Ok, here is my rant
On ecf they are now saying that THIS has divided the community and Joe is the cause of it. They are bitching about all the 'bad talk' and 'downing' of ecf over here in our celebrations.
Joe, the run down of what THEIR take is on this is, you have now divided the vaping community when we need to be standing together more than ever so we can fight the FDA. Ummmmmmmm BULLSHIT. ECF has divided this community and caused all of the ill feelings.
I have been vaping since 2007 and i RECALL every year this poll has been done, ecf PROUDLY announced and patted themselves on the back for the WIN and being THE BEST. Big ole banners across the top of the page. NOW they have lost and the poll is bullshit and Joe is the cause of the community being divided.
Can someone please check the member count at ecf and check the member count here? Then compare the poll totals to the member counts? ecf can only rally 1500 members to vote for them?? I have checked and I must be mistaken on my numbers.
Nope, Joe is not the problem here atall.
A little something something that REALLY chaps my ass red hot.... I am in a co-op over there that STARTED MAY 18, 2012. The damn thing has not ended YET. THANKS YOU j0ker. Carry that one back and what i am about to say here Salem God and who ever else decides to drop by here.
This co op is for a mini scuba gen V3 created by Dan. The host kept stalling and excuse after excuse. We finally learned that the host had stolen the money for the co op and the machinist he hired had not been paid.
This is just a quick run down on this fiasco. Google it and read the 616 pages of bullshit.
Click Bang Shoot had this on one of his shows and Mad Murdock came on and he donated a shit load of Pluid, if i recall, GALLONS of Pluid, that was to be sold and all of the money was to be put toward paying the machinist so that we could get our mini scubas.
That went fine. All the Pluid sold quickly. j0ker even had a few auctions of donated items to further raise more money. Funds were made quickly because the community rallied around all of us in that co op.
j0ker came in and took over the co op. WELLLLLLL over a year later, we still dont have the damn atty's. Turned out really lovely for all of us. Thanks j0ker.
We ended up having to pay even MORE money to get the glass tubes cut because the machinist was not sure if he could cut the glass or not. Something HE signed up for when he agreed to make the atty's. So j0ker took money from who ever wanted a glass tube, tubes we had already paid for when we signed up in 2012.
j0ker has mailed out a FEW of the attys but then everything came to a screeching halt.
j0ker's excuses are becoming worse than the co op host's were. Working long hours and no time to mail. Classwife keeps popping in saying poor j0ker blah blah blah
We got a few updates and then his dad got sick and all communication stopped.
People have offered to meet up with him and get the attys and get them to all of us. j0ker is silent. notta word.
The last update we have gotten from j0ker is JULY 9, 2914. Yup SIX MONTHS AGO...
I don't know if j0ker's ego want let him hand over the responsibility or if he paid the machinist and the machinist never delivered all the atty's. No idea and we are LEFT HANGING to only speculate what the TRUE problem is here.
I know co op's are an at your own risk gamble BUT when you have a man come forward and donate THOUSANDS of dollars of his product, product that supports his lively hood, the at your own risk flys out the fucking door and the co op has no excuse to do ANYTHING BUT DELIVER.
Mad Murdock has not posted on ECF in over a year and I wonder if this has something, if not everything to do with it. If I donated THOUSANDS of dollars that was to go towards a screwed up co op and that co op STILL SITS with no rhyme nor reason, I know I would be pissed.
Now, j0ker is the co op forum manager and when OTHERS have ass'ed around with a co op I have seen them banned. SO WHY IS j0ker STILL THERE?????
Oh YEAH, I am pissed and so are alot of other people.
Joe dividing the community? I say NAY NAY. This is just ONE of the MANY things ecf has pulled that has divided this community.
I could typed 15 thread pages worth of shit from the past 7 years that i personally am aware of.
Nope, Joe has not divided the community ECF has. THAT IS WHY WE ARE ALL HERE AND NOT THERE and that is why VU won all the awards this year.
So, Salem or who ever drops by here , could you take this 'tidbit' back to ECF and tell j0ker we want our fucking attys and Mad Merdock would probably appreciate it as well. Maybe you can get the message to him for us because our messages apparently are in the junk box.
GO JOE GO