My experience

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  1. Mattie

    Mattie New Member

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    My wife and I tried switching from cigarettes to vaping.

    After about 2 years and probaby $5000 dollars spent on batterys, kits, coils and juice (not counting the cost and time to drive to these rudely run local vaping atores) she came down with bronchitus and pneumonia. She spent a week in the hospital and had always claimed it was the e-cigs making her sick.

    I felt a bit guilty because I was the one who first saw these as a safe smoking alternative and encouraged her to switch.

    On.my side during the same time frame (2 years) I started getting a chronic running.nose, especially while I slept. I sleep on one side or the other. One morning after.months of dealing with this I awoke with a clogged ear canal and had loss of hearing in my right ear. At this time, my wife has stopped all vaping and was feeling fine, unfortunately, back to smoking cigarettes. I went to my doctor and he referred me to a ENT specialust. I made three visits to this expert and he could not solve or pinpoint my chronic running nose. My ear problem had slowly gotten somewhat better but was constantly ringing and hearing loss. MY wife kept insisting that my.problem was the vaping but I just could not believe it could be because I enjoyed vaping.

    I stopped vaping and after a week all my symptoms disappeared. I had told my ENT that I caped but apparantly he didn't think either that there could be a connection between the vaping and.my health issues.
    I also started to develop what seemed to be emphasyma type issue (scorched lungs) if I even took just a very small puff off of a e cig. With that said I was ok again if I smoked regular cigarettes. Just really wierd things were happening.

    That was 4 years ago. To this day I still cannot inhale any vaping device or juice without it sending.me into a coughing fit.
    After my experience, I went back to traditional tabacco cigarettes for another 2 years before quitting with the aid of nicotine lozenges and gum.

    I am smoke free and vape free.and dont have to worry about the pain and costs of cigarettes or vaping.

    Personally, I think the burning coil or the PG which is the main inge diet in antifreeze where the culprits.

    Just my.honest opinion and experience.
    Maybe this could help others that.might have experienced the same issues.
    Thank you for reading
     
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    Jesus wept....antifreeze...lol
     
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    You know, I was looking up antifreeze and glycol again, but I found that propylene glycol Is toxic in large enough amounts, even if ingested orally, and my argument that it's found in food is really apples to oranges since I don't literally inhale food.

    Then I was gonna say "water is in antifreeze," but we really shouldn't inhale water, either, so...nevermind :question:
     
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    So "Mattie".. hmm I don't know any men named Mattie, that is normally a girl's name.. short for Matilda!
    Lemme get this straight.. 4 yrs ago, you tried to vape for 2 years, you and your wife.

    After 5k in products, you and her, him and her? got really sick and went back to smoking and using big pharma's happy pills, right??
    It took you this long to find this forum and make 1 post about this? what?
    You kept spending $... but never asked what to change to fix your problems?

    Can I interest you in some purses, name brand.. how about some ties, or protein shakes? French fries?

    If you are that guilable to come up and first post is like this.. yeah.. for us to believe you did all that.. mhmm

    Go home to big pharma and tell them you tried to con people here.. It didn't work!

    Thanks for the midnight laugh tho! Keep it real!

    I doubt you will make post #2... but if you do.. good luck.. :)
     
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    Stick with the cigs, it's the only way to go....!!
     
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    I sure hope none of your doctors gave either of you inhalers for your issues, seeing as PG is one of the main ingredients in those.
     
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    I am aware this was a drive by shit post but it makes one wonder who falls for it?

    1. Why join a forum that is pro vaping if you quit vaping and had a horrible experience. What are you hoping to gain? If you still have your 5K in gear, will make you a hell of a deal to take it off your hand.
    2. Why wouldn't a person start using the process of logical deduction and figure out what is causing all of these weird ailments? If my nose ran like a 2 year old, my body was breaking out in shingles and i was losing my hearing. I would invest some time into figuring that shit out. Of course I would assume the obvious like my wife poisoning me and make it down to vaping last, but I would be in constant search of answers until I had them. There is 0 chance in hell I would just sit there and let it happen.
    3. What is the OP looking to solve by sharing this Phillip Morris sponsored post? Sympathy? Caution?

    I would like to think the OP is being real and we get to experience some strange element of darwinism. I wonder if he/she cant respond because the significant other poisoned him/her to death?
     
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    There's something really important to consider: Big Tobacco DELIBERATELY ADDS ingredients to cigarette "tobacco" (floor sweepings in tobacco plants!) to make the smoke FEEL less irritating. Not BE less irritating... FEEL less irritating. So you smoke for years and years and decades, going, ahh these aren't so bad... then one day your doc tells you that you have cancer. Or emphysema (I wish folks would use their fucking spellcheck on that word, EMPHYSEMA), which is either worse or nearly as bad, depending on whether you want a short painful death or a long painful death.

    There are no topical anesthetics in vapor. So, when you quit smoking, you stop taking in those topical anesthetics that are in cigarettes; you start coughing up all that shit you've been inhaling all these years, and that's not pleasant at all. Then, your lungs are still damaged, but because you don't have all those topical anesthetics in there anymore, you feel the damage, and you feel any new irritant that you might inhale... such as anything in the vapor that perhaps disagrees with your system, since vaping is NOT one-size-fits-all.

    Then, you come here, and tell all of us who've been vaping for YEARS quite successfully, how evil vaping is. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Go on back to smoking; the human race needs less proto-humans like you.

    Andria
     
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    He may just be sharing his experience in case other vapers begin having similar issues. I have had issues (not so severe) and it took me a few weeks to finally admit it was vaping related (LNW nicotine salts making me cough, or high nicotine MTL vaping causing a tight chest). It's easy FOR ME to overlook vaping as a potential issue because I love it so much.
     
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    I don't know. The post is too weird on its own. Maybe the person is for real and I am just too jaded on people, maybe it was a Rothschild or a plant. Who knows?

    Just always find it bizarre and it happens in any kind of forum. Some person pops up with these weird ass experiences almost no one else has or has ever heard of or are trying to get someone to help them do something illegal or whatever. People start in with some skepticism and find out the whole thing is BS.


    Trust but verify.
     
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    I've had a lot of issues, too -- anything over 15% VG makes me completely unable to breathe, for instance, which you have to admit is pretty damn weird -- lots of folks have issues with high-VG, but not to that extreme. Then there's the very-puzzling feet and lower-leg edema I started suffering after I'd been vaping a couple of months -- I couldn't see HOW it was related to vaping, but I was pretty sure it was, especially since the 4 days I went without any vaping, after my appendectomy, the edema went away, but came right back as soon as I started vaping again. That turned out to be an exacerbation of my chronic dehydration problems so severe that it seriously screwed up my electrolytes, and the only way I could fix it was to decrease my caffeine intake by 80%, my salt intake by at least 50%, and start drinking coconut water every day. So I did that... but at no time did I even THINK that going back to smoking was in ANY way a good idea, not even when it became clear that as a vaping non-smoking asthmatic, I was going to have to start using Advair daily, though I'd never needed it, when I smoked -- probably thanks to those topical anesthetics, and also thx to the bronchodilators in commercial cigarettes.

    People who really want for vaping to work to relieve them of their cigarette addiction, will FIND or MAKE a way to make it work -- even if it requires WTA to totally relieve the cravings. Those who really want to keep smoking, will manufacture all sorts of idiocy to give themselves a good excuse to return to or keep smoking. The brain wants what it wants, and it is a very good enabler in finding all these stupid excuses why continuing to use a deadly product is a good idea. That doesn't actually make it a good idea.

    Andria
     
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    Vaping is not for everyone as it is presented.
    However if one works at it it can usually be made to work.

    For myself. Some chemical (s) in most commercial vape juice causes me severe oral, throat and lung irritation.
    This may happen to others in a lesser degree?
    Also any juice twith over 60% VG causes me to hack up VG.

    Doc says lungs in good shape and no copd, asthma, etc issues.

    I went to DIY within 1 month after switching to vaping because of the above issues.
    I had only found 1 elcheapo chinese gas station ejuice that I could vape.
    I toss about 3/4 of the flavorings I try because of above stated issues.
    And vape 50/50 PG/VG.
    No issues now and vaping over 3 years.
    And cost? I was paying about $3.50/pack for cigs and smoking 1.5 packs per day.
    I have spent no more than 1/3 on vaping as I would have spent on smoking and have about 30 mods and tanks and attys.
    Enough Nicotine in the freezer to last the rest of my life and about 2 years worth of all the other DIY fixins and wire and cotton.

    I suspect that in time more research will show that some flavorings/ingredients cause issues in some people.

    My vaping consumables are running around $15-20 per month right now figuring in amortization for batteries and such.
    I go thru around 15-20 ml of juice daily.
     
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    True that! I agree with this.
     
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    Please teach me your ways of saving money. I build too and dabble diy. Its definitely more expensive but cheaper than smoking
     
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    The Cromwell The Frugal Vapist VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 2 Years

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    I buy PG and VG by the gallon.
    I buy 100mg nic by the liter.
    Flavors I use I buy in 4 oz bottles.
    Where you spend all your money in DIY is with seeking new concoctions.
    Once you settle on a few you can really save money.
     
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    Can you give me some recipes for the good good bro. I'm a newbie.
     
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    The Cromwell The Frugal Vapist VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 2 Years

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    Now that is the hard part becuase everyones taste is different with different flavorings and the level of flavoring used
    Here is my ADV
    Cromwells Custard.
    for a 120 ml batch
    4 ml Capella Vanilla custard V1
    1.6 ml Capella Vanilla custard.
    6 drops of liquid clearNuStevia.
    nic and PG/VG ratio to suit.
    I just put in 2 ml of 100mg nic and fill the 120 ml glass bottle to the shoulder with 50/50 PG/VG shake well and let sit at least over night.
    Is pretty much shake and vape but a bit better if left to blend for a week.


    About as simple of a recipe as you will get.
     
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    Yes I use 10-15% of flavoring. I appreciate fruits and candy flavors. Sweet tooth in vaping, not so much food. I like the high quality commercial taste. I do appreciate a bitter custard occasionally though, to break up that overwhleming sweetness. The problem with is, id need to make like 6-10 original juices or clones of my favorite commercials. I cant just settle on a few. I prefer something different quite often. But all of it falls in candy and fruit. But the twist is i also appreciate other subtle notes to thos flavors, like menthol, cream, even custard. To spice things up. And i know damn well stocking for around 10 flavors would be more expenxive than a few? Right? I dunno man.
     
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    I have issues with many fruit flavors and with most candy flavors too.
    Some chemicals used in them or artificial sweeteners?
     
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    Waddaya mean man
     
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    I appreciate sucralose or ethyl maltol myself, because it gives it that sweet flavor. Its probably not that good for me though. You wanna know the travesty? I dont have any. I plan on ordering some soon though. My diy will be more towards my tastes.
    It doesn't bother me physically. Not sensitive to it.
     
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    all artificial sweeteners taste horrible to me.
    I will not drink a soft drink with artificial sweetener.
     
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    Here's sweet and fruity, and then sweet sweet lol, and only 3 ingredients each

    Screenshot_20180828-075759.png Screenshot_20180828-075812.png
     
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    It's gotta be 5000% better for you than SMOKING. Geez. Vape as sweet as makes you happy -- I used to use 2.7% sweetener (I preferred TFA's) in every mix. Now I use none, I can taste the sweetness of the flavors themselves, but it took me over 4 yrs of vaping and not smoking to reach that point.

    Don't worry about what OTHERS vape, or even what they think. Vape the way you want, as sweet as you want, as high in flavoring as you want -- whatever it takes you keep you vaping and not smoking, THAT is the right way for you to vape.

    Andria
     
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