FDA Seeks Ability to Seize Unwarned Products During Inspections

[5150sick]

https://vapenews.com/vape-news/fda-seeks-ability-seize-unwarned-products-inspections/


ASSHOLE VENDORS and MANUFACTURERS,

Please STOP making / selling / stocking eliquid that looks like food or candy.
Please STOP making /selling / stocking eliquid that uses ANY type of infringement on ANY other product.
We just don't want to die from smoking, please stop being greedy.

Signed,
Vapers

 

[JuicyLucy]

https://vapenews.com/vape-news/fda-seeks-ability-seize-unwarned-products-inspections/


ASSHOLE VENDORS,

Please STOP selling / stocking eliquid that looks like food or candy.
Please STOP selling / stocking eliquid that uses ANY type of infringement on ANY other product.
We just don't want to die from smoking please stop being greedy.

Signed,
Vapers

Voluntary compliance would be so welcome

The problem with the wording as I see it, is that it allows the FDA to decide what looks enticing to a kid - that could mean anything

When I was five I fed my little brother Windex by squirting it into a spoon - kids can be enticed to ingest just about anything

And the FDA continues to advocate for genetically modified foods and "medicines" that are proven to be lethal

 

[hellcatrydr]

+1 Sick

 

[5150sick]

I had to add manufacturers because if it weren't for them the vendors wouldn't be able to stock this bullshit.

 

[PoppaVic]

And, they gain more Power - and permission.

The wheel turns.

 

[Rossum]

So basically they're going to give themselves the power to confiscate anything they want without any prior warning or justification...

The more I see of government, the better anarchy looks.

 

[The Cromwell]

So basically they're going to give themselves the power to confiscate anything they want without any prior warning or justification...

The more I see of government, the better anarchy looks.

Lots of prior warning. Virtually all ejuice on the market is in violation of the Deeming regs and technically cannot be sold.
So is virtually all the hardware.

The enforcement phase is just beginning.

And except for the assholes in the industry it really sucks.

 

[The Cromwell]

Unless something changed that I missed the following is still in effect.
All vape products introduced to the US market after Feb 2007 and prior to Aug 2016 must pass PMTA applications process to continue to be sold after...
Well That date was extended.
But the date of NO new products to be sold in the US market after Aug 2016 Without PRIOR PMTA approval has not changed as far as I know.

The final compliance date for registering and the drop dead date has extended for the vape stuff on the market prior to Aug 2016 but otherwise....

And I have heard of not one vape product approved by the PMTA process.
Very few have even applied as far as I know.

 

[inspects]

Unless something changed that I missed the following is still in effect.
All vape products introduced to the US market after Feb 2007 and prior to Aug 2016 must pass PMTA applications process to continue to be sold after...
Well That date was extended.
But the date of NO new products to be sold in the US market after Aug 2016 Without PRIOR PMTA approval has not changed as far as I know.

The final compliance date for registering and the drop dead date has extended for the vape stuff on the market prior to Aug 2016 but otherwise....

And I have heard of not one vape product approved by the PMTA process.
Very few have even applied as far as I know.

Think they postponed that to 2020, but I could be wrong.

Been stockpiling for years, it really doesn't matter..................

 

[The Cromwell]

Think they postponed that to 2020, but I could be wrong.

Been stockpiling for years, it really doesn't matter..................

The ultimate drop dead date I think yes. And when full enforcement is scheduled to begin I think.

So 99% of vaping in the USA is scheduled to end in 2020....

Same here except for some consumables which will not go away I am set for the rest of my life.
But I do feel for others that will not have the opportunity to use vaping to get off of smokes.
I feel little sympathy for those that just ignore the regs and act like they will never happen though....
Of course it is possible that they will go away, and then I might win the lottery too

 

[inspects]

The ultimate drop dead date I think yes. And when full enforcement is scheduled to begin I think.

So 99% of vaping in the USA is scheduled to end in 2020....

Same here except for some consumables which will not go away I am set for the rest of my life.
But I do feel for others that will not have the opportunity to use vaping to get off of smokes.
I feel little sympathy for those that just ignore the regs and act like they will never happen though....
Of course it is possible that they will go away, and then I might win the lottery too

Oh, I agree....plan on not buying a damn thing unless big-tob or big-pharm made it.

 

[The Cromwell]

Oh, I agree....plan on not buying a damn thing unless big-tob or big-pharm made it.

Ohh there will be a black market in vape stuff and those old tube mechs might finally be worth some money

 

[The Cromwell]

And it is now 1/4 of the way thru 2018 folks....

 

[inspects]

Ohh there will be a black market in vape stuff and those old tube mechs might finally be worth some money

We may have some winners, if it comes down to that.

 

[inspects]

And it is now 1/4 of the way thru 2018 folks....

The older I get, the faster time flies

 

[The Cromwell]

The older I get, the faster time flies

Time seems so variable for a fixed thing.

 

[Rossum]

Lots of prior warning. Virtually all ejuice on the market is in violation of the Deeming regs and technically cannot be sold.

How is that? If a recipe was available prior to 2016-08-08 and was registered with the FDA by 2017-10-12, it's still legal to sell.

 

[Rossum]

Think they postponed that to 2020, but I could be wrong.

They extended the PMTA deadline by four years, so from 2018 to 2022.

 

[The Cromwell]

How is that? If a recipe was available prior to 2016-08-08 and was registered with the FDA by 2017-10-12, it's still legal to sell.

And that would be how many % of the current ejuice on the market?
10% maybe?
Entire juice lines have come out since 8-8-2016.

As I understand it only the enforcement date was extended beyond 2018.
Still not legal per FDA regs.
of course I could be mistaken. It is all somewhat confusing.

 

[Rossum]

And that would be how many % of the current ejuice on the market?
10% maybe?

The shops in my neck of the woods are selling (mostly) the same flavors they had 3+ years ago when I was buying juice from them.

Entire juice lines have come out since 8-8-2016.

Those might have a problem.

 

[JuicyLucy]

And that would be how many % of the current ejuice on the market?
10% maybe?
Entire juice lines have come out since 8-8-2016.

As I understand it only the enforcement date was extended beyond 2018.
Still not legal per FDA regs.
of course I could be mistaken. It is all somewhat confusing.

I do know a large number of juice sellers - even some of the very small home lab types - made a pretty big deal out of letting everyone know they'd made the registration date

 

[AndriaD]

So basically they're going to give themselves the power to confiscate anything they want without any prior warning or justification...

The more I see of government, the better anarchy looks.

Amen, and pass the ammo.

Andria

 

[The Cromwell]

I do know a large number of juice sellers - even some of the very small home lab types - made a pretty big deal out of letting everyone know they'd made the registration date

Yep with the products they had at that date.
also in 2022 the only date that will really matter is Feb 15, 2007.
Was your vaping product sold in the USA before that date?
Does it have FFDA approval?
If not no sale.

 

[Rossum]

also in 2022 the only date that will really matter is Feb 15, 2007.

You say this with such conviction. Much can change during a period of four years.

 

[The Cromwell]

You say this with such conviction. Much can change during a period of four years.

Anything can happen. But nothing has happened in the past 4 years to mitigate the effects except for a delay in implementation because the scope was beyond completing in the short time frame first given.
the only thing that I expect to happen is to mitigate the effects on expensive cigars and such which was the real push behind most of the proposed changes so far.

 

[bobnat]

You say this with such conviction. Much can change during a period of four years.

No doubt. However, the fact that they extended the date indicates they can change it at will. They could decide that they want to move it up to next year. They have no responsibility to anyone, they do as they please, just like the rest of the government in DC.