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burley

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A belated merry Christmas to everyone, and a continuing happy holidays! I hope we all got our fill of the season so far. Don't mind me, just venting a wee bit - feel free to chime in and tell me what's on your mind as well.

Those familiar members of doubt and criticism aren't an uncommon thing, by far. Normally, I wouldn't let things bother me as much as they did yesterday, I'm a big proponent of treating nay-sayers like water off a duck's back - after all, this is my personal hobby and habit, and I'm not setting out to impress anyone, so why let the uninformed scold me on it, right?

So normally it doesn't bug me - but I'd sure like to just sit here and bitch about it for a second, because of the direction it took, and who was doing the dishing.

I've got this person in my family that I love, respect and admire. This person - a male - has been vaping in secret from his wife for the past year and a half or so to try and cut down on the cigarettes, and though I don't cheer for his secrecy, I have (a few times now) tried my hand at assisting him in his road to not-smoking anymore. Kind of a two sided blade, on one hand I want to help him off the ciggies, but on the other hand I don't want to contribute to his constant lying to his wife, a nice enough person of her own right. She "doesn't know" about his occasional cigarettes, either.

Yesterday we gathered and talked, and had some good times - until we went outside to let pop smoke a stinkie and I can get some nicotine in me myself.

First thing out of the gate, a comment is made about the noise my half-open Crown is making. Namely, "Oh man, is that one of those dumbass fans in there?" I had an idea that he'd have seen, or worked with someone that had a 'turbo' turbine in the mouthpiece of their vape. He probably works with vape bros a lot in his trade, so I go 'no, this is a somewhat recently purchased tank, the airflow is just open a bit.' I don't get down on the turbine thing, it has always felt like quite a gimmick and I've never even tried one, but to each their own!

Either way, he then proceeds to light a cigarette (remember, she "doesn't know," so we had to venture around the back of the garage by this point.) and complain about his vaping set up - which is an old CE5 on top of a VV eGo batt - both of which I got him as a gift about, well, seven or so months ago. Namely, it tastes like crap, he's spending too much money on juice, he's gotten dud coils from the pack, he doesn't get a satisfying vape anymore etc etc. I'm vaping a .25 stock Crown coil at 40w - barely enough to get the coils hot and stay satisfied myself, being respectful not to send out big ol' chunky "clouds" and all that. Without even really missing a beat, he starts knocking the vapor I'm putting out, talking about being a "cloud bro." Fine, whatever, ribbing is ribbing, right?

I'll joke back. "No, this is more what you're talking about." 75w, airflow opened up, max-vg juice in the tank - whoof.

"Yeah, bro, we get it - you vape." Dang. Quoting memes, fine. Alright, so, nevermind - I'll go the other way with it. I had told him all along about my DIY thing, we text and chat semi-regularly, so I haven't exactly kept the fact that I'm mixing my own juice a secret or anything. He, however, has never shown any interest in it, or making an "order" or asking to try it or anything. Yesterday, I found out why.

I offered to mix him up a couple bottles of juice of whatever flavor he'd like, help cut down on the cost - seeing as we don't meet face-to-face very often, I offered him a batch of whatever flavors he'd like. He alluded to the fact that I was vaping some form of bathtub juice or another, how it was cheap and different from store bought juice - about how I was using inferior flavorings and probably didn't know what I was even doing. At this point, it went from being playful and joking, a little friendly ribbing to kind of confrontational.

"There's four ingredients in juice - propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, fla-"

"Vegetable glycol."

"... I'm sorry, what?"

"Vegetable glycol. Not glycerin, glycol. See? You don't even know your own ingredients."

I mean, what the hell's going on here? Everything I give him ends up stolen "lol truck got broken into, your mod you gave me is gone now" (that prompted my going out and getting him a new set up), broken or "just shit" and thrown away. I'm mixing some dirty-ass bathtub juice with random shit I find the garage, and I'm out to gimmick my way to the biggest and most obnoxious clouds imaginable. I offer insight as to why his vape isn't cutting it, and I don't know what I'm talking about - obviously.

I didn't press the matter, we weren't outside all that long, but deep down I wanted to just shake him. "This tank is on the same coil it came with almost three weeks ago, I've put countless tanks' worth of juice through it - juice that I made personally, with ingredients and knowledge that I've taken interest in and invested actual time and effort into knowing about. It would be like questioning you on your trade, granted I'm not in the industry of vaping, but I'll bet you I know a helluva lot more about it than some of the people at the gas station you buy your shit juice from." Biting the hand that once fed you. Almost smacks of betrayal.

But I didn't say any of that, I kept things nice and mutually pleasant. I smiled, I nodded, I made nice and shook hands and gave out hugs when they boogied on outta there. But I sure as shit am not spending another dime, sending one more text or picture message, or offering diddly squat for advice on jack shit anymore pal. Not tomorrow, not next week. When your tank shits the bed and you want to know what to get, I'll send you a google url for a search result for another CE5.

So, yeah, this time - for the first, real time - it bothered me.

Alright, enough of my belly-aching. If this is the wrong place, please fix me :)

Thank you, and have a wonderful post-Christmas day.
 

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Dont let it get to you. When people bitch about my vaping i turn up the watts and straight cloud bank the place up to let em know how much i give a shit about their stupid opinions.

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Huckleberried

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Valiant effort sir. Time to move on.
Much agreed.

You put in the time and the effort, the ball is no longer in your court. You can either offer help to someone that really wants help, or just back away. He's not been successful with his "effort" in quitting, so he may be a bit miffed about that, who knows.

His wife... she knows he smokes.
 

burley

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Much agreed.

You put in the time and the effort, the ball is no longer in your court. You can either offer help to someone that really wants help, or just back away. He's not been successful with his "effort" in quitting, so he may be a bit miffed about that, who knows.

His wife... she knows he smokes.
I'm positive she does, there's no way she doesn't. Turning away from anymore influence will, at the very least, squash that guilt I feel over enabling the lies any further. And I'm sure at some point down the road I'll be thrown under the bus and put a spotlight on, you know, "when she finds out." Not looking forward to that, but from here on out my hands are going to be clean clean clean, of this whole thing.
 

Whiskey

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Yep, you totally went above and beyond, I have a niece that sounds just like this, I pointed her in the right direction after giving her 2 different set ups and some awesome juice, she complained the whole time, this that the other thing, so I told her where the shops are around here and gave her some vendor website info and called it good..
 

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Yeah I don't think he is ready to quit. When I was making the switch any advice or help was appreciated. I am sure this is the case for most people. That being said set a buddy up with a twenty watt I stick two tanks and juice (pif) , he vaped When he couldn't smoke then went back to full time smoking. Oh well at least you tried
 

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among each other vaping is perfectly sane, in fact it's the only sane alternative,but among the general public we are still a fringe group,of oddballs...and the vast majority of people don't like being the oddball, they don't like to stand out alone....until vaping becomes more common place people are still going to shun it and ridicule it.
 

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It's just the way of the world now-a-days. Vapers have been marginalized in the media. Though DIY is not well known yet, or maybe because it's not well known, it's bound to be marginalized even more by people. I get weird looks, raised eyebrows or even straight up, "that's weird" comments when I tell people I make my own. I'm not put off by it at all.

Hell, if you tell people you have some food put away and a generator in case the power goes out, the response is very close to the same. Skeptic looks and comments like you're some kind of 2012 end of the Mayan Calendar Doomsday Prepper. Um, no. I don't want all my pipes to freeze and burst and not not be able to eat if a blizzard takes out the power and roads for a couple days.
 

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Some relatives and "friends" will never get the idea of gratitude, nor thankfulness when it comes to relatives or friends helping someone out. That is exactly why I will never sell one of my used trucks or cars to a relative or friend.
 

smacksy

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I'm a vaper and I feel this is the rudest bullshit anybody could pull. Never expect backup from me with an attitude like this.
Treat people with courtesy and respect otherwise they might feed your BS back to you.
Don't know where you hang out vaping but when I'm gambling good money in a poker game down at the casino I blow clouds into those nasty ass tobacco smoker's face when they blow their smoke my way....respect and courtesy go two ways...lol

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Sometimes you just can't make people happy. In those instances, you're fully justified if you stop trying to make them happy when you aren't getting paid for the hassle.

Most of the vapers I converted I'm very happy to help out. They're pleased by the assistance and thank me for it.

One cousin can go hang, however--he expected me to make his liquid (free), redo his coils (free and at his convenience), and supply him with anything I no longer use (free, of course). He never says thank you and anything I gave him was never good enough. So no, I am NOT going to buy flavoring and design a new recipe just for you (at my cost in dollars and time). Go away.
 

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I look at it this way, you tried all you could, introduced him to an alternative, maybe planted a seed for when he is serious. At the end of the day, you can lay your head down knowing you did all you could and feel good about you, nothing else matters. Not attitudes or opinions. You did the right thing.
 

burley

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Thank you, I appreciate it. I mean, you can lead a horse to water... but you can't make it respect vaping as a valid alternative to smoking and/or a productive hobby with a vibrant community of innovation surrounding it. Dumb horse. ;)
 

Thejackson5

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The glue factory might need that horse. Sorry horse lovers
 

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I talked to a guy the other day, that was trying to vape (a total of 9 hours, so far), and his wife didn't know he smoked. Because he works with smokers. I just laughed at him, and went about my way.

You can't fix stupid.
 

SailCat

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Sad to say, but in my limited experience, providing equipment and e-liquids to a smoker has resulted in limited success. It seems the value of the items received for free, regardless of the quality, is minimized. If it was free to me, it can't be very good, right?

In addition, gifting gear to a smoker means the person on the receiving end has made no decision to change, whereas the decision to buy for oneself is, in and of itself is a commitment. Having made even a minimal investment, an individual will try to get some worth from the items.

As most folks who help others, I am gratified by the act. On the other hand, we are frustrated and discouraged when that act of kindness is unsuccessful or denigrated.

As a result of this experience over the years, I resist the impulse to hand out gear to others unasked, without an indication substantial interest or some form of minimal commitment on their part.

People who get somethin' for nothin' feel it's worth every penny they paid. The larger issue, however, is that they have made no commitment to change their behavior, to make that choice of a safer alternative to smoking those damn cigarettes.
 

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