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  1. KoblinV3

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    So lately I've been running claptons and I've noticed I get better flavor with lower wattages.

    For example I just threw in a hex core fused Clapton in my Hermetic (3mm 4.5 or 5.5-6 wrap can't remember) and it comes out to .21ohms.

    I previously would have run it at least 50w. Probably 55w. However after much experimenting with my dual coil RDAs and them tasting better at lower wattages, I tried running LOWER than what my Pulse X auto suggests for a wattage.

    It will suggest 50w by default. I tried 35w all the way up to 60w. It actually tastes best at 38w!

    I also like the fact that I can take huge long hits off of it and it will just taste better if anything.

    On the higher wattages I feel you can only take so long of a hit and it will get too toasty and then the flavor starts to blend together and get less nuanced. It just starts to taste worse after a certain number of second day IME at these wattages.

    I thought that at the very least I should be vaping at what the batt section of steam engine suggests (if you put in your resistance as a mech build) or bare minimum what my pulse X auto suggests for a wattage. I guess I'm just surprised because it goes against my previous thinking of what would result in the best and most complex flavor.

    I was curious as to whether anyone else has reached this conclusion.
     
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    I run my ARC Pico at 40w only when I am using a thick liquid like CBD, any other thinner liquids are fine at 30-35w...
     
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    I don’t know if I actually reached the conclusion but my daughter took a class in pharmacology & they did a research report & the conclusion was it is better for our health to stay in the 30ish watts. So I’ve always stayed in that range & flavors great for me.
     
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    I'm learning to turn mine down as well from what the mod says. Now that's using wattage. On the temp ones, I like anywhere between a 250 to a 350°F.
    The juice varies with each one, learned that also. Some do better higher and some lower. Every juice change or mod is varied here.
    If you turn down the wattage you'll certainly be able to draw much longer. Otherwise I feel you just cook it and it tastes kinda gross, just me. :)
     
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    I've always run at lower than most with my multi wire coils, fruits seem cleaner and brighter at the low end to me.
     
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    I have said it for a long time that many liquids taste better at lower wattage and I mostly fire my coils at 20-25% less than the recommended wattage. I compare it to cooking a steak. Does it taste better medium rare or well done? Your preference................
     
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    I'm in total agreement here- I'm running my profile right now with a OFRF mesh at 37.5 watts. The only reason I would run it higher is for bigger hits. Kind of pointless here at work when I'm trying to keep the clouds to a minimum
     
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    Yeah that's a good way to describe it. For me my juices taste cleaner around that lower wattage.

    The steak reference makes sense too. All too true. Yeah I've thought about the health aspects and I would definitely prefer to vaping at a lower wattage due to that reason.

    It was always just that I'm going to vape at whatever tastes best regardless of the temp. I'm glad it turned out to be a lower watt range though.

    Might have to get into TC vaping now. It just seems so involved lol. Every time I try it even on my DNA mods I'm like ugh it doesn't immediately taste better. And then I dread the thought of tweaking it to make it work correctly.

    Danbomb, bit off topic (idc tbh though lol) but does your mesh taste better than claptons? I'm trying to see if it will or not. I think I need less cotton in mine to make it taste better.
     
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    In my experience it depends on the E-Liquid bring used.

    Some liquids I get the best flavor at around 22 watts and others between 35 to 40 watts.
     
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    You do not need to have a DNA MOD to use TC Mode effectively. I use an old RX200S for TC all day everyday lately and all you need is the correct wattage for the coils you are using then set the temperature to high enough to keep from hitting temp protect.
     
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    This is so true. My sweetener dessert or bakery juices I run a few watts higher.
     
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    I find many Tobacco Blends like a higher wattage.
     
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    For myself tc offers no benefits at lower wattage. I quit messing with it. Replay is very nice though, you can bypass the tc board entirely.
     
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    I found a big benefit of using TC at lower wattages. Many think you should fire coils at MAX Wattage using TC because it will temp protect but you only need the right amount of wattage to ramp up fast and provide the hit you are seeking. The best benefit it absolutely crazy long coil life. Last coil in my Rafale firing at 60W & 460°F lasted over a month. Also hundreds of ML's pumped through it.
     
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    I ran tc at 380-400f. No benefit unless you like a warmer vape. I prefer a cooler hit.
     
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    I agree juice type is a factor on wattage for sure. I'm all over the place when I have a variable option. I am also running 3 unregulated rigs today-
    Hugo squeezer + Dead Rabbit with AVS SS aliens
    Hugo squeezer + Recurve with AVS SS Framed Staple
    VGOD tube + OFRF Gear RTA with included NI80 coil

    I can't say there is any clear winner flavor wise with any of these rigs- all is good. Even more off topic- I use short bursts at work with hot builds on mech mods to keep clouds under control
     
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    I think TC is good for any wattage. I love Replay for squonking, even for a mtl rda at 13 watts. Sometimes I'm a bit forgetful, did I squonk? did I not squonk? over? under? Fugetaboutit, the chip has you covered. I toggle over to the live puff screen, you can look at your last puff and answer all those questions once you've seen how the chip adjusts wattage.

    and yes, I always find myself running much lower wattage than recommended on steam engine or vape tool.
     
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    What wattage? I fire my Aster in TC at 60W and 360-380°F and such a cool vape in my humble opinion.
     
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    On my RX200S using the Pangu tank I fire at 50-55W max and 400-420 °F. Coils require finding the sweet spot.
     
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    All depends on the juice, high power I enjoy dessert like Ben-Yay and a strawberry milkshake juices I have. Now with fruity flavors like Mango or Pog are better with higher ohm.

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    What do consider high power though? I am curious because for some High power can be 12 watts.......... :giggle:
     
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    I'm a mech user so high power is around 0.11 - 0.15 ohms or a series Mod with 0.4 ohms build

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    I am kinda thinking that being a Mech User doesn't put you in the same category as a High Power vaper since you basically vape at Maximum Battery output all the time.
     
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    Incorrect, Mech's you adjust your builds for power.

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    When your not building to the upper most limits of your batteries like most of the posts I see from people who people like you say shouldn't be using Mechs~!
    :vino::vino:

    Edit: Still I sort of don't consider that low power more along the lines of max output for particular build. No regulating the output except for the build. Right?
     
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    Incorrect again, staying within the CDR of your batteries you're fine.

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    I don't think so, since most mech users build to the limits and even with a High Ohm build battery is still putting out whatever it can discharge for the build. So basically Maxing it out. Even if it is in the scope of the CDR still whatever it can release it does............
     
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    And yet again another pleasant thread is less pleasant.
     
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    Why do you say that? Two people having a discussion while remaining civil is all I see. In mature individuals a difference of opinion doesn't mean acting like assholes.
     
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    Again it all comes down to the build, example a 0.3 build on the HOG well with the CDR is equivalent to well over 200 watts on a regulated mod. That's pretty high power ;)

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    Yeah having difference of opinions and a civil discussion, nothing wrong with it.

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    I would not consider that low wattage. :vino:
     
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    Never implied it was, I said high power.

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    Don't mind me buddy, it is a low wattage better flavor thread.
     
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    And I stated that it's all about the juice if you look at my first post. ;)

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    Like I have said many times I have e-Liquids that like more or less power depending on the tank and even the MOD. A 3 cell versus a single cell is a perfect example.
     
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    Funny thing is after vaping my Sangria this afternoon, the vape was getting weak so I upped the wattage 5 Watts for better clouds and flavor. Start Low and work your way Up. Always works for me and I hope it helps others.
     
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    And as I stated fruity juices I vape on higher ohm coils, less power. Like around 0.35 on a tube mod. That would be equivalent to around 40W on a regulated mod.

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    As long as it works for you~!
     
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    For me the steak reference was on point. I like a rare one vs torched. Lol.

    I got into just basic TC and love it. Just be careful to not use Kanthal. I run SS so much since I go from wattage to temp. I love Kanthal but must remember what build is on what at times. Read up on it then start out very low and build up to what you enjoy. I've found my juices really coming alive on that control if I can't get the flavor going on wattage. Each juice will be different, one mod might be on watts and the other temp. Doing that now.

    On the curves, I tried and just didn't apply myself. Eh, on the what initial watt to the ending wattage. Nobody really helps you do an initial setup either, I learned that fast. When I tried my mod shutdown too fast for my liking and I just gave up. Now back to the TC to where it just sits there, OMG! I cannot live without it on some flavors. Takes my baked good blends and dissects every different flavor within them. My chocolate mint has two levels vs one. New juice from vape mail yesterday and I changed up ASAP on that one. Some juice is just good on watt...Some are muted on watt. Trial and error here. My temps range from about 240 (250) to about 350. One juice really tastes awesome on a 500°F. Again each can be different but start low and build up on each one. Your coils love the temp vs wattage as well.
    Hope this helps and try it out if you can this evening. Just have a safe wire running though. :)
     
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    The TC MOD's I use switch to wattage mode if a coil not capable of TC is installed. :vino:
     
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    That is what is known as finding the sweet spot~! Once you get more experienced with your personal equipment you will find you can get the same vape and flavor no mater which one of your Mods/Tanks you are using. I found out in the beginning it wasn't the device it was how you use it. Good Luck and Vape On safely............
     
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    I'll agree with you on the sweet spot. I've tried and this is my second time around. Unfortunately. Just the last time around I never messed around nor had the time to deal with any other settings vs just wattage. I vaped, built and went about my way. This time I've actually applied myself. Starting out with temp control last week after vaping again for 3.5 months. Again, time issue with me. Just started back building, dripping and not paying for coils only two weeks ago as well. I do know lower watts have always been great. Dripping as well. New to me are these builds plus newer chips.

    I'll also agree that on some mods they will kick you out but mine so far will keep going on temp control. Just wanted to add to be careful on wire since mine will run Kanthal on temp like SS etc. I do have new mods. My old Hana mods I've yet to try since I need new adapters at the moment. Not sure what the DNA chip in those do on temp.

    Great to point that out on the sweet spot since we're all trying to find it here. :)
     
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    Temperature control IMO boils down to the right wattage for your coils and the correct temperature next. You want a fast ramp up but not hit temp protect too soon. And of course air flow is key as it cools the coils. Once you find the sweet spot it is such a pleasurable constant perfect vape. When I first got into TC I had a bunch of wonderful people trying to help, but leading me into TCR and so many other directions which wasn't the issue. Turned out it was what the exotic coils I was using were made of and TC requires it being set for correct metal. If you are using a TiNi coil what do you use? Hmmmmmmmmmmm
     
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    Do you think my OMNI board on my USV Mach OM3 would suffice for TC? The review on vaping with vic says the newer VO chips (idk wtf chip that is lol) are pretty good for temp control.

    Here's the review at 12:22 seconds in for TC:



    The only thing that bugs me about that review is he says there's darkening on the cotton at 420 degrees F. Now I can't remember what temperature it is (thought it was 420?) but if that was say a DNA chip, would there not have been that darkening on the cotton? I realize this is very perfectionistic but that's the way I am.

    If the DNA chip will allow me to do TC without darkening (I realize this is not burning) my cotton I'd rather just get a new DNA squonk mod. I've got two DNA box mods but I don't have a squonker since I haven't gotten into TC ... YET. Probably going to start getting into it once my Kylin V2 and Paranormal 250C come in.

    Then idk a single battery rebel DNA squonk box or something. I imagine the topside squonk mod I'm getting in is garbage for TC but I haven't looked into it yet.
     
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    Sorry I casn't help with that I never heard of that board that I remember.
     
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    Thanks anyway. Answer me this then. Do you think if I was using TC on a DNA mod that it would darken the cotton at 420f if I kept hitting it?

    I thought TC would prevent/eliminate this (besides the fact that it will happen over time but I mean like short term). Maybe I misunderstood the capabilities of TC though.
     
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    Even when using TC Mode if you are firing over the wattage for the coil it can burn the cotton because it gets too hot too fast. Plus depending on your e-Liquid that normally is what darkens the cotton on the outside but if it has a high sweeter content and caramelizes on the coil wire that can seep into the cotton and darken also. There are many things that can cause you e-Liquids to get dark and hence the cotton. Good Luck
     
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    One more thought I would like to mention. Even when using TC Mode the old adage applies. Start Low and work you way up.
     
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    Alright will keep that in mind. Assuming you do use the proper wattage though... you shouldn't get browning at 420f or below even if you run it dry, right?

    Btw I did notice that different juices require different wattages. At my .19ohm Clapton build (used to be .21 but it settled in at .19) the lowest i go is 39w and the highest is 50w which is what my pulse x recommends for that resistance.

    It's weird though I can get like hardly any flavor at 37w and then the best flavor at 39w. It's crazy how much a difference just a few watts can make!
     

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