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I guess in that statement it would be dependent on what was leaked, and the nature of it.

If a leak is made because someone is committing crimes, I don't see it as so bad. Assuming that the leak is not going to cause someone to lose there life. If the leak will result in someone's death it's another matter.

Think about it though, If all the defense agencies are committing crimes, you get to a point where there is no one to report a crime too. At that point, I would be confused. Do I let a crime continue, or do I report to the people the defense departments ultimately answer to. The general public. The government answers to us..... Not the other way around. Which is why the Constitution is a document to limit the governments power, not grant them power.

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Fuck you bird you made me join a pedo club you creep !


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I think if you take a oath or make a promise you should keep it . I don't like rats even if it's for "the greater good " .


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I fully agree.
Here is the CIA oath.

umm...

Hand on bible here please.

The CIA oath reads: “I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.” Schooled CIA employees know that the Constitution also defines the role of federal employees: "To establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty."
 

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I see your point in something like that . If your going in full well knowing your contracting for the CIA and will be knowingly dealing in fuckery of all sorts . And you take a oath to keep secret you do . Same for the military. Your not the judge of what's right or wrong you don't know the whole picture . Just like joining the mob you know what they do keep your mouth shut . It's honor


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Case by case.

If you break the law doing your job, it's still illegal whether you were told to or not. That's also true of the military. The law is to obey a lawful order, not all orders. If you obey an unlawful order, you will be prosecuted yourself. It is incumbent on an individual to know right from wrong, legal or illegal and act accordingly.

We are not in Hitler's Germany where blind allegiance is the norm. And those fucks were charged and tried for following orders and keeping secrets, as they should be.

Leaking nuke codes or some shit is not the same as leaking illegal government activity, or even legal but immoral government activity.
 

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Case by case.

If you break the law doing your job, it's still illegal whether you were told to or not. That's also true of the military. The law is to obey a lawful order, not all orders. If you obey an unlawful order, you will be prosecuted yourself. It is incumbent on an individual to know right from wrong, legal or illegal and act accordingly.

We are not in Hitler's Germany where blind allegiance is the norm. And those fucks were charged and tried for following orders and keeping secrets, as they should be.

Leaking nuke codes or some shit is not the same as leaking illegal government activity, or even legal but immoral government activity.

But what if I'm the guy who thinks leaking the nuke codes will help the world ?
Throwing humans in ovens is different then leaking secrets .
You know what your getting into if you go into the service of the CIA . If you don't like it get out but don't tell the secrets !
It's different then any other business in the world . It's not corporate where whistleblowers can do good ! That's why I compare it to joining a criminal organization you fucking know bad shit will go down ! You don't talk about it !


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Fuck you bird you made me join a pedo club you creep !


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Damn, why the hell would you do that?

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I don't think you you really believe that. There are literally thousands of examples I could use but here is one.

Freebird asks you to join their club but you must sign a paper where you promise to never tell anyone what people in the club do. You agree and take an oath or a promise and are now part of the club. You find out after joining the freebird club that it is a pedophile club and you are given videos of the club members engaged in kiddie porn.

Do you not tell anyone? Do you stick to your Oath?

There is a difference between a rat and a whistleblower. A moral person does not abide by an immoral Oath.

You set me up bird !


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You set me up bird !


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Negative, cap!
It was Girls Gone Wild. They were sorority girls.

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Ha ha I like how ever story has you as fat or stupid or a pedo !


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I know right?
Like it matters What a Couple of old, washed up, lonely trolls have to say to make themselves feel better.
It's pretty apparent its the only way he can make himself feel like a man.




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But what if I'm the guy who thinks leaking the nuke codes will help the world ?
Throwing humans in ovens is different then leaking secrets .
You know what your getting into if you go into the service of the CIA . If you don't like it get out but don't tell the secrets !
It's different then any other business in the world . It's not corporate where whistleblowers can do good ! That's why I compare it to joining a criminal organization you fucking know bad shit will go down ! You don't talk about it !


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Every government official/employee takes the oath to defend and uphold the constitution. It doesn't matter if someone is doing something to "protect" people. The constitution limits the power of government.
 

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Seriously? Of all the examples in the world someone could have chosen and Time has decided to go with "kiddie porn and pedo". That's just a sad human being, in my personal opinion. GTFU

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Fuck off. They've been going with bestiality for months and you haven't said a fucking word.

You're pretty selective about what appalls you. Snowflakes are like that.;)
 

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True.

We know Time has admitted to be a felon. Maybe he is projecting on others, what his conviction was all about. Who knows. Pretty sick thing to say, IMO.

It was just an example. But now that you all are acting like a "guest" on To Catch A Predator, I'm thinking I must be Chris Hansen.
 

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And I'm thinking you and your buddy, think pedophilia is something to joke about. I don't know what could be found funny about it, or why you would think it would make for a good "joke".
 

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None of the Trupeteers seem to be yelling for Trump to reveal his tax filings either.
Strange reactions considering past behavior with previous presidents and presidential candidates.
 

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LOL. Where you offended, Snowflake? I think that's funny.

Anyone with morals should be offended when some half wit makes jokes about harming kids. Perhaps next you would like to crack jokes about beating the elderly or random strangers raping your wife/daughter.

I can tell you one thing.... In these parts when some POS makes jokes about harming people like that, no one takes kindly to that. Those kind of people end up being run out of town or just plain disappear.
People that can find humor in child rape, are the type of people that would rape a child, given any kind of chance. Sick mother fuckers should be hanging from a short rope from a tall tree.
 

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None of the Trupeteers seem to be yelling for Trump to reveal his tax filings either.
Strange reactions considering past behavior with previous presidents and presidential candidates.

BUT TRUMP IS NOT A POLITICIAN


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Terminate the EPA?

That is very moronic.
Is it? Doesn't each of the 50 states have its own "Department of Environmental Protection" at this point? Why do we need that kind of redundancy? Let each state decide what policies are appropriate for it and get rid of the Federal agency that thinks a puddle in my yard is a "wetland" that they have jurisdiction over.
 

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Is it? Doesn't each of the 50 states have its own "Department of Environmental Protection" at this point? Why do we need that kind of redundancy? Let each state decide what policies are appropriate for it and get rid of the Federal agency that thinks a puddle in my yard is a "wetland" that they have jurisdiction over.

You forget that we don't have 50 isolated islands thousands of miles apart that have zero impact on each other. So when stuff your State is doing starts crapping downstream, downhill, downwind into my State, hopping up and down and shouting States rights! States rights! is neither practical, healthy or effective in dealing with environmental issues that don't respect a dotted line on a map.
 

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You forget that we don't have 50 isolated islands thousands of miles apart that have zero impact on each other. So when stuff your State is doing starts crapping downstream, downhill, downwind into my State, hopping up and down and shouting States rights! States rights! is neither practical, healthy or effective in dealing with environmental issues that don't respect a dotted line on a map.
The very reason the EPA was created for.
When Haliburton/BP's Deepwater Horizon spilled what would turn out to be the greatest environmental disaster in America's history several executive argued that it should be governed out of Texas where Halliburton was based, due to that's State more lenient environmental laws. I'm pretty sure the people along the coast of Louisiana and Alabama were grateful that the EPA stepped in and told Halliburton to pound sand.

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HR 785!!
They want the states worry about people's issues... then don't be union busting... fucking hypocrites!

When it comes to helping Americans LET THE STATES RUN IT....
When it comes to COMPANIES!
this what you all should do or have!!
GREEDY MOTHERFUCKERS
I FUCKING HATE POLITICIANS MEN...
fuck em all looters!


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Anyone with morals should be offended when some half wit makes jokes about harming kids. Perhaps next you would like to crack jokes about beating the elderly or random strangers raping your wife/daughter.

I can tell you one thing.... In these parts when some POS makes jokes about harming people like that, no one takes kindly to that. Those kind of people end up being run out of town or just plain disappear.
People that can find humor in child rape, are the type of people that would rape a child, given any kind of chance. Sick mother fuckers should be hanging from a short rope from a tall tree.

LOL. I don't care if you're offended. Your little temper tantrum doesn't effect me at all other than I get a good chuckle out of it.

Now, carry on throwing your fit little boy. See how far it gets you.
 

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LOL. I don't care if you're offended. Your little temper tantrum doesn't effect me at all other than I get a good chuckle out of it.

Now, carry on throwing your fit little boy. See how far it gets you.
And I don't give a flying fuck how acceptable YOU think cracking child rape jokes are, there is no place for that shit here. Go back to NAMBLA if you want to be a nasty fuck.

If this forum finds those type of sick posts acceptable, then I want NO part of a forum like that. Otherwise, I gleefully await the day you get tossed out on your fat, pedo loving ass.
 

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And I don't give a flying fuck how acceptable YOU think cracking child rape jokes are, there is no place for that shit here. Go back to NAMBLA if you want to be a nasty fuck.

If this forum finds those type of sick posts acceptable, then I want NO part of a forum like that. Otherwise, I gleefully await the day you get tossed out on your fat, pedo loving ass.

You're breaking my heart. Really, I'm all busted up inside. :giggle:

I stick by my example.

I don't think you you really believe that. There are literally thousands of examples I could use but here is one.

Freebird asks you to join their club but you must sign a paper where you promise to never tell anyone what people in the club do. You agree and take an oath or a promise and are now part of the club. You find out after joining the freebird club that it is a pedophile club and you are given videos of the club members engaged in kiddie porn.

Do you not tell anyone? Do you stick to your Oath?

There is a difference between a rat and a whistleblower. A moral person does not abide by an immoral Oath.

The example was meant to be extreme to make the point. Fuck you if you don't like it.
 

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Time is having to curse himself out now :)

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I don't think you you really believe that. There are literally thousands of examples I could use but here is one.

Freebird asks you to join their club but you must sign a paper where you promise to never tell anyone what people in the club do. You agree and take an oath or a promise and are now part of the club. You find out after joining the freebird club that it is a pedophile club and you are given videos of the club members engaged in kiddie porn.

Do you not tell anyone? Do you stick to your Oath?

There is a difference between a rat and a whistleblower. A moral person does not abide by an immoral Oath.
The example was meant to be extreme to make the point. Fuck you if you don't like it.
 

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According to WH spokesman do not believe what Trump tweets because he does not mean what he says.
He did not really mean Wiretap.


Apparently he meant spying on them with a microwave :D
 
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Is it? Doesn't each of the 50 states have its own "Department of Environmental Protection" at this point? Why do we need that kind of redundancy? Let each state decide what policies are appropriate for it and get rid of the Federal agency that thinks a puddle in my yard is a "wetland" that they have jurisdiction over.
That would be fine if the pollution created in each state stayed in that state. Rivers and the atmosphere recognize no state boundarys.
 

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Who needs SNL poking fun at Ther Trump admin.
They are funnier than SNL.
This is getting good.
I can just imagine how the Europeans and such are laughing their asses off at us for Electing a comedy show to lead us.
 
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