Lost Vape Therion 166 (DNA250)

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  1. GKG2017

    GKG2017 Bronze Contributor

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    On my therion 166. The third preset was SS316. Now it's says Watts. Im still able to use T/C so it seems. But when I press the fire button it shows the wattage instead.

    Is there a fix to this so when I press the fire button it shows the Temp instead of Watts.
     
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  2. MarkS

    MarkS Gold Contributor Member For 2 Years

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    I always run the case/temperature analysis, Mod resistance, and battery analysis on every DNA Mod I get/make.


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  3. gadget!

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    I joined because I found this thread.
    I got a 166 yesterday and I read this entire thread.
    Good information here!
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    SCORE!
    I just bought a Black Carbon Fiber Edition - Elephant for 116.96 shipped (US Seller).
    I was trying to find a Snake skin and found them on sale for 129.95 at maxvaping.com but all they had in stock was Elephant.
    I had a 10% discount for reviewing one of their products and shipping is free on orders over 50.00...
    Win Win Win!

    I wanted to share the deal but I must have bought the only one they had in stock because now they are listed as "Coming Soon"
    maxvaping.com

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    Well after having this for going on 5 days now I can officially say it has moved my other box mods to the "Backup" category.
    And after getting familiar with it I went back and re-read the entire thread!

    I want to thank Steve for all of the valuable information supplied here.

    I have been working on a theme to my liking, if anyone is interested I would be happy to share the theme or the images if wanted.

    *edit: not sure why the image is not clickable but here is a link to it:
    http://halffast.net/gadget/theme.png

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  6. gadget!

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    It's here!
    Loving the black.

    I know this is a long shot but I really want a Snake Skin battery cover.
    Tomorrow I will have a new Carbon Fiber cover and I already have a Smokey Brown cover and the black elephant on the mod (all for a black frame).
    I would trade any 2 of the three for a snake skin cover. [​IMG]

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  7. KGuardian

    KGuardian Silver Contributor Member For 2 Years

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    Not that it's a big deal, but the "TO" should have two O's in "TOO HOT" :D
     
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  8. gadget!

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    Good catch, thanks.

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  9. PhantomOp

    PhantomOp VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 1 Year

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    I'm 99% sure the Snakeskin variants are classified as "limited edition" and LV won't be selling the doors by themselves. You would have to get the whole mod to get the door covers. Unless --- you can find someone willing to give it up. ;)

    I just bought the "White / Gray Rat" variant from a VU member and got it delivered today. Now have both the Red and White as a pair.
    My wife already leached onto the red one as soon as this one hit my desk. :giggle:
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    Thank you, I realize that now.
    I listed the one I just bought in the hardware section for 110. Shipped.

    That's how bad I want the Snake skin

    I want the one you have in the bottom pic!

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  12. PhantomOp

    PhantomOp VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 1 Year

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    Yours should go fast. I saw your listing and you have it at the same price I snapped mine up at this week.
     
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    KGuardian Silver Contributor Member For 2 Years

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    Speaking of themes.... I found this one a while back and really like it. I think there were others where I downloaded this one, but don't recall exactly. Does anyone recognize this and know where I can find it again? If it doesn't load at full zoom, just click on it.

    DNA THEME
     
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    @KGuardian, It might be just me but I'm not seeing a screenshot or for that matter a message.
    I know what you asked because it came through my email. LOL
     
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    Yeah.....I tried attaching an image and it was blurry o_O I'm trying to figure out how to get a clear image that's large enough to read. I may post a link to it in a little while
     
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    Edited post #713 up there :)
     
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    Could it possibly be one of the themes in the escribe software?
    If you can't find it, I could duplicate it for you.

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    No, it wasn't a theme that was in escribe. I found it on some web site when I was searching for themes and like an idiot, I downloaded it and left the web site and I didn't bookmark the page. It's been a while since I did that.

    I already have the theme...I just wanted to revisit the site that I downloaded it from to check and see if there were other themes I'd like to try. Thanks for the offer though :)
     
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  19. PhantomOp

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    This what your looking for // or recognize it ?
    http://vapefirmware.com/firmware/dna200/dna200-themes/
    http://dna200-themes.de/themes/

    also -- pick through here
    https://forum.evolvapor.com/forum/23-themes-and-custom-screens/
     
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    These do look familiar. I probably had 15 browser tabs open the night I was looking for themes :D I will sift through these. I've already seen a couple of interesting things just looking for the last minute or two. Thank you for the links Phantom...
     
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  21. GorGon27

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    I just had a few questions about this.
    Is it physically larger than the Triade?
    Is it difficult to insert the batteries like the Triade?
    Does the paint peel off like the Triade?
    Otherwise I do not see why you would want a 250 running at 166. So I am assuming at least one of those questions has the correct answer :)
    Honestly, This looks nicer than most Custom's but If the quality is like the Triade I will pass.
    No insult intended, just 8 dead Triade's here.......

    Thanks
     
  22. PhantomOp

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    ? Physically Larger

    Triade Product Dimensions:
    • 88mm by 50mm by 40mm
    Therion Product Dimensions:
    • 90.5mm by 54mm by 27mm

    ? Difficult to insert batteries :: Depends. I've read where some people have torn the crap out of their batteries. However, I personally do not have an issue with either of my Therion devices, getting the batteries in / out. If you pay attention to the spring load contacts, you can easily insert the batteries safely, if your not just "jabbing" them in there like a gorilla on steroids.

    ? Does the paint peel off :: I have had my first Therion for 6-8 months now. If I compare it to my other mods (SMOK Alien, Hohm Slice, etc), this Therion is very sturdy "paint retaining" device (fingers still crossed). Not a scratch on it and it is treated no differently than any of my other devices. The SMOK devices, the paint just falls. The Hohm Slice, is starting to show the same signs.


    How have you gone through 8 LV/DNA devices? --- Curiosity is killing the cat here.

    Depending on when you purchased (them) and when LV changed their warranty policy ---
    You may have a 1YR warranty or the new 6 Month warranty.

    IMO --- Bullet #4 literally voids the warranty for every purchased LV device on the market. I mean come on -- who pays MSRP --- NO ONE!

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    Lost Vape's Repair Center information:
    Dimension Engineering LLC
    Attn: Evolv Returns
    Email: [email protected]
    Phone: 330-634-1430
    Address: 5171 Hudson Dr, Hudson ,OH 44236
     
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    Yes, They pulled #4 on me. They wanted me to Fax Receipts. Since I told them We need to have an understanding they WILL be repaired before I spend $20 to send them. I could not provide them for the reasons below. When Other people are a Dick/Bitch I do it back 5x harder. Man I went off like a Motherfucker at a Best Buy last night. Did not use one cuss word or raise my voice either. In that case I guess the head manager figured his time was not worth it and caved in. LV has the benefit of not being in your face. Like everyone had issues with Hana. I just showed up there and like what could they say?

    I swear on my Mother that this was not user error. The Bastards just up and croaked. See I thought they were so fine and I was getting them dirt cheap from a Wholesaler I know so I just kept buying them. Stupid, I know. The worst thing is one autofired and Caught fire. Talk about shitting ones drawers. That is a DNA. I have a feeling they are getting DNA B-stock or something but honestly that is just speculation.

    So get this, Truthfully how you look at it the Triade is easier to hold. The Therion is long. I just can't stop myself here like a Damn fool. So my buddy still has brand new DNA200 stock on Triades. I can get them for....I don't know if I should share this, but $45. For that screw it I will get at least another few Triades. The therion will run me a little more than twice that. He would be pissed at me but I did not call him out. So I do not see any issue with him. It just goes to show what they do not want you to know. These things cost the Wholesaler $30 and the store $50. Asshole B&M selling them for MSRP well at least you have a 180 Day Warranty LoL. Not to mention before it leaves China, they probably have $3USD in it. So actually the Wholesaler is even getting ripped off. However the end user is getting Buttfucked. On the other hand an American custom made by one Artisan for $650++ is worth it to me. For one thing most are no questions asked Lifetime Warranty. Of course they may not be in Business next year too. I guess it is where your values lie and if you have more money than brains! Even if a Triade lasts 6 Months it is cheaper at usual Internet pricing.

    Anyways, Thank you for all that Info.
     
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    I've had a Triade DNA250 for 9-10 months, and it has been my go-to vape all that time. No peeling paint or other issues here. I'm sorry to hear that your experience has been different.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
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  25. GorGon27

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    Yeah, I had real bad luck. I am trying the Therion. It looks nicer to me, apparently it actually is smaller, I do not need more than 90W. So My Homie is hooking me up with the Therion $10 under Wholesale. I cannot even say how much it is because I am going to start a problem. Let me just say, even on the internet these things are marked up 30-50%. Most of you have no choice if you want one. I just happen to have a longtime friend that is a Tobacco Wholesaler and of course now carries Ecig gear. He would actually be pissed for me doing this here but like I said I did not call him out. It is no big deal. If your friend owned a BMW dealership I am sure you would get hooked up just the same. Or any other item. I count myself lucky since so many died on me. At least I was able to curtail my losses. No receipt or Warranty of course.
     
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  26. Wingsfan0310

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    This might seem like an off the wall question but here goes. Until recently I was using Photobucket to host my pictures. It now seems like they require you to pay an insane amount of money so you can post them on a forum Like VU) :mad:. It seems that all my pics are now unavailable:headbang:. My question is, can someone recommend a good free photo hosting site? TIA

    Cheers,
    Steve
     
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    Use imgur but when you host a pic there set it to private, if you post vape related gear it doesn't go over very well. Make sure to download the app too so you can import the images on your phone easily

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    Thanks MJAG, I appreciate the heads up.. :slowclap: :cheers:

    Cheers,
    Steve
     
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    No problemo.

    Some of the responses I got when I posted them as public were hilarious though. Not kind but I always laugh that stuff off.

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    I bet you were going to post something nasty about me LoL!

    Well, I got a Therion 166. It easily appears to have much higher build quality than the Triade 250. I do not mean cosmetics. Right out of the box the paint seems better, door fits and removes better, terminals did not rip wrappers, nicer 510 Etc. It feels more solid, it feels smaller indeed, the whole package is just first class looking. This might give many custom's a run. Even the battery pull has LV on it. Plus the bottom has Designed in the UK, Made by Lost Vape. No give away China recycle and EU symbols. It is indeed nice. If it busts or the paint comes off I will report back.

    Now this might bring argument but it is true and for your life! Quite frankly all DNA250 should be limited to 166 mode if Primary cells are utilized. Everyone is going to use 3000mah cells and they are all 20A. You cannot safely pull 250W from 20A batteries no matter how many are used. Simple electronics theory. Most people will not use 250W but if they do better usea 2500mah 30A set of batteries. The 3x batteries means nothing. It is not additive in series or parallel. That is not 60A there! It is 20A. Not like this is going to change. I love the 2x18650 230W Mods. I would stay under 20A and 166W is about the safety zone. The chip was made for Lipo's but the Chinese put Primaries in. At least they added reverse polarity because that is an instant Kaboom. Over Amperage will not blow for a while as the cells weaken.
     
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    Mine has a Blue screen. I was not sure if all the new ones do. He just got this shipment Friday. Nice but nothing special. For an order of at least 600 Evolv will provide a Blue,Green,Yellow,Red screen. At no extra charge for that size minimum order.

    I got what I think is best looking. The black Elephant with black CF on Black body. Understated and elegant IMO. to me at least some of the designs are over the top. I mentioned somewhere else once that I doubt these skins are real. If it was in fact real Elephant I imagine the "door" would cost upwards of $50 alone. I also doubt it is real Cf given what was shipped with the Efusion models. Which was quite obviously some form of plastic. If these items are actually genuine on the Therion I stand corrected and amazed as well.

    The "skinny" door seems awakward compared to the Triade. However it is actually larger it certainly feels smaller. It is not lite. Therefore most likely Zamac and not Aluminum. I could also stand corrected on that. I would think a Triade would fit better in my hand but I prefer the Therion. It does not feel to me as long as it is.

    I am very satisfied. It is very nice and I think much nicer than the Triade but that is only my opinion. for what I paid if it lasts 2 months I will be satisfied. Of course I would expect it to reasonably last at least 3 years. Given my prior experience with LV I am doubting that. Although this seems to be better quality so perhaps this is the one I luck out with. I hope so. The quality could also just be a perception that they have created. So who knows. As I said I will be happy if I get a month but I am kind of expecting this to last longer than other LV products. Time will tell. As of right now I will say this is one sharp looking Mod. In fact, fancier than most custom's. Interestingly this does not come in as nice a box as the Triade but it is certainly not shabby. Of course the box hardly matters to me. Just pointing it out. For now I am fully satisfied. I like it much better than the Triade's but that is just a preference I suppose. I do not know if previous Therion's were this snazzy. Or even later ones for that matter. I am not sure if this is an even newer version of the 166. Or if the 166 was always like this. For that matter I do not know if the 75 and 133 are the same. Even if I had paid a regular price for this, notwithstanding that it lasted a year then I would be very pleased indeed. It looks the part for sure. Let's see if they have improved the quality or at least my bad luck takes a hike. Knowing others have encountered no problems with LV items. Without knowing how long it lasts I would highly recommend it as of now. Of course most people are going to pay about $149.00USD from a reputable US based seller.

    Okay, sorry I got carried away. I just hope this helps anyone sitting on the fence about it. I think to the best of my knowledge I have been honest and forthcoming.
     
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    It was designed in the UK ( I guess) but it's built in China.

    The Therion has been a very solid product for me. I have both a 133 and a 166. Build quality is the same, but the 133 does have those annoying doughnuts to try and prevent inserting the batteries in the wrong direction. As the frame and design is the same, I expect the 75 was the same. I'm waiting on a 166/250c to hopefully drop soon. As the LV 75c is again very similar, it's form factor/front button/screen is a bit different.

    I know you had some serious trouble with your Triade. I wouldn't paste that as a universal issue, as my Triade is coming up on maybe ~1 year, paint still fine, function fine. The only issue has been as a 200 board, it also has those annoying "mechanical reverse polarity protection" things in the battery sled which as cause some torn wraps. Not a biggie to rewrap.
     
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    Opinions wanted.
    I'm seriously considering buying a Gray Ostrich leg skin and doing my own "Limited Edition".

    I made this mock in Photoshop using a photo from the seller's item.
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    I think that will look sweet. If you do it, please post a pic of the finished cover. :cheers:

    Cheers,
    Steve
     
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    You probably already know this, but just in case here goes. You can buy a Grey Ostrich battery cover separately from Lost Vape here for $15.99 + shipping (free shipping if you spend $50)
    https://www.wnyvapes.com/products/lost-vape-therion-battery-door-black-frame?variant=40661196423
    [​IMG]
    Cheers,
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    Steve,
    I have seen those but I personally don't really care for them.
    I really like the gray rattlesnake and the one they call Dark Blossom.
    I ran across that Ostrich leg searching for rattlesnake skin. I bought the skin last night so we'll see.

    Besides, I'm intrigued with the fact that I will have a personalized one off.

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    That looks awesome!
     
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    That pic just makes it obvious these are not real skins. As I have said before usually these skins are expensive. Although they kill anything in China so it might be real and just cheap like everything else from there. At least I personally know what the markup on these are. Oh, BTW yeah I know it is made in China LoL.

    It seems the material above and below the batteries is much thicker than The Triade. It also appears to have a better 510. Just wait until it breaks and listen to me then HAHA.
     
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    Double post. Sorry
     
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    Ok, I'm curious.
    What is it about that pic that makes it obvious that the skins aren't real?


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    From what I have read the Triade used a physical battery protection that made it so the batteries could not be put in backwards. That would cause the battery wraps to tear when taking then out. This device doesn't have that mechanism.
    I couldn't agree more


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    The DNA200 didn't have reverse battery protection built in on the main board. From my understanding when it was being designed it was made for Lipos so reverse battery protection wasn't necessary. Along the way they decided to use 18650's as well but Evolv sent out a memo telling third party users of the chip to use a daughter board that provides reverse battery battery protection if the mod was being designed to use 18650's.

    Some companies like Hcigar used the board for their VT133's. Some like Lost Vape went with physical reverse battery protection (the rings).

    Fast forward to the DNA250 chip which included reverse battery protection making the daughter board or rings unnecessary. Neither the Triade 250 or the Therion 166 have the rings. I have both mods and don't have any problems with battery wraps being torn.

    Cheers,
    Steve
     
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    As I had said 250Watts and 20 Amp batteries do not really mix regardless of how many batteries there are. In the triade 3x20A is not 60A, it is still only 20A. Does anyone think the Chinese care about our safety? Per Evolv the board is designed for a Lipo and was never intended for 18650's but has been implemented against their will.

    The Therion is completely different. My Triade 250's(3 of the 250's) would bust my fingers and eat the wrappers no matter what I did. The therion they slide right in but I still prss down on them. In that case there is literally 1/8" between the battery and the conducter. It is not even making contact whatsoever at that point. The paint seems much better but time will tell. I would liken the Black paint job to a Pico. it is glossy and appears thick. Interestingly not only is my screen light blue, it has a different finish on the actual screen than any other DNA200/250 I have seen. It is kind of like an anti reflective coating some displays have. Even if it breaks at my price I will keep buying them until the next greatest thing comes along. I worried though if I ask him for a lot of them he may think I am selling them which will probably ruin our 25+ year Friendship. I figure that is easily solved by showing him the busted unit each time. Although I really hope that does not happen. This thing looks and feels really well built. The Triades did not even look to be on par with this level of quality. I have mostly custom 200/250's and this can nearly fit right in with them. My Triades not even close. He had just got this so perhaps a new batch they made improvements. I have no idea if the 166 was always this nice as I had never handled one before.

    So long as this does not break, it probably has the best fit and finish of any production Mod I have ever seen. Considering what I paid as of now I could not be more pleased with it. Now watch it break. I promise I will say how bad it sucks if and when it does fail LoL.
     
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    The current does not add but the voltage does. It's 6 of one half dozen of the other. 60 x 4.2 is the same as 12.6 x 20. I'm not sure what your point is. You are either adding the current in parallel or the voltage in series.

    Cheers,
    Steve

    Edit If you want to have 250 watts available for the whole run I'd suggest using 30 amp batteries (they do exist). Personally it's not an issue for me since I never dial up anywhere near that amount of power

    Edit 2 To take it a step further 166.7 watts for 2 cells is for all intensive purposes the same as 250 watts for 3 cells (83.35-83.33 watts per cell)
     
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    Stage 1 - Prep is done.
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    Ostrich leg skin expected Saturday.
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    You're welcome:cheers:. I've always received good service from them.

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    And so have I, in fact I should have mentioned this before but I purchased 2 battery cover from them.
    They shipped out fast and just as described.

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    I just wanted to relay Escribe now has Mac Beta. DNA 250 now available I hooked up my 166 Therion and used all your profiles for my mod. Thanks for that too.
     
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    I'm glad you like the Ecig file. I wasn't aware of the Mac Beta. Thanks for the heads up. I'm sure that will make Mac users happy campers! Looks like it's time for me to update the firmware thread. :cheers:

    Cheers,
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