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Hardware makers are only interested in profit.
No noble stuff going on there.
you don't know what your talking about, by your own admission you don't buy their gear..you have no real idea of who and what they do..I've had modders bend over backwards to help me. I've had them go to ridiculous lengths to be of help, far beyond the price of their gear...
 

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I think clones are awesome, since I'm poor, and want to vape. And my 2 cloned original Achilles beat the SHIT out of my authentic Achilles II, which is the biggest piece of shit I own.

I can't tell much diff in performance between my authentic KFL+ and my tobeco clones; the authentic has smoother threading, is about the only difference. The clones cost me $35 each, back in 2014, when the KFL+ was still absolutely The Shit as far as rebuildable tanks; the authenthic cost me $72, I think it was, THIS year. If not for affordable clones, I'd still be smoking.

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So new merlin 22mm RTA Reviews , why are they saying look can do both dtl and MTL then only building it for dtl like the other 100 tanks before it
Why put a huge coil in then say look mtl ?? really are they that lazy to not even attempt a simple wire build to show it in MTL claiming its dual use to promote it but not even trying or showing it says it all there just so dam lazy arsed videos now watched 3 different ones all used Included coil , none but a MTL but claimed it does it without showing an they get paid for that,
Throw in big build Airflow wide open they so stuck on look CLOUDS (my job is done here there thinking) ,
another example of lazy reviewers,


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So new merlin 22mm RTA Reviews , why are they saying look can do both dtl and MTL then only building it for dtl like the other 100 tanks before it
Why put a huge coil in then say look mtl ?? really are they that lazy to not even attempt a simple wire build to show it in MTL claiming its dual use to promote it but not even trying or showing it says it all there just so dam lazy arsed videos now watched 3 different ones all used Included coil , none but a MTL but claimed it does it without showing an they get paid for that,
Throw in big build Airflow wide open they so stuck on look CLOUDS (my job is done here there thinking) ,
another example of lazy reviewers,


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And it's FAR more challenging these days to get a good, satisfying, tight-draw MtL vape, than any of this cloudz bro shit. The fact of making thick annoying clouds doesn't say a single thing about how that vape TASTES.

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And it's FAR more challenging these days to get a good, satisfying, tight-draw MtL vape, than any of this cloudz bro shit. The fact of making thick annoying clouds doesn't say a single thing about how that vape TASTES.

Andria
If comes with the adaptor surely they can wind a simple coil and wick it ,

The trick is finding that right build and wick method not to tight, that it chokes it
An not too lose it leaks,

Or just ignore the who part an skip it like they have done,


Ive seen a plastic cap with 2 metal rods and a wire diy build make clouds ,

I want to see them Actually show an back up its claims which none so far have done

Its seems vaping is just big coils big power big clouds too them , of which they make sod all them selfs ,

Given the mod
given the coils ,
given the batteries
given the juice ,
Id like them to Actually earn there vape money now An Actually do something
God dam lazy they are
they even been given coiling kits and tool kits
(,by sponcors )
but never see then build any more
infact its getting more common for ,
Every thing to be already done pre video, just then talking about it and a few cloud shots
Really , we need to start down voting there videos, start to make them give a dam
There to busy for us now , getting free flights to vape cons an such
Would they still be too busy if there freebies stopped ,

Would they put more effort back into there Reviews if they lost the support from us, and got down voted on every Review.
Until they put more effort back in
And had to build there support back up ?? , Hmm





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Giraut

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I think clones are awesome, since I'm poor, and want to vape. And my 2 cloned original Achilles beat the SHIT out of my authentic Achilles II, which is the biggest piece of shit I own.

Clones are authentics that are priced normally for the thinking people market. Also, in the case of RDAs, very often clones and authentics are made by the same Chinese factory.
 

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Clones are authentics that are priced normally for the thinking people market. Also, in the case of RDAs, very often clones and authentics are made by the same Chinese factory.

Sometimes clones are just as good, sometimes clones barely resemble the OG, sometimes clones vape as well but are not well made well enough to last very long
 

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Sometimes clones are just as good, sometimes clones barely resemble the OG, sometimes clones vape as well but are not well made well enough to last very long
I've had some better than orignal and some just terrible , but many now know to go with certain makers , Yes Brand named clones HA ha how Ironic , there still a few Vape snobs that are disgusted with clones , But im sure its more butt hurt than the , Oh think of the guy who Designed it there work being stolen where as many get them made cheap in china an then over charge

Or only sell it via you winning the chance to buy it ,
which is stupid , why not go contact china and get them to mass produce it and charge a decent price surely they sell to many retailers so in sheer bulk alone you'd make your money and not worry about it becoming a clone ??

Instead of spending all that time rubbing hands together thinking of how much
can get away with over charging ,

Some Clones are done to great standards , Even with Authentics there always a few that are , well Crap in some way, bad threads , bent posts , poor Orings , that come from making mass production ,
Theres been many Hussar Problems with Authentics leaking an such similar with squapes , and others , with RDA,s bad thread Oring s post screws bent posts ,

But with Clones at a fraction of the price if it lasts its time in use then its good, they greatly improved over the last year or 2
Im Awaiting a Clone RTA to arrive ,and if i like it will pick up the Authentic I have done this a couple of times before , and parts will be interchangeable between them,


My clone Hussar by CV has been perfect no problems at all

The pocket RDA looks nice but not a chance of being able to get one so when i saw it at
12.50usd for clone obviously i thought im getting one of them , same with Haku ,

I also believe Clones have helped drive prices down a lot too,


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there still a few Vape snobs that are disgusted with clones , But im sure its more butt hurt than the , Oh think of the guy who Designed it there work being stolen

I'm a snob, I don't agree with clones and yes I know many modmakers that have had their designs stolen.

However, if that clone helped someone give up Cigarettes and switch to Vaping, that's bloody great :)

If you continue to buy clones, that's your choice and I personally don't care, you vape what you want, I'll vape what I want.

End result, we aren't smoking and that's what matters.



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I'm a snob, I don't agree with clones and yes I know many modmakers that have had their designs stolen.

Modmakers who make their mods themselves have all my respect. But most outsource to China - and then they get their pants in a knot when them Chinese turn around and sell the exact same hardware from the exact same production line for 5x less. I say fuck the latter - and they're a majority.

I buy clones, unless there's a compelling moral reason not to - and there usually isn't.
 

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Modmakers who make their mods themselves have all my respect. But most outsource to China - and then they get their pants in a knot when them Chinese turn around and sell the exact same hardware from the exact same production line for 5x less. I say fuck the latter - and they're a majority.

I buy clones, unless there's a compelling moral reason not to - and there usually isn't.
Thats it exactly , and if there a more reasonable price more would buy them, also the fact that many also take ques and parts from previous released items so not always Original ideas of there own , either way,
with similar decks
Similar chambers and JFC
so there copying each other ,
as well, then where told the Chinese are stealing there Design that they stole from others , swings and roundabouts TBH,
Add to that
When said modder only release X amounts making it unavailable,
To keep price and demand high a deliberate tactic to fuel the hype,
that bites them in the arse when its cloned,

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And it's FAR more challenging these days to get a good, satisfying, tight-draw MtL vape, than any of this cloudz bro shit. The fact of making thick annoying clouds doesn't say a single thing about how that vape TASTES.

Andria
To many vapers now more flavor just means more juice vaporized.
The American thing of bigger is better ?

American Adult obesity is at an all time high ;)
 

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To many vapers now more flavor just means more juice vaporized.
The American thing of bigger is better ?

American Adult obesity is at an all time high ;)
There are a lot of former smokers where a large problem with giving up the Stinkies wasn't the nicotine, it is the feel of the draw and exhale. This is where I fall and why the gum, patch, etc never worked. What keeps us off the Stinkies is the feeling of drawing a healthy hit and exhaling a respectable cloud where MTL can't fulfill.

This is the wonderful thing about Vaping, one size does not fit all.
 

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Thats it exactly , and if there a more reasonable price more would buy them, also the fact that many also take ques and parts from previous released items so not always Original ideas of there own , either way,
with similar decks
Similar chambers and JFC
so there copying each other ,
as well, then where told the Chinese are stealing there Design that they stole from others , swings and roundabouts TBH,
Add to that
When said modder only release X amounts making it unavailable,
To keep price and demand high a deliberate tactic to fuel the hype,
that bites them in the arse when its cloned,

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Could be a scalability issue though Benley hand made small team vs autonomous production line and can't keep up with demand

The Chinese can buy raw materials in large quantities keeps the cost down so wouldn't necessarily say it's always deliberate ...some are though when they have the equipment to scale up and just run small runs at a time as you say to fuel the hype

Or it might be they want to avoid distribution where they can't control who gets the product which later falls into the wrong hands and gets cloned or won't sell it at the RRP

Then there are those that get greedy and bitch and moan that companies sell below RRP when their stock is flooding the market claiming them to be fakes

I buy clones as you know to try before i buy but I do try to see it from thier angle as well especially the smaller companies
 

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There are a lot of former smokers where a large problem with giving up the Stinkies wasn't the nicotine, it is the feel of the draw and exhale. This is where I fall and why the gum, patch, etc never worked. What keeps us off the Stinkies is the feeling of drawing a healthy hit and exhaling a respectable cloud where MTL can't fulfill.

This is the wonderful thing about Vaping, one size does not fit all.

I'm in that same camp as well, yeah I got withdrawal symptoms but they soon pass it's the habit I missed so vaping was an excellent alternative for me
 

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I buy clones and cheap mods because they are what I can afford to buy.
if I had to buy a 2-300 $ authentic mod and ~$100 attys to get off of smokes I would still be smoking.
That is the truth of it.
Clones and cheap mods allow more people to switch from smoking to vaping.
This is a bad thing?
 

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I buy clones and cheap mods because they are what I can afford to buy.
if I had to buy a 2-300 $ authentic mod and ~$100 attys to get off of smokes I would still be smoking.
That is the truth of it.
Clones and cheap mods allow more people to switch from smoking to vaping.
This is a bad thing?
Not at all

I've said since I started vaping:
I sometimes buy clones to try before I buy, then buy the authentic if I like them. If it's something I know without a doubt, I will like, than I buy the authentic.
I do that because of personal choice. I have never and will never say otherwise. Alot of times, I will buy three clones and an authentic and cross reference similarities, so that I can tell people which clone is closer and what to stay away from. -SOMETHING that I know was useful with the previous kayfun and hadaly variations.

Altogether, it doesn't matter what a person uses, so long as it keeps them off tobacco. Quite honestly, I don't think anyone cares.

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I buy clones and cheap mods because they are what I can afford to buy.
if I had to buy a 2-300 $ authentic mod and ~$100 attys to get off of smokes I would still be smoking.
That is the truth of it.
Clones and cheap mods allow more people to switch from smoking to vaping.
This is a bad thing?
no that isn't the truth of it..since day one there has been original chinese vape gear... UD and others have been making original stuff for years..drippers,gennys and tanks...there has always been cheap gear you could vape on without using clones.
 

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Thats it exactly , and if there a more reasonable price more would buy them, also the fact that many also take ques and parts from previous released items so not always Original ideas of there own , either way,
with similar decks
Similar chambers and JFC
so there copying each other ,
as well, then where told the Chinese are stealing there Design that they stole from others , swings and roundabouts TBH,
Add to that
When said modder only release X amounts making it unavailable,
To keep price and demand high a deliberate tactic to fuel the hype,
that bites them in the arse when its cloned,

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modders don't make small batches because they are hyping the price that is nonsense..alot of modders work by themselves or with just a couple of other people they physically can't make large batches...It is us who keep the price of authentic gear high not the modders it is the vaping community when we buy clones which keep the prices of quality gear so high....
What is the point of a modder spending all the time and money making 3,000 attys and being able to cut his price from 170.00 for an atty down to say 60.00 for an atty....when the chinese can sell the clone for 9.00...You would have the same chiseling fucks saying the price of 60.00 was gouging them and the modders were all pigs blah blah blah and it was the modders fault they couldn't quit smoking blah blah blah....this from the same people who were spending a helluva alot of money on cigarettes, and cable TV, and junk food, and recreational pharmacutecals, and internet porn..have the gall to blame the modders for them not being able to kick their smoking habit....we..us..are the reason the price of authentic gear is so high
what a bunch of crap...if you are on this forum ...vaping is a hobby it is not about quiting smoking...we all know people who still own the first protank they ever bought and have used the same protank for years to get off smoking.....
 

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modders don't make small batches because they are hyping the price that is nonsense..alot of modders work by themselves or with just a couple of other people they physically can't make large batches...It is us who keep the price of authentic gear high not the modders it is the vaping community when we buy clones which keep the prices of quality gear so high....
What is the point of a modder spending all the time and money making 3,000 attys and being able to cut his price from 170.00 for an atty down to say 60.00 for an atty....when the chinese can sell the clone for 9.00...You would have the same chiseling fucks saying the price of 60.00 was gouging them and the modders were all pigs blah blah blah and it was the modders fault they couldn't quit smoking blah blah blah....this from the same people who were spending a helluva alot of money on cigarettes, and cable TV, and junk food, and recreational pharmacutecals, and internet porn..have the gall to blame the modders for them not being able to kick their smoking habit....we..us..are the reason the price of authentic gear is so high
Who said anything about modders cutting their price?
They are entitled to ask what they want for their product same as anyone is.
Most of them could sell 10X the amount that they do at the same price.
For some of the most expensive ones the market might not support that volume?
But for most of them the market would support their price asked.
 

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I buy clones and cheap mods because they are what I can afford to buy.

Exactly. And look who's always pro-authentics and anti-clones: it's always the goddamn reviewers, who get most of their vape gear for free, and don't even have the decency to keep their opinion to themselves on that particular matter.
 

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Who said anything about modders cutting their price?
They are entitled to ask what they want for their product same as anyone is.
Most of them could sell 10X the amount that they do at the same price.
For some of the most expensive ones the market might not support that volume?
But for most of them the market would support their price asked.
are you being purposely obtuse????
No they can't or they would...they aren't out to fuck you over and make you keep smoking they are into being craftsmen and making money.and if they could make more money and be able to keep being craftsmen that is what they would do.

The modders would love to be able to drop their prices and increase their output on an industrial scale...they would more than make up for the lowering of the price in a massive volume,,,,,but they can't increase their production on an industrial scale and bring their price down, because there are to many vapers who won't buy an authentic at any price...unless it is cheaper than the chinese....we aren't the victims we like to pretend to be..we are part of the problem.
 

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Exactly. And look who's always pro-authentics and anti-clones: it's always the goddamn reviewers, who get most of their vape gear for free, and don't even have the decency to keep their opinion to themselves on that particular matter.
I have no problem at all with reviewers getting free gear. Unless they are obvious shills.
all hobbyist vapes have an opinion on clones vs authentic.
I suspect that the majority of vapers do not care one way or the other, they are just glad to be off of cigs.
 

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Exactly. And look who's always pro-authentics and anti-clones: it's always the goddamn reviewers, who get most of their vape gear for free, and don't even have the decency to keep their opinion to themselves on that particular matter.
it is not a matter of pro or con..it is a matter of us being honest about how the market got to the point of where it is at...and our roles in it.
 

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I have no problem at all with reviewers getting free gear. Unless they are obvious shills.
all hobbyist vapes have an opinion on clones vs authentic.
I suspect that the majority of vapers do not care one way or the other, they are just glad to be off of cigs.

If I got all my vape gear for free, I too would be pro-authentics. That's why those who don't pay for nice stuff with their own money should keep their trap shut about what they think about the stuff they don't pay for. I bet most of the reviewers who piss on the clones haven't even tried one...
 

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If I got all my vape gear for free, I too would be pro-authentics. That's why those who don't pay for nice stuff with their own money should keep their trap shut about what they think about the stuff they don't pay for. I bet most of the reviewers who piss on the clones haven't even tried one...
I got all my Smok gear for free, won it.
I am still NOT pro Smok.
 

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I knew I should not have clicked on Show ignored content from Pulsevape...
A futile hope for a reasonable conversation from some.
you are like the college snowflakes bobby you need a safe space so the faulty logic of your imagined victimhood is never called into question..
 

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Clones are authentics that are priced normally for the thinking people market. Also, in the case of RDAs, very often clones and authentics are made by the same Chinese factory.

In the case of the Achilles, Chinese Yeahsmo beats Ukraine authentic all to hell and back -- and cost 1/4 as much, yet still made of titanium. The clones don't leak -- the authentic does. Leaking is about the NUMBER ONE thing an atty is NOT supposed to do!


If I got all my vape gear for free, I too would be pro-authentics. That's why those who don't pay for nice stuff with their own money should keep their trap shut about what they think about the stuff they don't pay for. I bet most of the reviewers who piss on the clones haven't even tried one...

It's pretty much the same scenario as BP saying that vaping doesn't work, we should use THEIR products instead -- OF COURSE they're going to say that, they have a vested interest in selling THEIR OWN products, not vape gear! Likewise, authentic makers who charge a fucking arm and leg (and don't make enough to satisfy the market demand, even if everyone could afford their mega-expensive stuff!) naturally don't want people to buy things that are just as good.. and cost 1/4 as much. Money talks! Or, in the case of clones... pouts. :D

Andria
 

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If I got all my vape gear for free, I too would be pro-authentics. That's why those who don't pay for nice stuff with their own money should keep their trap shut about what they think about the stuff they don't pay for. I bet most of the reviewers who piss on the clones haven't even tried one...
don't be silly of course they have tried clones....and they do buy authentic gear they really want sometimes just like us...
 

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Yes, but you don't have a business based on Smok sending you more free shit to review in the future. That's the difference.
Most reviewers seem to soft shoe dance around any criticism of vape gear they review.
And yes it is most likely so they will not get cut off from free stuff to review in the future.
I think Todd burned some bridges with Smok and maybe Kanger long ago with his honest reviews.
One of the reasons he is my fav reviewer in spite of a small jewel missing from his crown :)
 

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In the case of the Achilles, Chinese Yeahsmo beats Ukraine authentic all to hell and back -- and cost 1/4 as much, yet still made of titanium. The clones don't leak -- the authentic does. Leaking is about the NUMBER ONE thing an atty is NOT supposed to do!
It was a Ukraine mafia thing :D
 

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don't be silly of course they have tried clones....and they do buy authentic gear they really want sometimes just like us...

No: *WE* buy *ALL* of our gear. Just because the reviewers *sometimes* deign forking off a little money like the rest of us doesn't give them the right to participate in the clone vs. authentic debate.
 

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No: *WE* buy *ALL* of our gear. Just because the reviewers *sometimes* deign forking off a little money like the rest of us doesn't give them the right to participate in the clone vs. authentic debate.
Everyone has an opinion they just use their channels to promote theirs.
After all reviews are mostly about opinion.
 

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No: *WE* buy *ALL* of our gear. Just because the reviewers *sometimes* deign forking off a little money like the rest of us doesn't give them the right to participate in the clone vs. authentic debate.
the have as much of a right as anybody else, and the have more knowledge on the issue than most vapers...you are speaking from a place of envy and not logic. most reviewers have spent more of their personal cash on gear than any of us has...
 

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No: *WE* buy *ALL* of our gear. Just because the reviewers *sometimes* deign forking off a little money like the rest of us doesn't give them the right to participate in the clone vs. authentic debate.

Nope, it sure doesn't -- it's just like doctors going along with BP about vaping vs. BP products -- toeing the party line! "Qui bono" as they say in law...

Andria
 

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Not at all

I've said since I started vaping:
I sometimes buy clones to try before I buy, then buy the authentic if I like them. If it's something I know without a doubt, I will like, than I buy the authentic.
I do that because of personal choice. I have never and will never say otherwise. Alot of times, I will buy three clones and an authentic and cross reference similarities, so that I can tell people which clone is closer and what to stay away from. -SOMETHING that I know was useful with the previous kayfun and hadaly variations.

Altogether, it doesn't matter what a person uses, so long as it keeps them off tobacco. Quite honestly, I don't think anyone cares.

BAM crew

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Well, an iPhone 5 would be pretty old these days.

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Going back to topic I watch vape reviews I do prefer written reviews more but it's good to see around a product - I stay away from any reviewer that spends 10 minutes throwing in juice and coil promos into the shoot

Dean the Vaping Biker is my personal favourite reviewer nearly always aligns with my thoughts after I made the same purchase and he has never relented to pushing products plus he always seems reasonable and doesn't come accross as having an ego the size of the Empire State Building

Yeah I do like Jai Haze as well I know he's like marmite for some his persona attracts haters and he'll have a barny with anyone maybe on the strong side.... but I like he doesn't pull any punches and what you see is what you get don't like it fuck off attitude.....although if he has a beef with a company that's it watch out sometimes can get the best of him but he does make me laugh a lot and that's the important bit

Watched a few of Todds and vaping with Vic and a lot of Anthony's as I can't sit through DJlsb vids but I like to see the bench tests Ant does.

One thing I don't like watching is reviewers taking a pull of the vape other than once at the end on the back up top ....doing it throughout a vid is irritating

Yeah the video market is flooded with up and comings but sometimes it helps keep the old guard fresh and stay relevant IMO
 

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