cream and butter...black coffee in the morning has been a hard pill to swallow.
     
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    Yeah I tried the butter or butter and coconut oil thing and as I’m sure you know it’s not the same lol. When I started that was how I broke my fast, too. Sugar wasn’t as hard to kick as I thought it would be with the exception of having it in coffee. eliminating processed foods wasn’t either other than the fact they’re so much cheaper albeit terribly unhealthy. Oh well, fasting starts today so I’ll be ready Monday.


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    Exactly why I blew up. Had to be on prednisone for quite a while due to bad concussion from a car accident last year. I’ve had to take it in the past for back injuries but this time I was kept on it and blew up looking like I was having twins. Stick to it and you’ll get there.


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    Same here. First time I had any sugar I felt like complete crap. Keto is great but I really believe IF plays a key role if you throw it in the mix, especially with killing cravings and being able to wait longer before eating your first meal. Just takes getting used to at first.


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    Yeah I agree. I think keto is great.but I don't get too crazy about it..pretty much just avoid grains,potatoes,sugar..high carb stuff, but fasting is an extermely powerfull tool for health...I'm new, so my longest fast has only been 48 hours...IF at 16-8 or 18-6 is what I've been doing,but I would like to work up to 3 to 5 day fasts...I pretty much expect some form of fasting will be part of my health regime for life.
     
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    I was talking to my wife about fasting...a topic she has quite enough of....but she told me they interviewed women from Paris who are reportedly the most beautiful and slim women in the world despite eating rich french food...One of the women said that she avoided gaining wieght by eating to the point of being satisfied but not full....AND that once a month she made a broth of leeks and fasted one weekend a month taking just leek broth........leeks are a well known prebiotic.
     
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    Yes - at this point in the game, I don't think anyone can be truly healthy unless they also have healthy gut bacteria
     
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    Another reason I believe fasting is good for you. Resetting hormones and giving your digestive system and gut a break and refresh. Agree with you 100%


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    yeah this is my next avenue of investigation...the relationship between unhealthy gut bacteria and mental disorders/stress/anxiety/depression...how to eliminate bad bacteria ..how to cultivate healthy bacteria colonies,..are our appetites ours or are our apepetites for the things that are bad for us the appetites of unhealthy bacterias and fungi and parasites in our body. also using bone broth to repair the gut lining.
     
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    I think there is a strong relationship from what I’ve read when I looked into it last year. Be careful with bone broth - I thought I got a good 100% natural /organic one last year but it had sugar, and since I forgot my reading glasses couldn’t read the ingredients until I got home.something else that’s supposed to be good for naturally raising good bacteria is sauerkraut due to the fermentation. I’m glad you guys mentioned leeks because I love leek soup. I’ll have to get some.


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    I make my own stocks and broths....
     
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    I go on a 10-day water fast once a year, if that counts.
     
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    It's so simple and inexpensive to make your own and you know what you are getting
     
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    beef bones aren't cheap especially the grass fed variety
     
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    No, they aren't and I never buy them.

    I use the leftover bones from other cuts we already ate - they still retain the properties we are after. Chicken carcasses are also good.
     
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    Wow no way I could go that long. Kudos.


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    It's not very hard :) The hardest day is the 4th day. After that you feel great. Perhaps a bit too great actually: when I do my yearly fast, I sort of understand what people with anorexia find so appealing in starving themselves: you feel so good you just don't want to stop.
     
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    I know its been awhile since anyone posted here, but I started doing intermittent water fasts, 20 - 22 hours

    Started my first one kinda by accident, and have since done it intensionally two or three times a week - it did kickstart my metabolism and I've started losing weight again finally :banana:
     
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    actually my wife has been giving me grief for losing too much wieght....so I do IF like every other week...
     

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