If you put an 18650 battery rated at 5 amps CDR in a mod designed to use a 20A CDR battery, the mod will allow you to pull well over your 5A battery's rating if you vape at max power. The mod doesn't know your batteries rating, the instruction booklet for a mod should (but doesn't always) tell you the rating of the battery you need for max power. So its on you to use the right battery for the power you use it at.
I see your point. I've seen people do that with laptop batteries, it's just pure stupidity to be honest
Long as there is no arguments. We should all just get along
With a copper/brass/aluminum tube mech that doesn't have an insulating lining, the battery temperature sensor is the skin of your hand whilst you're holding the mod. If you go a tad above the MVA rating on it, then if you chain vape for some time, you'll soon understand this sensor is an incredibly reliable one. The safety mechanism that's attached to this sensor also is rather foolproof. That's just because you'll notice something is getting a little warm in there, and notice it long before you stand a chance of cooking the battery. Of course if you build so stupidly low that the battery overheats in a matter of only seconds, then it might still fail after all. But my point is you can vape a little, pull the battery out, feel how warm the battery gets. Above 45°C/113°F is where the battery starts to age faster than normal. So if you, like me, moderately chain vape a lot at .11 ohms on a single VTC5A battery and the battery only feels barely lukewarm, then you're not spending a great deal of extra money on having to buy new batteries... let alone are abusing the battery to irresponsibly high levels. So the real danger comes from the potential risk of short circuiting the battery, but not if you take the necessary steps to avoid that, and certainly not if you make perfectly sure that you always take the necessary steps to avoid that. And, of course, as the explanation about the MVA points out, silly accidental button presses on the mech are a major no no as well.
Lmao that last part was funnyWith a copper/brass/aluminum tube mech that doesn't have an insulating lining, the battery temperature sensor is the skin of your hand whilst you're holding the mod. If you go a tad above the MVA rating on it, then if you chain vape for some time, you'll soon understand this sensor is an incredibly reliable one. The safety mechanism that's attached to this sensor also is rather foolproof. That's just because you'll notice something is getting a little warm in there, and notice it long before you stand a chance of cooking the battery. Of course if you build so stupidly low that the battery overheats in a matter of only seconds, then it might still fail after all. But my point is you can vape a little, pull the battery out, feel how warm the battery gets. Above 45°C/113°F is where the battery starts to age faster than normal. So if you, like me, moderately chain vape a lot at .11 ohms on a single VTC5A battery and the battery only feels barely lukewarm, then you're not spending a great deal of extra money on having to buy new batteries... let alone are abusing the battery to irresponsibly high levels. So the real danger comes from the potential risk of short circuiting the battery, but not if you take the necessary steps to avoid that, and certainly not if you make perfectly sure that you always take the necessary steps to avoid that. And, of course, as the explanation about the MVA points out, silly accidental button presses on the mech are a major no no as well.
Bottom line, I get that we need to tell the newbies they should play it safe, but I also know that if my uncle had tits, he'd be my aunt.
Mooch's MVA rating is already taking those tolerances into account... the batteries normally don't start to vent if their temperature is below 110°C, whereas the MVA uses a temperature limit of only 100°C so there's your 10% safety margin. Even if you draw zero amps from a Lithium rechargeable battery, the battery can still start to vent due to manufacturing defects that went undetected─even though this happens only rarely. So even if you vape at only 5 amps on a 25 amp battery, then maybe you should think about vaping at only 2 amps instead... just because 2 amps on a 25 amp battery is "more conservative" than 5 amps on a 25 amp battery.
Yeah you can feel a mod getting warm but that’s no excuse for folks not making sure they use a battery rated for their mod and vaping power. I don’t agree on your second post part about mooch taking manufactures safety margins into account haven’t seen that but I’m gonna let it go and enjoy my weekend lolMooch's MVA rating is already taking those tolerances into account... the batteries normally don't start to vent if their temperature is below 110°C, whereas the MVA uses a temperature limit of only 100°C so there's your 10% safety margin. Even if you draw zero amps from a Lithium rechargeable battery, the battery can still start to vent due to manufacturing defects that went undetected─even though this happens only rarely. So even if you vape at only 5 amps on a 25 amp battery, then maybe you should think about vaping at only 2 amps instead... just because 2 amps on a 25 amp battery is "more conservative" than 5 amps on a 25 amp battery.
I didn't say it's an excuse. There simply is no excuse for not doing one's homework about battery safety, and, anyone who has listened to Mooch talk knows his ratings are taking pretty much everything into account, including the potential risk of a manufacturer's defect gone undetected at the manufacturing stage─albeit it is nevertheless true that a higher operating temperature does increase the risk of a battery venting... however, if you stay below 45°C/113°F battery temperature like I said, you'll be reasonably very safe (that is, if you follow all the additional safety guidelines) AND for a really very long time to come you'll get stellar performance if you buy only those batteries the performance of which is stellar as opposed to second best. So it's not just about safety, but the performance matters as well. To me, it does.
If the mod does not allow it.. you CAN NOT do it.
This is not a "high discharge" battery. Hence not suitable for vaping.
Your missing the point of over powered mods though. There are mods that can go higher wattage than what is advertised. I'm the same way a mod can be underpowered and I'm guessing you don't have equipment to test that so it can exceed that wattage and has
Normally it being overpowered shouldn't be an issue because the amp draw is still limited by the board. This limit is typically also dependent of the voltage the board receives from the batteries. That in conjunction with the typical huge voltage sag of low drain batteries is what causes the risk of a battery venting to be mitigated to some real extent. Further, while it is true that some certain regulated mods can unexpectedly (and inadvertently) jump to max power (e.g., Smok GX350), the mod would still need to start auto firing after that, and would have to do so in such a way that the puff cut-off timer also fails in addition to that. (I'm not saying that can never happen, but anyway.) So the general rule of thumb for a regulated mod is typically not based on the max power capability of the mod, but rather, it is based on the highest wattage you'll ever vape on the mod. Nobody in their right mind would put 30 amp batteries in such a big clunky mod thus sacrificing a fuck ton in runtime only because it is so much safer compared to using 25 amp batteries. I mean... do you know why it is unsafe to walk in the woods at night? It's because if a billiards table falls out of a tree you're dead too. Lithium rechargeable batteries are dangerous. It is dangerous to vape on them. Proper education based on correct information is key. But you are right, people shouldn't have to be guessing all the time. Safety mechanisms can and do fail. So why use them for an excuse to not do one's homework about battery safety and do it properly. I have said it before, and will keep saying it... those safety features are notorious for creating a false sense of security. At least I know what I'm doing when I'm vaping on a mech, and so I don't have to rely on the vagueness of some Chinese chipmaker.
I'm not reading all that but I see what you mean lol
I think the actual number of exploded batteries in regulate mods is around 1 in 10 million. I can't remember where I read that number, but given the number of forums I have been in and videos I have watched, that probably seems about right. I have only heard of 1 regulated mod venting. The cause was mostly best guess. From change in the pocket, to torn battery wraps, or failed 510 pin and short circuit protection chip failure.
Yeah and thank god someone got me off them peaky efest. When I first started using external batteries the shop I went to said they were the best. Assholes
Just depends what is under the wrap and it's not hard to rewrap a battery. It's cheap too. I used to rewrap my batteries all the time when I used my xcube ultra. That was notorious for damaging wraps!!
Usually the rewraps perform slightly worse as well as are more expensive, but certainly not always... and you also have to take the availability into account because, for example, the iJoy 5-legged 20700 battery is easy for me to get, and has been that for more than half a year already. Whereas the non-rewrap version of this same battery (Molicel 20700) is simply impossible for me to find around where I live (Belgium). The iJoy 5-legged 20700 performs exactly the same as the non-rewrap according to Mooch's tests.
I can get a Samsung 25r for £5.00 less than an Efest in my town and it is one of the best batteries I've used. Used Sony vtcs before that but now I find it hard to find authentics.
Ijoy doesn't manufacture batteries. Most battery brands are re-wraps. Most of the batteries that we use for vaping are manufactured by the few big companies that we know of LC,Samsung,etc. Re-wraps aren't inherently bad like most people say. Even when they are B or C grade batteries the performance difference is pretty negligible for most vapers. Most C grade batteries only perform 3-5% worse than their A grade counterparts.
Didn't know ijoy didn't manufacturer batteries so thanks for clearing that up.
The only batteries I use for vaping are Sony VTC5A, iJoy 5-legged 20700, and iJoy 26650.
I do agree the sonys are better for me too