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  1. Claybuster77

    Claybuster77 New Member

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    hey guys i am a big cloud chaser. i love my flavor builds but i like to keep a cloud build ready for fun. im always looking for a better build and have built on both mech and regulated mods. i have built with both kanthal and nichrome. i recently bought 550 ft of assorted ss316L wire (22-36 gauge wire) and am comfortable building low. i have a great understanding of battery safety and know my limits on mech mods. if i get too low i can use tem p control on my box mods to safely run super sub ohm. i have run .07 on my mech mod safely but wont go any lower. even then i get uneasy until i have run these coils for a bit. i consider myself an good builder and am looking for advice on cloud builds. especially with ss316L
     
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    Did you mean 0.7 or 0.07? For as long as I've been building (only a few months) I always aim for 0.2ohms. I recently found out that none of my clapton wire is any good because the wrap is too thick (32g, everyone tells me I should try 36 or 38). I like my basic round wire builds a lot better. Twisted or parallel 26g or 24g.

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    Sorry i did mean .07. If you are looking for a good build for clouds with kanthal use 5 wraps of 20 gauge dual coil around 3mm id. If you are using nichrome use 6 or 5 with 2.5mm or 3mm. You can use those on mech mods. I've even done 5 wraps of 24g 316L or 22g 316L on 2.5mm with a mech mod. Just be sure you have either the LG he2 batteries or the efest purple 18650s
     
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    I've been building for a good bit lol
     
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    [​IMG]
    3 Strands of 26ga SS316L Wrapped in Parallel 7 times around a 2.4mm - Dual Coils
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    3 Wraps of 20ga Kanthal around a 3mm - Dual Coil
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    Triple-Core Alien Coils - 26ga SS316L Cores with 36ga NiChrome 80 decor - 5-Wraps around a 3mm - Dual Coils


    You're not drinking water are you?! You realize that stuff is found in antifreeze!?!
     
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    Ive seen that 3 wrap 20 gauge build by havent tried it yet.

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    I've been playing around. I've actually built a 26/32g ss316l 5 wrap around a 2.5 jig that chucks pretty good cloud and has pretty good flavor. Im vaping on it as we speak. Has pretty good ramp up on a mech mod. [​IMG]

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    It’s right at the limit you said you will build down to at .07. Extremely hot build, so, need lots of airflow. Pulse firing is best with fresh batteries...once they drain a bit, longer pulls are doable


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    Im using my new ijoy rdta 5s from i joy

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    Lol the water and antifreeze thing makes me laugh. Im a big car guy


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    Good Series Box Build
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    Dual Parallel Single Core Claptons - 28ga Kanthal Core with 32ga Kanthal Wrap - 8 Wraps around a 3mm.


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    I dont have a series box but i have an xcube 2 and a gpriv. I'll look into those

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    I would never EVER use efest batteries on a mech mod. Especially with a build of .07. Efests are rewraps of other companies batteries that didn't meet their specifications. So you're gambling with your safety.

    Edit: They say they're rated for 35amps. That a bunch of shit. No 35A 18650 battery exists as far as i know. I bet those efests are pulling closer to 15-20 amps
     
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    They are rewraps, some used to be 20 amp, but some also tested as 10amp!
    Companies that put a ridiculous amp rating like 35 amps on a 3000mah battery should have them taped to their dicks with a 35 amp load.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.re...mv/efest_purple_20a_3500mah_18650_bench_test/
     
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    No shit, bet he wouldn't put his dick on the line for a sale.

    Salesmen: Here buy these super 1337 efest.
    Me: strap my series .07 build to your balls and take a few pulse puffs.


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    Man, I was just browsing dh gate and was amazed at all the cloned VTC5A’s. I’m not one to condemn cloned mods/RDA’s, I have several clones of authentics I would never put the kind of cash down even if I was rich for what they want for the real deal. Others are companies who I love their product but dislike the douche bags who own the company and I’d never give them my hard earned money, but cloning batteries is lower than whale shit, putting people in danger for a buck.

    People especially new vapers, get your shit from a known good source like IMR or lions.
     
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    As you can see by the chart I posted. Unless you are using a parallel box mod for a mech, you are preparing to blow your face off. There is NO 18650 batttery rated above 30amps so if you are vaping 0.07ohms with a single battery, at some point you will become a statistic. Please make sure you are either running a parallel box mod with 2 Batteries rated at a minimum of 25 amps CDR or increase your resistance. Thank you.

    Sincerely,
    Every vaper who does not want to see you in the Main Stream Media with shrapnel in your face.

    CV :)
     
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    Yes, I understand that. But you should always build for the CDR rating, not maximum. The Maximum is a safety cushion and should not be used as your amp rating for builds. Safety should always come first with these batteries. There are plenty of parallel box mods on the market that would be fine with good batteries and a 0.07ohm build. So why take chances when there is no need to?

    CV :)
     
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    The Mooch battery chart lists the HB6 Pink as having the highest CDR at 32A.
     
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    Than I stand corrected. I had not seen that one before. Thank you for the update. I apologize for not seeing that before. I do follow Mooch for recommendations and ratings, but that must be a newer one I had not seen before. Again, I apologize for the oversight. Thank you for the correction. My comment above still stands for a 0.07ohm build though. 32amps would still be grossly underrated for a 0.07ohm build.

    Happy Vaping!
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    Just updated today.
     
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    You Rock Polargirl!!!!! :stars:
     
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    "We pulse our batteries when we vape. This means we can use them at much higher levels than what the continuous current tests show."
    https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/b...ngs-picking-a-safe-battery-to-vape-with.7447/

    I vape at .11 ohms on a mech with just a single VTC5A battery all the time. You just need to make sure you know what you're doing and the fire button never gets pressed on accident for a long time... if I pull out the battery it never feels warmer than 45°C/113°F so that's how I know I'm not causing more wear and tear on it than what's still considered as 'normal use'.
     
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    0.11 ohms will only pull 31.82 amps at 3.5 volts (which is about right with voltage sag). That means you are pretty close to the CDR. The 0.07ohm build is at 50 amps at 3.5 volts. I mean I know it doesn't sound like much, but 0.07 ohms and 0.11 ohms is a much bigger difference than what it looks like. To each their own though. I just want everyone to be safe. I see a lot of posts where people are pushing the limits more than needed. My number one concern is that nobody gets hurt. My second concern is the bad press it will cause when a battery does vent and explodes a mod in someone's face.

    Happy Vaping!
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    According to Mooch's pulsed current data, the voltage sag of a freshly charged VTC5A if pulsed at 30 amps is only about .5 volts so 4.2 minus .5 equals 3.7 volts. But 3.7 volts divided by .11 ohms equals ~33.64 amps, not 30 amps. So the voltage sag I'm getting is slightly bigger than .5 volts, and, therefore I'm only at ~3⅔ volts, not at 3.7 volts. 3⅔ volts divided by .11 ohms equals ~33⅓ amps, which is still 3⅓ above Mooch's MVA rating for the VTC5A. But as the battery gets discharged a little further with every pull, the volts go down so, due to Ohm's law, the amps go down with every pull as well, thus moving closer toward the MVA rating as time passes. Further, the resistance of a coil build goes up as the coils heat up (and in fact it heats up to pretty high temperatures after the wicks get dry in the event that the fire button gets pressed on accident for a long time), and, in addition, we need to also factor in the resistance of the tube mod. Finally, I never press my fire button on accident. That's simply because I have a little bit of extra wisdom.
     
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    Damn, those black vapcells coming out of nowhere giving the HB6 a run for their money. Personally I’m a VTC5A fan, lately I hang around .13 on tubes and appreciate the extra mah. Some good points above, once you get down into super sub ohm territory even a fraction of a fraction of an ohm makes way more difference in amp draw. When we are .1 that’s only 1/10 of an ohm away from a dead short.
    Definitely tread lightly and never get too comfortable, keep that respect and bit of fear that makes you stop and think :cheers:
     
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    Due to Ohm's law, the relationship between the ohms and amps is inverse linear. In addition, the more amp draw, the bigger the voltage sag causing the volts to go down. Now, also due to Ohm's law, the relationship between the volts and amps is linear so no, it doesn't make way more difference in amp draw, but rather, the difference ( =the increase) in amp draw actually grows smaller and smaller as the ohms go down. Finally, because the relationship between the watts and amps is linear, as is the relationship between the watts and volts, the difference ( =the increase) in watts grows much more smaller as the ohms go down. (The fact the volts go down works in tandem with the fact the difference in amp draw goes down as well.) So the bottom line is with a single VTC5A in a mech, the farther you go below .11 ohms ( =the sweet spot for me on a single VTC5A in a mech), the less additional watts you gain in return. Below .11 ohms you're just taxing the VTC5A more so it is less safe, and, both the longevity ( =the cycle life) and the runtime start to fall down steeply.

    But if you can be happy with .13 instead, then such is your luck. Me, on a single VTC5A, I prefer 27g/36g Nichrome80 aliens dual coil at 4.5 wraps, 2.5mm ID. I love the VTC5A. I love the iJoy 20700 (Molicel 20700 rewrap, but it performs the same) and the iJoy 26650 as well, though, albeit only in a dual series mech. For a single battery mech I will continue to use both the VTC5A and the iJoy 20700. However, for single battery use, I hope to move from the iJoy 20700 to this one in a near future:
    https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...rately-rated-a-sanyo-ncr20700a-rewrap.837069/
    ...as it performs the same as the non-rewrap (and nowhere to be found) Sanyo NCR20700A.
     
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    Think I'm going to get a 20700 mod, looking at the 2JNT Dragon right now pretty hard (IMO the make the best Mod period). So I sucked it up the high shipping cost and just bought 4 Sanyo NCR20700A.
     
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    Do you mean the Pilak Supremo 24mm? It's gorgeous, but I don't see myself constantly polishing a silver mod... and I wouldn't want to trade my Hagermann Admiral 2 of 5 for it. :D
     
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    Yep and Silver isn't difficult to keep clean at all. It's much, much easier than Copper. Plus you'll never get a harder or smoother hit.

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