Looking for a build for flavor, but not too hot

[kh888]

Hi All,

I have really been struggling with vaping as of late. I have had a lot of lung and throat irritation and have gone through all the processes of limiting, pg, vg, so on and so forth.

Much to my surprise, I have just set up a Mephisto RDA with a single parallel coil (.8 ohms/30 gauge kanthal) for use at 14 watts. The vapor is plenty enough for me and cool enough, too! Additionally, the flavor is quite good.

So...I am looking for other suggestions to keep me along this track. I am terrible with Ohms law, so go easy on me...speak slowly, with very precise descriptors and directions. LOL!

Builds and RDA input welcome!

Thanks!

 

[Panther1911]

my favorite flavor set up is a magma RDA clone on a mechanical mod. I did dual coils, 28ga kanthal 9 wraps around a 3/32" rod. I did them micro coil style where all the coils are touching. I wicked it with Japanese organic cotton. It clocks in at around 0.8 ohms (on a mechanical mod with a fully charged battery that is around 22watts). Another thing is that I have the coils about 1mm off the deck right over the air holes.

The vapor production is decent, the flavor is great, and I find the vapor to be cool, but I find the drip top to get warm when chain vaping (even though the vapor is cool)

 

[UncleRJ]

Others will chime in here soon enough.

But I do have a thought or two.

I like to build with 27 gauge Kanthal so I can get extra wraps for more surface area exposure and with two coils, I normally end up at around 0.5 ohms.

Also the thicker gauge coils last longer than the 30 gauge will. And for me the thicker gauge is easier to work with as well.

And since you have mentioned that you are vaping at 14 watts, it leads me to believe that you are using a VW device so the temp is directly under your control.

I also prefer the Orchid series of RBA as I have no patience for dripping.

And I also refuse to drip and drive!

 

[Browncoat]

The best for me is 22 ga, 6 wraps @ 3mm. Usually lands between 0.35-0.38 ohms. It's a pretty warm vape though, but tons of flavor and a good amount of vapor for a single coil.

 

[KeyserSoze]

I'm kind of in the same boat with nasal irritation issues and wanting more flavor in general. Sorry to the OP that you've had to deal with that. Hugs.

I've been a die hard RDA guy since my first (and only) RBA, a KF 3.1. I still hate the sight of that thing. I'm happy to report that I've finally overcome my PTSD as related to RBA's and clicked "buy" on a Tobeco Orchid V4 tonight (hugs to UncleRJ :wink.

Regardless of all that, I still want to find a good coil build for my RDA's that is over 0.2 ohms and has great flavor. I've yet to find anything over 0.19 ohms that has crazy flavor. My 'go to' coil for mech mod use is parallel 26ga 1/8" 5 wrap duals @ 0.19 ohms on a MutationXv1 (yes I know, terrible flavor atty but it works very well). In my Hobo, I run regular 25ga duals @ 0.3 ohms and it's OK. But just OK, flavor wise. On the IPV3 I run 24ga duals, 10wraps @0.45 ohms around 70W with a MXv2 and it gets pretty good flavor. Still... just pretty good.

I have the clouds all figured out (and I'm pretty much done with that phase) but I'm missing something when it comes to coil builds and flavor chasing. Is it twisted coils? Fused Clapton? Zippers paralleled with claptons? Take every gauge of Kanthal I have and twist it until it breaks and wrap a nano with that shit? Or is it that 1/8" isn't the only diameter? I have other drill bits... I just don't use them unless I'm building on the Hobo, which doesn't have room for 1/8". I'm not sure how to wick anything else any more.

I know a little about heat flux, heat capacity and surface area. From what I've learned... More surface area = more flavor. More surface area also = more heat capacity (death for me on a mech mod after about 65 mJ K^-1). I haven't found the right balance yet when it comes to a mech (except for said parallel 26ga setup). I can throw anything on my IPV3 and make it chuck clouds and flavor but I just LOVE my SMPL/MXv1 combo. I know it can make the flavor. I just KNOW it can.

 

[kh888]

Thank you for the input and suggestions. I really appreciate the help! If there are any more ideas, please feel free to tee them up!

 

[Daniel]

Thank you for the input and suggestions. I really appreciate the help! If there are any more ideas, please feel free to tee them up!

Tee time!! I'm using a mech box paired with a Vulcan RDA, dual macro coils wrapped with 26g Kanthal, sitting at .41 ohms. I get oodles of flavor, 10 pounds of clouds, so thick I have to wait until they clear so I can see anything. I went to RDA's awhile back, at the advice of a friend, & I haven't went back to tanks. The flavor just overwhelmed me, & I'm not willing to give that up.

I do have a black Taifun I keep ready to take with me when I go out & about, so I don't drip & drive...tried that shit once, & it didn't work out....lol. But here at the house, it's RDA's, all day long. I do the DIY thing, & pretty much the 2 MAIN flavors I have with me at all times is the Grant's Custard Clone, & Rocket Puppy's RY4 Double. That one had me buy a 4 oz bottle of RY4 Double from my friend Drew @ Bull City, so I wouldn't run out....I do have a couple of chocolates, thanks to HIC, but I change to cooler coils for them.

Most all of my RDA's are Vulcans, I do have a Magma, a Dark Horse, a Hobo & a Doge, & I'm always on the lookout for another RDA known for good flavor, but I am attached to the Vulcans. In my opinion, they are worthy of a try, & if you try it and don't like it, I'll buy it from you.....

 

[Rommel]

24 gauge five wrap macros 3mm ID is my go-to setup now a days. Depending on the atomizer and wire of course. With Nichrome 80 usually i usually do seven wraps. With an atomizer like the Doge i use 22 gauge.

 

[Browncoat]

Decided to get fancy tonight and do my first twisted build: 24 ga twisted (x2 wires) - 2.5mm ID - 6 wraps = 0.33 ohms. Flavor for days, lots of vapor, and a warm vape. A 2-3 second pull is really all you need.

I've been skeptical about all these crazy twisted/Clapton/weirdo builds. To me, it was just coil porn from guys who like to tinker with stuff. But I gotta say, this stuff is legit. The coil heats up and cools down faster due to increased surface area. I typically build a 22 ga - 3.0mm ID build that ends up in the same 0.35-0.40 range, and the twisted version is a superior coil in every way.

 

[Thejoebear]

Decided to get fancy tonight and do my first twisted build: 24 ga twisted (x2 wires) - 2.5mm ID - 6 wraps = 0.33 ohms. Flavor for days, lots of vapor, and a warm vape. A 2-3 second pull is really all you need.

I've been skeptical about all these crazy twisted/Clapton/weirdo builds. To me, it was just coil porn from guys who like to tinker with stuff. But I gotta say, this stuff is legit. The coil heats up and cools down faster due to increased surface area. I typically build a 22 ga - 3.0mm ID build that ends up in the same 0.35-0.40 range, and the twisted version is a superior coil in every way.

The twisted and parallel is as wild as I get. In my opinion those both have the best flavor around. Unless I'm just making some monster 22g duals on the Plume for the fun of it, I only use those two coils. Typically with 24g or 26g. I definitely suggest finding the twisted gauge you like to work with and just go town and make like 20 feet of the shit. It'll last an almost literal forever.

 

[MacGyvaper]

I agree with uncle. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of smaller 30ga coils in my kayfuns but IMO 30 guage works best above 1.2 ohm in the 8-12 watt range. Since you are at .8 ohm around 14-15 W I would try your same build with 28ga and see how it tastes. It will get you a few more wraps and/or allow you to maybe bump up diameter a notch. Just something to try.

 

[KeyserSoze]

The twisted and parallel is as wild as I get. In my opinion those both have the best flavor around. Unless I'm just making some monster 22g duals on the Plume for the fun of it, I only use those two coils. Typically with 24g or 26g. I definitely suggest finding the twisted gauge you like to work with and just go town and make like 20 feet of the shit. It'll last an almost literal forever.

I've tried 26 and 28 gauge twisted on my IPV3 with good results but fell back to 24ga 10 wrap 1/8" duals for the regulated mod. It wouldn't do much on a mech though. I run it at 5.5V and up on the IPV3. 24ga twisted is up next on the mech for sure after your experience.

Decided to get fancy tonight and do my first twisted build: 24 ga twisted (x2 wires) - 2.5mm ID - 6 wraps = 0.33 ohms. Flavor for days, lots of vapor, and a warm vape. A 2-3 second pull is really all you need.

I've been skeptical about all these crazy twisted/Clapton/weirdo builds. To me, it was just coil porn from guys who like to tinker with stuff. But I gotta say, this stuff is legit. The coil heats up and cools down faster due to increased surface area. I typically build a 22 ga - 3.0mm ID build that ends up in the same 0.35-0.40 range, and the twisted version is a superior coil in every way.

If you have a straight piece left could you post the "twist pitch"? The length of wire of 10 twists maybe? I want to recreate your build. I use a drill to twist so I can twist what I would consider "too tight" for a mech.

Thanks.

 

[Mike H.]

Considering you have power you may even try a coil with ALOT of wraps..I did a 30g 12 or 13 wrap coil in a simple kanger evod that came out to a whopping 2.7 ohms....If surface area equals flavor as peple say, then try it....Not saying it has to be 13 wraps but its not always about as many wraps on the thickest guage wire you can find and be as low of an ohm as possible...Dont be afraid to allow ohms to go up.

I just did 8 wraps on a 2.4mm i.d. on 30g and have 2.1ohms on my Taifun GT...11 watts is giving me a barely warm vape...plenty of vapor and awesome flavor.

 

[Browncoat]

If you have a straight piece left could you post the "twist pitch"? The length of wire of 10 twists maybe? I want to recreate your build. I use a drill to twist so I can twist what I would consider "too tight" for a mech.

I couldn't really say for sure, man. I threw the excess away hours ago.

All I did was cut x2 pieces to length (I used my keyboard to measure LOL) and then twisted them with a cordless drill by putting tension on the other end with a pair of needle nose vice grips. I stopped when the wire snapped, so the wrap is about as tight as you can get it.

 

[nightshard]

Of you want better flavor, try one of the many RDAs built for flavor, like the Veritas, Marquis, Magma, etc..

 

[Anus Braun]

I wanna find the BEST build fer a Mute X V2, on a Hex, that won't roast the juice, immediately. I'd LIKE to be able to run at nearer four + volts, without melting a bare coil, in three seconds, and pulling the absolute in watts. Flavor is more important than clouds. The little beast's a real cooker.

 

[KeyserSoze]

I couldn't really say for sure, man. I threw the excess away hours ago.

All I did was cut x2 pieces to length (I used my keyboard to measure LOL) and then twisted them with a cordless drill by putting tension on the other end with a pair of needle nose vice grips. I stopped when the wire snapped, so the wrap is about as tight as you can get it.

Good enough calculation for me. I just twisted some up pretty tight but not until it snapped. Ran steam engine to see what the numbers looked like with 0.06" pitch (what I ended up with). At 1/8" ID (3.18mm) at 6 wraps comes out to 0.2 ohms. My twist is looser is what that tells me since the diameter is larger AND the ohms are quite a bit lower.

I'm not going to twist it tighter since the heat flux is way lower than what I normally run (121 vs 200-250) and the heat capacity is WAY higher than most anything I've ever ran @ 151. I'm worried about the ramp up and down time since my heat capacity is for mech mod use is usually around 50. In my experience the mass of the coil affects ramp up and down. More wire = more surface area but also = more heat capacity (ramp time). Not less.

Are you using a regulated or mech mod?

 

[KeyserSoze]

Just running numbers but it looks like 28ga twisted parallel duals gives approx the same heat as 24ga twisted with 33% the heat capacity. Going to try those before trying the 24ga twisted.

 

[KeyserSoze]

I wanna find the BEST build fer a Mute X V2, on a Hex, that won't roast the juice, immediately. I'd LIKE to be able to run at nearer four + volts, without melting a bare coil, in three seconds, and pulling the absolute in watts. Flavor is more important than clouds. The little beast's a real cooker.

You have the Hex mech mod? Or a hexohm regulated? Sounds like the Hexohm, just making sure. I've ran my MXv2 at 8V with 26ga spaced coils @ 0.39 ohms without melting coils. To be fair, this was the fastest I could possibly press the fire button and snap a pic. More than 2 or 3 sec on the button might have popped one of those poor coils. This was a dual purpose experiment in cloud chasing and DIY incandescent flashlights.

I built the 28ga twisted parallel coils on the MXv1 and a copper SMPL. 0.19 ohms (lower than I wanted to go but didn't have room for more wraps) 1/8" ID, 6 wraps. Is over 2 feet of 28ga Kanthal a lot of surface area? It works great but it's kind of weird. It runs so cool it doesn't make a lot of noise. I didn't know the coils were working until the vapor was coming out my ears. I didn't know if it would work at all so it's slapped together and pretty ugly but I'll probably rock this build for a few days at least. It's got me inspired to try more twisted builds with smaller wire. Triple twisted 28ga might be next. If I can find a build around 0.25-0.3 ohms that keeps the heat capacity under 70 and the heat flux around 150 I think I'll be in heaven.

 

[Anus Braun]

Yah, HexOhm V2...not rated to over 5+ volts...

 

[KeyserSoze]

Yah, HexOhm V2...not rated to over 5+ volts...

24ga Kanthal, 1/8" ID, 8 or 9 wraps. It'll rock at 5V. I run 10 wraps from 5.5 to 6V and it's a great vape. When running lower watts (55-65) I close off 3 holes. Stock drip tip.

 

[ej1024]

24ga Kanthal, 1/8" ID, 8 or 9 wraps. It'll rock at 5V. I run 10 wraps from 5.5 to 6V and it's a great vape. When running lower watts (55-65) I close off 3 holes. Stock drip tip.

It's really hard to give suggestions on this because vaping is very subjective, here's what I can tell you
Start using NICHROME WIRES!! do a twisted coil, I'm not talking about twisting 2 wires together, I'm talking about twisting a coil until it gets stiff!! 26 g nichrome 7/8 wraps on 1/8...get a derringer RDA... Yummy!

 

[KeyserSoze]

It's really hard to give suggestions on this because vaping is very subjective, here's what I can tell you
Start using NICHROME WIRES!! do a twisted coil, I'm not talking about twisting 2 wires together, I'm talking about twisting a coil until it gets stiff!! 26 g nichrome 7/8 wraps on 1/8...get a derringer RDA... Yummy!

Very true, some people's dream vape is crap to other people. I forget that even though my way is the right way (obviously), some people may not agree.

I've read and heard a lot of good things about Nichrome. I'll end up getting some but I have a few hundred feet of Kanthal to use first. Need to build some more coils!

Whatchu mean "twist a coil until it gets stiff"?

The Derringer is on the short list of gear to buy when the tax return comes in. I'm getting a sassy mod too for a pocket rig.

 

[Anus Braun]

Nichrome has been used as a resistance wire, fer decades...I'm surprised more folks aren't using it, 'long as the resistance hits the right point, per coils..

 

[ej1024]

Very true, some people's dream vape is crap to other people. I forget that even though my way is the right way (obviously), some people may not agree.

I've read and heard a lot of good things about Nichrome. I'll end up getting some but I have a few hundred feet of Kanthal to use first. Need to build some more coils!

Whatchu mean "twist a coil until it gets stiff"?

The Derringer is on the short list of gear to buy when the tax return comes in. I'm getting a sassy mod too for a pocket rig.

Get a drill pull the wire on one end with a little slack then put the other end on the drill...slowly pull the trigger until the coil gets stiff...

 

[ej1024]

Nichrome has been used as a resistance wire, fer decades...I'm surprised more folks aren't using it, 'long as the resistance hits the right point, per coils..

Anus, kanthal is cheaper, harder and thicker and last longer that's why a lot of vape shops use this for buildings.. Yup I agree a lot of capers don't know about nichrome, I like it I have 22g and 26g for my rta what a big difference in flavor!

 

[Anus Braun]

Anus, kanthal is cheaper, harder and thicker and last longer that's why a lot of vape shops use this for buildings.. Yup I agree a lot of capers don't know about nichrome, I like it I have 22g and 26g for my rta what a big difference in flavor!

Went into a 'recommended' vape shop in Springfield out on S.Campbell, that's where I found the AR knock-off; they get about nineteen bucks, fer Sony VTR (?)-4's...theft. pretty good cinnamon roll juice, house mixes only. Profit, doncha kno'...tried to get 'build' done, they won't do it, liability, I suggested a disclaimer form. Every time I played paintball, the 'form'.

 

[Citizen]

I also prefer the Orchid series of RBA as I have no patience for dripping.

And I also refuse to drip and drive!

Amen!!!!

 

[KeyserSoze]

Get a drill pull the wire on one end with a little slack then put the other end on the drill...slowly pull the trigger until the coil gets stiff...

Aha, I gotcha. That's how every single one of my coil builds start out. Had to have the gf help with the other end of the small wire when I tried my second Clapton, since the first clapton was like 2" long...

Got that derringer btw. It's a drooly little girl but I love the way she vapes. I built it for use on a mech (26ga duals @ 0.5 ohms) but have been running it on my IPV3 at 30W a lot (only because it doesn't fit on the Sigelei mini 30). It's the 2nd dumbest looking rig I've ever put together but fuck it, it works great.

 

[Panther1911]

Aha, I gotcha. That's how every single one of my coil builds start out. Had to have the gf help with the other end of the small wire when I tried my second Clapton, since the first clapton was like 2" long...

Got that derringer btw. It's a drooly little girl but I love the way she vapes. I built it for use on a mech (26ga duals @ 0.5 ohms) but have been running it on my IPV3 at 30W a lot (only because it doesn't fit on the Sigelei mini 30). It's the 2nd dumbest looking rig I've ever put together but fuck it, it works great.

lol!

I tried mine on my sigelei 150W it was a little goofy, but normally run it on my praxis mech mod

 

[ej1024]

Aha, I gotcha. That's how every single one of my coil builds start out. Had to have the gf help with the other end of the small wire when I tried my second Clapton, since the first clapton was like 2" long...

Got that derringer btw. It's a drooly little girl but I love the way she vapes. I built it for use on a mech (26ga duals @ 0.5 ohms) but have been running it on my IPV3 at 30W a lot (only because it doesn't fit on the Sigelei mini 30). It's the 2nd dumbest looking rig I've ever put together but fuck it, it works great.

Yup, I like the way the derringer vapes but!!!! Not for me, the mini freak show is a lot better!! IMO

 

[scarecrowjenkins]

When it comes to flavor for me, few things touch the zipper coil. Super easy to make and the flavor is crazy. The channels between the wires carry the juice evenly through the coil so it's a super pleasurable vape. Staggered fused clapton is a very close second, but takes forever to make.

have a single coil on my derringer and it hardly gets warm, though i seem to get better flavor when the vapor is warmer. But as a single coil it's cool and VERY flavorful!

 

[Xhalin]

Tee time!! I'm using a mech box paired with a Vulcan RDA, dual macro coils wrapped with 26g Kanthal, sitting at .41 ohms. I get oodles of flavor, 10 pounds of clouds, so thick I have to wait until they clear so I can see anything. I went to RDA's awhile back, at the advice of a friend, & I haven't went back to tanks. The flavor just overwhelmed me, & I'm not willing to give that up.

I do have a black Taifun I keep ready to take with me when I go out & about, so I don't drip & drive...tried that shit once, & it didn't work out....lol. But here at the house, it's RDA's, all day long. I do the DIY thing, & pretty much the 2 MAIN flavors I have with me at all times is the Grant's Custard Clone, & Rocket Puppy's RY4 Double. That one had me buy a 4 oz bottle of RY4 Double from my friend Drew @ Bull City, so I wouldn't run out....I do have a couple of chocolates, thanks to HIC, but I change to cooler coils for them.

Most all of my RDA's are Vulcans, I do have a Magma, a Dark Horse, a Hobo & a Doge, & I'm always on the lookout for another RDA known for good flavor, but I am attached to the Vulcans. In my opinion, they are worthy of a try, & if you try it and don't like it, I'll buy it from you.....

How many wraps are doing on the flavor machine with 26g? Thanks in advance...

 

[Daniel]

How many wraps are doing on the flavor machine with 26g? Thanks in advance...

Most of the time I do 6 wraps. It's been working out real well that way, so I plan on staying with the same routine for awhile.

 

[Xhalin]

Got a fat spool of 26 sitting here- I usually go 24, but I'll give it a try - thanks again