is this true about ejuice?

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  1. CashNVape

    CashNVape Gold Contributor Member For 1 Year

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    I know it's the internet, but how can something like this be posted?


    The main ingredients of e-liquids include nicotine, vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, water, and flavorings. When heated, some of these compounds produce toxic substances — for instance, propylene glycol produces acrolein, formaldehyde, and benzene

    get N sub Ω low...

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    Probably...... but the real question are they in higher or lower concentrations than cigarettes or worse than the chemicals of cigarettes or even a levels that should cause concern... the list for SMOKING is much longer I believe.

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    Yet another misleading article.

    For instance, you may also want to consider that there are trace amounts (or more, in some cases) of dihydrogen monoxide (a.k.a. Hydric Acid) in vaping liquids. According to the CDC (Center for Disease Control), there were an average of 3,536 deaths PER YEAR from 2005-2014 directly related to dihydrogen monoxide inhalation. This is just in the U.S. - worldwide deaths are unknown.

    The chemical equation for dihydrogen monoxide is H2O - also known as water.
     
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    Mike Petro has a good thread (and blog) at the other place about this subject. It's worth a read.
    New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even with tootle puffers
     
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    It's true. It's what they are not saying that makes it dishonest.

    All those components are also found in,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,air.
     
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    Be careful with Garage Science because it is misleading and in no way accurate.
     
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    The key words in that are high temps, VERY HIGH..higher than anybody ever vapes,
    one you didn't mention is quantity.
    My ex was a lab tech at a cancer research institute.
    She said that the samples given to the mice or measuring instruments were MASSIVE.

    Like in cigarettes, the smoking machines would smoke the equivalent of a person smoking 2 or 3 hundred packs of smokes daily.
    In her gig gavaging lab rats she'd give them amounts equivalent to a human's consumption in several lifetimes..

    Regarding Mike's study... :facepalm:
    Did you read the post where he said his new driveway was affecting his meter readings?
     
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    I just cruise thru the thread and blogs. My take away was I'm safe enough without tc. Made me happy. I don't understand much of the science, but thought it was interesting and appreciate his effort.
     
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    From my understanding sub ohms ( the higher heat of 1.0 ohm, and below ) is what produces acrolein, formaldehyde, and benzene but at what level is it safe? No one knows now because we are the first lab rats that will tell the truth years down the road. But studies have suggested that 1.0 ohm or higher does not produce this chemical reaction.
     
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    oh my, so does that mean the few of us that subohm are idiots? I mean maybe that's a little blunt but their is a huge difference between vaping at 0.10 > 1.0ohms. now it worries me when anyone including my self is vaping at 0.10 all day, every day. putting huge amounts of those chems in our lungs isn't cool. Sometimes science has to ruin our fun.

    get N sub Ω low...

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    Idiots? no, I myself vape usually 0.4 or 0,5 ohms. There is no official fact finding just observation with suggesting. Do you feel better now then when you smoked? If yes then in my opinion vaping is less harmful.
     
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    LOL...
    ROFL

    No, we're vapers. Every day a new study comes out, paid for by multi-billion dollar industries,
    which finds some new danger to vaping or another.
    While it's smart to be educated and cautious only idiots would succumb to fear.
     
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    It stands to reason that if heat does produce those compounds, that higher heat would produce more of them than lower heat.

    I think even higher heat vaping produces significantly lower amounts than smoking though. As long as one is not dry hitting every puff, lol.

    That said and without nefarious intent, as a high ohm, low volume vaper I do feel somewhat confident that if problems do arise with vaping, it'll effect the the sub ohm, high volume vapers long before it effects me. Basically, I'm using the sub ohm crowd as pre warning. If you guys don't have problems I'm not concerned at all about my tootle puffing. :p
     
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    I vape at every increment between .1Ω and 3.2Ω but in my opinion you aren't creating bad chemicals unless you take out a coil with cotton that looks like you took a lighter to it.....................
     
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    Dihydrogen monoxide is some pretty dangerous stuff![​IMG]

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    Not if the coils are the same size..Ie same mass... then temperature per watt would be about the same 1ohm or .1....... or are the HF values on steamengine that wrong or am I miss understanding.

    Granted capacity comes into play...

    But Heat is the issue not coil ohm...

    So how does TC affect gas conversion.

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    FWIW... how many ml of juice per day?

    What wattage?
    What ohm?

    I use about 7 ml at 15watts on .3 to .9 ohms.

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    What does it say about those who believe what someone is posting as hard data from their dining room table?
     
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    5ml 9-11W 1.8OHM
     
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    30-40 ML's at 9.5W to over 100W using S316L Sub Ohm TC Coils anywhere from 360°F to 500°F.
     
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    The 9.5W is using standard wattage mode coils.
     
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    maybe my choice of words were harsh. to sum it up, I feel fucking fantastic, now than I ever did when I smoked stinkies! it's not going to change my vape life. I just think it's dumb that articles come out like this than ppl kinda agree, but yet say it's still OK to do it. kinda double standard.... loon at it from outside the box. btw I'm the 1% that truly subohms but it isn't going to change. I'll e joy my vape that much more.

    get N sub Ω low...

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    I mostly tootle puff 1.0 Ohm at 15 watts for ADV, sometimes I vape .5 ohm at up to 35 Watts.
    I'm more worried about breathing chemtrail and other pollutant laden air and drinking cruddy water.

    It used to be egg whites were bad for me..now it's the yolks.
    The way I walk is the way I walk, fuck 'em if they can't take a joke
     
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    Worry more about this when you walk down the street while vaping

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    40 - 45ml / day
    0.07Ω - 0.12Ω
    100W - 125W - or - 420° - 540°
     
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    Nah that doesn't worry me for years since being in Times Square on New Years and a Cop on a Horse decided he wanted to get past me and 100,000 other people wedged into the streets.
     
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    The formaldehyde is misleading scare tactics.
    It is already present in our bodies and is even produced BY our bodies to aid in the digestion of vegetables.
    It is used in the production of most plastics, most fabrics, and most wood laminates. These materials leach it into the air for years after production. So virtually all the wood and fabric in your house (flooring, tables, counter, furniture, etc) is putting it into the air, as is the plastic and fabric making the interior of your car.
    It is also used as a coating on pills and is an ingredient of the capsule type pills. So any time you take medicine or vitamins, be they solid pills, gell filled pills, or capsule pills, you are ingesting formaldehyde.
    Studies have shown that inhaling high concentrations of it has minimal effect on the levels present in your blood because it gets metabolized nearly immediately when coming into contact with the linings of your mouth, throat, and lungs. Our saliva is the same digestive acid as in our stomachs, just not nearly as strong. It is primarily Hydrochloric Acid and Potassium Chloride which breaks down the formaldehyde quickly.

    All cancer cases relating to formaldehyde have occurred in factories with workers that utilize large quantities of industrial strength formaldehyde on a daily basis.
     
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    One thing I keep in mind.... Everything in moderation. Sure, I'm a heavy vaper since I just quit cigarettes and am already at 6mg ejuice. However, when I finally drop the nicotine to 0, I won't be "sucking a golf ball through a garden hose" anymore, and will have 0 enticements from nicotine.

    By the way, quitting crack was easier than cigarettes for me, until vaping! (true with any drug I've tried)
    I'll surely take my chances on vaping, especially since the ingredients are clearly printed on the label. I DARE big tobacco to list theirs!

    Vape your dry herb too!

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    Sub ohm is not the thing. Most vapers do some form of subohm now.
    Sub ohm just means that the coil resistance is less than 1 ohm.
    Many people vape subohm at low wattages. All has to do with wire size in the coil, airflow atty design and the vapers desires.

    however very high wattages and high temperature vaping is another matter and will be more likely to cause bad substances to be produced than a cooler to just warm vape.
     
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    There are so many misleading articles abroad the net it's luaghable. I can honestly say I don't hack let alone hack up brown shit any more. I don't get winded like I used too, and I can taste the food I eat better. Read up and do research. There are biases on both sides. I'm sure no vape/smoking/dipping is healthier healthiest etc. It's all about harm reduction. I'm effectively reducing the harm, I'm going to get my nic. One way or the other. Rather this than that.

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    The "research" fails to fully disclose the method used to obtain the results (that were paid for). You can vaporize pretty much any liquid and obtain a harmful chemical, if you do it at a high enough temperature. The so called testing of e-juice was done in a manner that no human could reproduce and not obtain an injury while vaping. The individual and collective components were vaporized at temperatures well above 700 F (one article I read said they vaporized at 1200 F), temp control goes up to 600 (most stop around 550 F that I have seen).

    Saccharine was shown to cause cancer in lab rats 40 or so years ago, the rats were give a dose nearly equal to what a human would ingest in a years time. Pay closer attention to WHO had the research done and make a decision, money has a way of making results happen and some groups will spend whatever it takes to get the answer they are after.
     
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    Agree 100% and be very wary of garage science................
     
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    Umm.. tootle puffers don't use high temps. That's kinda the point.

    Andria
     
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    They are probably burning the chemicals instead of vaporizing, where there is no combustion. Anything burned produces harmful chemicals, you can burn your food and produce all sorts of nasty stuff including carcinogens.
    # BlackSmokeMatters
     
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    Yeah they say this is no good for you but hasn't stopped me!

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    But I did stop doing this!

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    Arsenic is one of the chemicals you won't inhale with a vape.
     
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    Looks like how my ash tray stayed :giggle: :blech:
    Got me wanting some grill burned thin cut ribeye with mushrooms, onions and peppers.
     
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    Funny how I used to like a full ashtray and now the smell of one turns me off. I still have some smokers for friends and can smell the cigarettes when they pull up in their cars.
     
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    Funny how you never noticed it before, used to think non smokers were just being difficult snobs, but it really does stink. My mother-n-law keeps an ashtray in her car and now I gag when I’m in it lol. A testament to how how helpful vaping is, she gets me to stop an pick up cigs for her often and it never crosses my mind to get some for myself.
     
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    Mmmnnn... Burnt ends?
     
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    What are ABT's?
     
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    I like formaldehyde. Keeps me younger.
     
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