Mount Baker Discontinues 100 Flavors

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  1. vaperature

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    Not sure if anyone posted about this but Mount Baker Vapor has gone completely nuts. It has discontinued about 100 flavors because it expects impending regulations to pass, including my favorite flavor Kiwi.

    http://blog.mbvwholesale.com/?p=99

    Couldn't they wait to see if the regulations actually pass or maybe even set up an office somewhere outside of Washington rather than discontinue half their freakin' variety? This reminds me of when they went all crazy over the cinnamon scare and stopped selling anything with cinnamon in it.
     
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    It's actually more like 175 flavors.
     
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    Sucks they cancelled ur favorite flavor.. but I assume most of these were shit flavors anyways knowing MBV"s selection.. it honestly needed to be done in preparation for the regulations, and they can't wait for the regulations to pass because if they haven't already done it, they will most likely get taxed out the ass - better to play it safe imo
     
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    That sucks!

    So many tasty flavors have to go before their time:(
     
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    These are flavorings and not juices, right?
     
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    Sounds like it is both, because they sell both. Wow! What a list! I can't believe they did this prior to any regulation, unless they have inside info. Lots of these flavors are household names, while others I can imagine would be slow sellers. Unbelievable! :(
     
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    What have they heard that we haven't hmmmm
     
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    No juices
     
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    I think you need the flavorings to make the juice no? :D
     
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    Well, the link refers to "flavors", just an assumption on my part because of wording. But the juices go by the same names, that's what made me wonder.
     
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    Interesting...
     
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    Thanks guys.. blogged this situation.
     
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    This is why we all need to be proactive and let our representatives know how we feel, rather than sitting around and expecting other people to do the boring activism stuff.
     
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    My brother feels the same...he lives in Bellingham

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    That's pretty wild. Quite a lot of product to stop selling, even despite them having so many juices. The writing is on the wall when stuff such as this is beginning. The sky isn't falling, I didn't even order from them, but I'm curious to see how this will affect prices and possibly other companies in the future. Thanks for posting.
     
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    WTF??? A Lot of those flavors are what I BLEND with. Some of them are very basic base flavors. Are they just caving into politics? These are just flavorings. Not only is this short sighted on their part, but it will affect DIY'ers big time. This is not good, not good at all.
     
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    I am glad I live in Tennessee. We still have some freedom here. I took a trip to California recently and could not believe how bad it is. I was on Venice beach and could smell ***in the air almost constantly. But in an outdoor restaurant with no one else there I could not vape. So I stood just outside the roped off area for the restaurant and blew clouds into it. Ha ha. What a crock. I vape all over the place in Tennessee and as long as I am not blowing gigantic clouds and am respectful of others, no one says a word.
     
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    My brother lives in Bellingham WA..
    He is worried about the 95% tax his governor is trying to pass on all vaping gear and ejuice..and I thought CA was bad where I live..lol

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    Isn't ECX from Washington as well?

    Maybe MFS just wants to hand over business to the competition.

    What do you think of all this @Donovan (ECX Flavor Lab) ?
     
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    They certainly are in Washington, which leads me to wonder if ECX won't soon be on their coat tails. :(
    And Tennessee isn't that bad right now and hope they're the usual "slow" to bow down to conformities. There are already a few places here that expect me to vape amongst the smokers, but not by law, by personal business rules. In those cases I just don't patronize those establishments any more.
    I was going to start ordering two bottles of nicotine every month to stock my freezer and keep in line with my budget. I guess it will be a bottle per week now, just in case....
     
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    They are dropping more than half their products. For example, there are at least thirty fruit flavors on the list that they have discontinued, but they are only continuing to offer 25 fruit flavors at their website.
     
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    Well, we have a TN organization dedicated to defending vaping in our state and all the local vape shops typically go to all the meetings with government on any ecig or ejuice related bills. So far we have been able to shoot down all the negative bills here and the government is starting to listen to us. Fortunately, we have a serious presence here which helps because the more people here vape, the more voters vape. So the politicians know if they go against us, they WILL lose votes. We have a local group just in the knoxville area that was over 3,000 members strong until some idiot had to ruin it and it got somehow deleted off of facebook. But the moral of the story is, if we had 3,000 members who vape, that is probably only a small percentage considering a lot of people vape and never joined the group. The vape shops in our area will not sit quietly and let government squash their dreams. They will FIGHT for our freedom to do something that is not harmful to anyone. :)

    CV :)
     
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    you might want to find a spot here on the forum to your organization for others to find and look over, @Chainvapor :)
    could just help others out too with this..
     
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    That does ease my mind some. I'm in Tennessee as well - Sevierville- and I know that vape shops are popping up like dandelions. I'll cheer them on any way I can!


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    First time posing here, but this is a shame. I started vapeing when there were only cig a likes and a small selection of juices available. I gave up on it because it was to hard to get juice and quit the old analog crap. Now that I am back to vapwing and can find whatever juice I would ever want they want to take it away...
     
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    I don't know but I just received another call to action by casaa and they're asking for a lot of info from us. A full page letter to the FDA with posts and threads containing pics, vids, etc. Anything that will help.
     
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    I know where Sevierville is :) lol pretty county side over there..
     
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    Yeah, we're about ten miles away from the "tourist sector" in Wears Valley. Very quiet up here and a gorgeous mountain view soon as you step off the porch.


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    Sorry for that long ass post but I wanted everyone to see it. Get what I mean? It's a lot of work and I know I would need some help putting it all together. Maybe since the mods are always perusing the threads they could pick out and post links to the relevant ones?
     
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    I'm thinking they are pulling back from the market, possibly getting ready to spin down, or as Vaperature postulated, move somewhere less hostile to commerce. I think vapers in Washington state need to get vocal and let the politicians know that they will be losing votes, and possibly their cushy fat cat jobs over shit like a 95% tax on juice and vaping products. Big Tobacco execs must be salivating like rabid dogs over the prospect of the tax rape of the vaping industry in Washington state.
     
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    You very well may be correct. I know they're also selling off authentic Russian 91% 2's for around $45 right now. Maybe they're slimming inventory, in case they need to either move, or just move on and shut down. Good points.
     
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    $45 for Russian V2's?
     
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    Yeah, I'm thinking its also that the Kayfun V4 makes the Russian, even V2, antiquated. Good price for a tried and true authentic atty, though.
     
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    Writing has been on the wall for a while now, especially given the way our political system has been allowed, and is actually being encouraged by the voting majority to grow to into every facet of our lives. :(
     
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    Is MBV a member of AEMSA? This reminds me of the pre-emptive step that Virgin Vapor took a few months back, at the advice of AEMSA. Is the regulation really that close or is this more of a case of juice vendors wanting to protect themselves in case the shoe drops?
     
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    But really if your buying from MBV you could easily make every flavor they offer go to Flavor West's Website and pick the flavorings that your familiar with from mbv and make it yourself>
     
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    i see it as both.. for the price to get juice and mods approved.. i believe everything will go black market..
    there is no getting around it.. the average mom and pop (or just mom) will not be able to afford the cost ..
    and yeah it means more bad juice/mod makers.. but for those that you know will do good.. keep supporting them..

    it's the only right thing to do..
     
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    At the worst, I think non nicotine juice will be sold, and a resurgence of mechs might occur. Ship a mech with a 510 flashlight connection, and it's a fucking flashlight. Those connections exist and are cheap. I truly think mechs are going nowhere, there's just no way they can ban them.

    Now, a temperature controlled or even no temp controlled 100+ watt box might be difficult to skirt by the rules. However, "water pipes, and glass pipes for tobacco...", yeah, they've been sold forever, with a sign on the wall stating that certain words, I.e. Reality, will get you kicked out. If they can get away with that in B&Ms across the country, especially online might just be fine with clever wording. We shall see. Hey, you might need a temperature and wattage controlled flashlight? Right? That one will depend on how they come down on manufacturers, and with YIHI supplying some of the best chips, and companies like Sigelei and P4Y being in China, aside from blocking shipments at the ports they might be fine. I do remember back in the Njoy cig a like days, they were attempting to stop shipments at the ports. I think that was the first major attack, but I fell away from vaping for a couple years soon after.
     
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    But the cigarette business still thrives.....I do NOT understand....
     
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    This is something that online and local retailers have to deal with almost a daily basis now. Every morning I get google alerts, and every morning there's a new proposed tax or regulation on ecigs. When the FDA deeming regulations were sent down in April, I personally thought that is all we have to worry about.

    It seems now that the state level and even city level's are making their own regulations outside of the FDA. Most of these bills that have been proposed have not made it very far but it unfortunately seems the one in Washington will pass. I only say this as I cannot imagine MBV slimming their business down if they did not think this would pass.

    If this passes in Washington and the 95% Tax is imposed, I wonder what this does to MBV. Naturally I would think the tax would only apply to customers in Washington. Personally, I would unfortunately have to just move my business to another state.
     
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    Yeah. not only MBV but what will that 95% tax do to ProVape? Can you imagine paying over $500 for a Provari?
    Wow.. Lol

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    Yeah I'm very interested to see how this is going to work. Normally you do not have to pay taxes for out of state transactions online. But for the citizens of Washington state, they'd be screwed. Why would they buy online from a store in Washington, or even go to their local B&M if there was a 95% tax. They wouldn't they order online from someone else.

    I've thought about this a lot, and I'm in it for the long haul. I'm very comfortable here with my wife in Austin, TX but if we have to move because of dumb tax laws that are passed by the local state government because it hurts our business its a no brainer. That would be very unfortunate.
     
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    I've thought of that too, all the big businesses such as MBV that would have a choice between moving or going under.
     
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    Or... under..ground...
     
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    Well, this issue is more complicated as Mt Baker is in Washington state. The state itself is attempting to bring in regulations as is the fda. We really cant tell what they are reacting to. :( As far as the confusion over juice or diy, juice is usually called a flavor, while diy is usually called flavoring.
     

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