Discussion in '"How To" - Rebuilding Tutorials' started by wickedclouds, Nov 14, 2015.
Wow 21G, that is MASSIVE man. It does produce monster clouds though I must admit.
I've been delving into lower gauges myself, lowest is 22G, I built a dual coil 3MM .15 build, and it produces like a beast. Thing is, where the wire is so thick, you can take another draw without the power being pressed and still get a decent cloud. It retains too much heat-I am more into flavour chasing, but do enjoy going mad now and then, I want to find something that will cool fairly quickly but still produce great.
I've had best results with dual 26G Micro coils believe it or not.
I really need to learn some more, get my flavour tanks and drippers set up for max flavour and my bigger drippers with a real monster set up for when I fancy that kind of thing.
For now though, the 26G seems to be doing a fair job, but I will learn more, and I WILL get those monsters down.
21 is the lower limit for me. I find that guages below that just take so much power to get going that they're just too hot to vape on by the time they get there. There is a point where heat will kill vapor production.
I quite like dual 22's, myself. Plenty of flavor and vapor on the right atty. You really need to have fast wicking, maximum chamber space above the coils, and lots of direct airflow to tame the heat retention. It's usually a better idea to keep them on the smallish side, unless you're running something like a Troll wide open with a chuff, which will laugh at a .15 dual 22g like "Is that all you've got?"
Underpowered monster coils can surprise you, though. You'd be surprised at how low you can actually go in voltage for coils with a lot of heat capacity. They don't always need as much power as you'd think because of how well they can hold onto heat.
I actually do believe that. I've been shocked at the vapor coming off of tiny little 26g coils. My theory there is that because they're so small and they heat/cool so fast, they don't need a lot of surface area to quickly displace a lot of juice. They have the advantage when it comes to wicking efficiency, which I find tends to be the biggest obstacle to overcome with huge cloud builds.
That's where self-wicking coils really shine. Fused claptons and their more elaborate friends can chuck some really, thick, serious clouds when you're pumping 4.5+ volts to them. Wicking is never an issue and the flavor is off of the charts with all of that surface area. Might want to look into those.
And then there are staged parallels. You can do stuff like parallel 28 with 26 or maybe even 28 with 24 for a big coil that heats up quickly, but doesn't hold onto as much heat and wicks a bit more readily. You can do some mean, tasty stuff with those simple staged coils.
There's a million different ways to get easy clouds. And they all have sort of a different character to them. It really just comes down to what you like most in terms of the little nuances.
Yes the vapor production is great. I have used plenty of 20g and 18g. I do like a nice 5 wrap nichrome n80 20g build, killer clouds and instant ramp up time.
I also like 26g, I have had excellent luck doing 26g nichrome n80 triple parallel 5 wrap around 3mm or 2.4mm it heats up fast, good flavor and chucks the clouds.
Robot Zombie, I always look forward to your replies. They are very precise, and make a lot of sense. I must praise you on that.
You mentioned lots of airflow-would my El cabron or velocity be ideal candidates? I haven't tried the 22G in these yet-the El cabron comes with a small (still bit) drip tip and adapter, a delrin chuff cap, then a HUGE metal chuff.
Ok, so Should I try say a 3MM build, low resistance, 22G with loads of airflow in the El cabron or velocity? I have only tried the 22G once as the heat it retained put me off-but if I can get them cooling faster, I will use it for my 'madness' moments-which come a few times a week-where I like to spend an hour going insane, and much to my mums pleasure, filling the entire house with vapour. Yep, I am 25 and still live at home. I love my mum and granddad, and have no plans on leaving anytime soon. My granddad is sick and she is his main carer, I am the second, so I need to be there, or it would be carers coming in, and having worked as a carer-I am NOT having that for my granddad.
For wicking-what would you recommend? I have that Koh gen doh japanese cotton-the stuff wicks fast, but I find my organic cotton balls are more tightly packed-for instance they are a similar density to the 'scottish roll' wicking method-so can hold a lot of juice. Not as fast at wicking though.
Ok, I will remember that they don't need as much power as I necessarily think due to the heat they hold onto.
I am glad you believe me, because it is honestly the truth. I currently have micro coils in the el cabron, dual 26 gauge, I think around .44, and that actually produces fairly beastly clouds. They are quite flavoursome too.
I have ordered lots of gauges this week-as my supply of standard, non tc wire was low. I have all gauges of kanthal on the way up to 30, I have some 32 but found that to be too thin-even for my claptons I thought it was a bit too thin/fragile.
So self wicking coils-Ok, this does sound like the potential way forward robot zombie, (Sorry, do you mind me asking your name? I'm Conan BTW, I just feel more personal reffering by name. If you like to stay anonymous on the net though, no worries, I will call you your user name if thats cool? ).
So-fused claptons. I can make standard claptons, but I don't really understand the way the resistance change works when you have made it. Add an extra wire into the Mix-I will have no idea.
I will be willing to try fused Claptons though-as soon as I have 30 gauge and all other gauges. For now though-its either 22, 24, or 26 gauge for cloud builds.
I will need to learn about these simple staged coils-as I must admit, they do confuse me lol.
If I am honest-I probably already AM using a build that is ideal for clouds-I just want to experiment with the various ways to achieve the clouds, and see for myself the small differences you mention.
Plus-just because I am not using ultra high wattage-if the cloud is big, the cloud is big, right? I will likely try some 22G now for my velocity, see how I get on .
Thanks man, Conan.
Hey, thanks man! I just geek out hard on this vaping shit sometimes. Truthfully, I only know what I know and you should take what I say with a grain of salt
Oh sure. Just keep em fairly close to the airflow. With the velocity it might not matter so much since you have all of that space between the coils. But yeah, run them wide-open. Personally, I never use the ultra-wide chuffs for 22g builds. The delrin chuff should be enuff.
Sounds good. I like to do 6 or 7 wraps for 3mm - mech or high-wattage mod.
Nothing wrong with that! I know people your age who are really struggling out there and would be jealous of you even having that option. Cherish what you have going on there with your fam. Some people are not so lucky to be so close to their immediate bloodline.
Do it standard style with the KGD. Keep as little wick in there is possible. With those pads, you'll probably want to peel those compacted outer layers off. The innards are fluffy and allow you to get away with less and still make full contact. Don't pull it apart. Just cut straight little strips along the grain and gently roll them out into tubes.
Yeah, and oddly enough, I find that smaller, low-gauge coils can handle more power without running into wicking problems, which is something I believe you noted a while back.
Trust me on this one, the performance on claptons improves greatly the higher you go for the outer gauges. Faster ramp-up, more nooks and crannies. I do mine 34 and up. I prefer 36 for single cores and 40 for fused. 40 is tough to work with, but it actually holds up pretty well. The vapor is smoother, cooler, and milkier.
For real, play around some more with claptons, especially fused claptons. You can call me Mike, btw. How did I guess that your name was Conan? Weird...
You're overthinking it. The outer wire doesn't carry much, if any current. It's all going to want to go to the lower-res core. A regular clapton has the same resistance per foot as the core wire alone. The coils themselves will ohm slightly higher, wrap for wrap, because the outer wire is increasing the diameter of the wraps on the inside. A fused clapton is the same, only it's a parallel.
They're tricky to calculate, but easy to do. Just start wrapping parallels with two different gauges and see how they ohm-out to get a feel for it.
Good luck and have fun tinkering!
I believe that 24g/34g Fused Clapton give the best vapor production without insane temps or mod maxing power. Try Dual 5 wrap fused claptons with a 2.5mm bit using 24g or 26g/32g-36g and using less then 110w you have a beast in vapor and flavor thats tolerable for long hits.
Wow bro mad clouds!!! I like that
I can`t see your post? What`s the problem?
It's two years old and the video is gone from youtube.
Mad clouds bro.
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