Mech mod coil build question

[Mykreign]

i just got my first mech mod for Christmas and I'm not getting the vapor production I'd like to.

My normal set up is a rx200 with a griffin build at .2 ohms (22g A1, 8 wrap, 3.5mm) running at 80 watts.

Mech mod is a rig v2 hybrid with a Samsung 25R. I wanted to be on the safe side with my first build so I did a .4 ohm build (24g A1, 8 wrap, 3mm). I know that's only running at 44 watts. Horrible ramp time.

So my question is, can I do anything to get more vapor production besides lowering my ohms?

 

[Yamensaleh]

Try .2 ohm
It is safe and great
My current ohm is .17 and it is safe for such battery ( I am using sony vtc 5)
As i know the 25r is 30amp battery, if yes then yes you are safe even with .17 ohm
The way that the mech mod is hitting is unique, enjoy bro


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[Mykreign]

What's your coil build?

 

[Yamensaleh]

22g kanthal (I like simple builds) 6 wraps on 3mm diameter


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[Mykreign]

Thanks man, I will try that but I'm still curious, is there anything u can do besides lowering ohms?

 

[Yamensaleh]

As I know there is nothing to do, 4.2 volts is weak to fire such ohm




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[whiteowl84]

Do parallel runs of 28g or 26g so you can get a lower resistance.

 

[Yamensaleh]

Yes, if you can do parallel go for it, it is good but a little bit worm to hot vape


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[Mykreign]

I've never built parallel coils but just did research on them and they have me excited.

Can I build them with 24g wire? That's the thinnest wire I have.

 

[Yamensaleh]

Yes you can, calculate your ohm normally for this one, parallel will not change the resistance of the wire


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[whiteowl84]

Look on steam-engine.org and find out what you need. Wrap one coil with a single strand and lay your next strand between the leg and first wrap. Just keep wrapping it in that groove.
Since it's fatter wire you'll need several wraps to get up to 0.2 but you'll definitely have a lower mass doing parallel runs so it's better than where you're at now.

 

[midknight420]

Parallel 24g will be VERY low resistance. You will need quite a few wraps to get much resistance. I would suggest maybe 24g paralleled with 28g. The 28g will ramp up faster and make the 24g heat up faster in the process.

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[Mykreign]

Thanks for all the help guys. I just saw a video where the guy used 24g 4 wrap and it was .25 ohms. Prly gonna try that

 

[Mykreign]

So I did it. 24g, 4 wrap parallel, 3mm. Came in at .21 ohms and omg, this changed my life lol. Thanks all!

 

[Diescum88]

So I did it. 24g, 4 wrap parallel, 3mm. Came in at .21 ohms and omg, this changed my life lol. Thanks all!

Looks legit dude I love my rig v2 clone, might have to try that build

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[midknight420]

Just did an 8 wrap 3mm id 24g ss316l. Ohms out at .1Ω. It's crazy in my titan mech tube mod.

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[Mykreign]

Midnight what battery do u have with a build that low?

 

[Mykreign]

Also, a noob question. I've only built with kanthal. What does stainless do? I know it's used for temp control on regulated mods but not sure how it works with a mech.


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[CrazyChef]

MUCH quicker ramp up.
I like using 2x28/38 SS316L fused Claptons for my single battery mechs.

 

[Mykreign]

Looks legit dude I love my rig v2 clone, might have to try that build

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You should man. I couldn't get a build that would ramp quick enough for my liking. This heats up as soon as u fire it


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[Diescum88]

You should man. I couldn't get a build that would ramp quick enough for my liking. This heats up as soon as u fire it


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Did you only do a single coil or dual?

You should man. I couldn't get a build that would ramp quick enough for my liking. This heats up as soon as u fire it


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[Diescum88]

Also, a noob question. I've only built with kanthal. What does stainless do? I know it's used for temp control on regulated mods but not sure how it works with a mech.


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You can use ss on a mech, it's a beautiful thing, works for straight power mode or tc. Ramp up time is quick too.

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[Mykreign]

Single coil. I believe if you used two, it would cut your ohms in half?


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[midknight420]

Single coil. I believe if you used two, it would cut your ohms in half?


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Yes, dual coil cuts ohms by half.

I'm using an hg2. And I have some 25r's too.

Ss it's a naturally lower resistance wire, so you have to take care when building. It has a nice clean flavor though. I wish I had some kanthal to play with, but unfortunately, atm all I have right now are ss 24 and 29g ss and some 26/32g kanthal clapton wire.

When I order my wire after tax return time I'll be trying my hand at a fused clapton. I can't wait.

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[Mykreign]

Nice man. I've never tried building anything but standard coils with kanthal.

This is my first mech so I'm a little cautious going too low with a 25r


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[midknight420]

Part of it depends on wattage too. Fortunately, a single battery mech won't put it an incredible amount of wattage

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[Mykreign]

Yeah I learned that quick lol. I thought it'd flow my regular set up out of the water but u can't get much vapor unless u build crazy coils. So that's something I'll have to learn. The parallel coil was definitely better though


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[midknight420]

Yeah I learned that quick lol. I thought it'd flow my regular set up out of the water but u can't get much vapor unless u build crazy coils. So that's something I'll have to learn. The parallel coil was definitely better though


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You can also try a higher gauge wire to parallel with like a 24/28g parallel. That will raise your ohms a bit and also give you an even faster ramp up time too.

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[Mykreign]

I'll have to try that. I need some wire though. I only have 22 and 24


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[midknight420]

On a regulated mod, you might try a 2x24g twisted coil too. That's a pretty crazy cloud machine too.

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[Mykreign]

My build now is .21 ohms and I don't think this better can handle anything much lower


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[Mykreign]

On a regulated mod, you might try a 2x24g twisted coil too. That's a pretty crazy cloud machine too.

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U need a drill for that right?



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[gopher_byrd]

Try .2 ohm
It is safe and great
My current ohm is .17 and it is safe for such battery ( I am using sony vtc 5)
As i know the 25r is 30amp battery, if yes then yes you are safe even with .17 ohm
The way that the mech mod is hitting is unique, enjoy bro


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Wrong!!! Both the Sony VTC5 and the Samsung 25R are rated at 20 Amps as tested by Mooch. You should be OK with the 0.21 build using the 25R, but it is drawing 20 Amps. OP, I am concerned with this being a hybrid for your first mech. This is an advanced user device. Be very sure the 510 positive pin on the atty is sticking out otherwise this is an accident waiting to happen.

 

[midknight420]

It is faster, but you can twist with a pen and a pair of pliers as well.

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[Mykreign]

I'm not using an atty with a 510 pin. Believe me, I've done my research


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[midknight420]

Wrong!!! Both the Sony VTC5 and the Samsung 25R are rated at 20 Amps as tested by Mooch. You should be OK with the 0.21 build using the 25R, but it is drawing 20 Amps. OP, I am concerned with this being a hybrid for your first mech. This is an advanced user device. Be very sure the 510 positive pin on the atty is sticking out otherwise this is an accident waiting to happen.

Oh thank you. I missed that this was a hybrid mech mod. Yes. Make sure that the pin is sticking out alot on your atty. Safety is key.

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[midknight420]

I'm not using an atty with a 510 pin. Believe me, I've done my research


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Every atty has a 510 pin. That's the screw at the bottom of the atty.

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[Mykreign]

Right but it's not a threaded or adjustable 510


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[midknight420]

Right, how far does it stick out?

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[Mykreign]

I'll take a picture when I get home. It's fail proof


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[Mykreign]

found this online. Same thing just different color


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[midknight420]

Oh a wait, it's a rig pig. It's designed for its own atty. No, you'll be fine. I had a brain fart LOL

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[Mykreign]

Haha no worries. Good looking out


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[midknight420]

Anytime brother. Just making sure we are all safe here

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[Diescum88]

Lol yeah the roughneck is specifically made for it. Good setup too, I l8ke it enough to consider forking out the cash for a authentic once tax money is in..if I wasn't thinking of getting a dual 18650 squonker .
If you wanna be able to build low safely I recommend the LG HB6's their only 1500mah but are rated 30amp and if I remember correctly mooch's tests showed them as true 30 amps maybe even 32 (I gotta look so don't quote me on that part lol)

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[Mykreign]

I was lucky enough to get an authentic for Christmas. I like it so far but it does spit sometimes. Might try moving my coil up but then it'll be over the air hole


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[Mykreign]

this is the only pic I have atm


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[SirRichardRear]

Try .2 ohm
It is safe and great
My current ohm is .17 and it is safe for such battery ( I am using sony vtc 5)
As i know the 25r is 30amp battery, if yes then yes you are safe even with .17 ohm
The way that the mech mod is hitting is unique, enjoy bro


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.21 is the absolute lowest for that battery so I'd say .25 to be safe
4.2 volts and it's a 20 amp battery (not a 30 amp) at .25 it'll be about 70 watts and 17 amps. more then safe and will increase ramp up
at .17 there are only 2 safe batteries sony VCT5a (not the 5 you are over stressing your batteries and damaging them) and the LG HB6

 

[CrazyChef]

at .17 there are only 2 safe batteries sony VCT5a (not the 5 you are over stressing your batteries and damaging them) and the LG HB6

I would also trust the Samsung 25Rs with that. Yes, it's only rated 20 amps CDR, but they also have an extremely resilient pulse rating.

 

[SirRichardRear]

I would also trust the Samsung 25Rs with that. Yes, it's only rated 20 amps CDR, but they also have an extremely resilient pulse rating.

You are also very experienced. I'd like to err on the side of safety when people come asking for advice. You already know what you are doing, not everyone does.