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mt01631

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And some of the old guard are getting burned out and dropping out.

Different game now fella, as you can read above, many people just assume you are trying to make money from it or promote something. Yes there are many that fit that bill but there are also many genuine folk out there trying to review because they just enjoy it. The constant bashing does wear you down.

Not me, I'm a freeloading elitist prick ;)
 

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Having your opinion expressed on a Youtube channel does not make it any more valid than any other persons.
Same as with any opinion expressed in any media.
Still just an opinion.

Just like my opinions I express on here :D
 

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Pretty much how I feel as an "old guard" video game reviewer and why I stopped.
 

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The shitty thing is that some people looking to cash in on a great train of money, popularity and other things, are giving an entire platform a pretty jaded reputation. Sad part of that is the tarnish it puts on those with true genuine intentions.

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ben73

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Theres now paid prom contracts offered now ,
P Bussado mentioned it , a
few times
that a lot of companies now are actually drawing up written legal binding contacts for not just goods for free for Reviews but money and such making the viewers even more suspicious

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Vaping with Vic recently raked a company over the coals that he had previously supported. Did a pretty good job at it, too.
 

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Different game now fella, as you can read above, many people just assume you are trying to make money from it or promote something. Yes there are many that fit that bill but there are also many genuine folk out there trying to review because they just enjoy it. The constant bashing does wear you down.

Not me, I'm a freeloading elitist prick ;)

yeah.

Not on the last thing you posted though :D

Did Dean have a spare Jewel lying about?
 

EatMaBB

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If it wasn't for clones I would still be smoking as that was all I could afford at the time.
It was 2 years after I started vaping that I got my first authentic item and thought I should show it off for anyone else that was looking at getting one.
I still get the odd clone and do review them just like every other item I review.
Take the NarDa, I have a clone and use it as much as the Wasp Nano, as I like it for the size and flavour it gives off.
If I want to try something that is expensive, I will get a clone as there is some that is actually better than the authentic, as the cloner's have fixed something on it.
 

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And some of the old guard are getting burned out and dropping out.

It's relentless though and don't blame them count how many products Ijoy, Smok, Geekvape or one of the others release in a single year, out of control IMO innovation doesn't make big leaps anymore instead it all about small incremental gains.... id much prefer it if companies slowed down and when they release something it's a decent crack at it and unique, the golden age of vaping is over for now with new laws and lack of progress ....and that's why we end up having threads like this everyone is washed out with the flood of endless products and turn inwards to those trying to get everyone the information on everything coming through.

I do think reviewing can (if your aren't careful) become an extension of shinyitess for the worse it's like a row of endless products and you never get to stay and appreciate the truly awesome products you have along the way, it becomes a next and next thing following the pursuit of the ever increasing number of products available.

Going back to what pulse said earlier this is why the modders will never phase out they provide that breath of fresh air something unique to the noise of everything else. It's just a shame it's out of reach for so many out there but thier innovations do eventually hit the mass market through other means (clone or incoperate ideas) which we all then get to appreciate in a new form.
 

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If it wasn't for clones I would still be smoking as that was all I could afford at the time.
It was 2 years after I started vaping that I got my first authentic item and thought I should show it off for anyone else that was looking at getting one.
I still get the odd clone and do review them just like every other item I review.
Take the NarDa, I have a clone and use it as much as the Wasp Nano, as I like it for the size and flavour it gives off.
If I want to try something that is expensive, I will get a clone as there is some that is actually better than the authentic, as the cloner's have fixed something on it.
Yeah I agree... if someone is asking 150.00 for an atty it seems wise to buy a 25.00 clone to see if you wanna get the original.....but I like to buy the original...if the modders disappear we are stuck with the crap china designs...I like to support the modders because they are the ones innovating design.and as a craftsman myself I love good craftsmenship..it's worth the money to me.
 

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Different game now fella, as you can read above, many people just assume you are trying to make money from it or promote something. Yes there are many that fit that bill but there are also many genuine folk out there trying to review because they just enjoy it. The constant bashing does wear you down.

Not me, I'm a freeloading elitist prick ;)

That's the spirit Todd way I see it the naysayers are the noisy ones the appreciative folks aren't...people generally, if they are going to write something are normally of a mind to complain rather than spend time coming on to say thanks

Doesn't mean they aren't about though, I couldn't give a crap whether someone's paid or gets items free i know how long it takes putting it all together ;) if it becomes thier job as well then so be it as long as they stay honest along the way, everyone earns a living somehow
 

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Sometimes clones are just as good, sometimes clones barely resemble the OG, sometimes clones vape as well but are not well made well enough to last very long
I have a few authentic boxes and rdas. I guess I've been really lucky with the clones. I've never had the problems with them that others have. Minus like the emblem on my Apocalypse looking different it has no there blemishes that I can find. Almost the best $9 rda I've paid for so far.

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modders don't make small batches because they are hyping the price that is nonsense..alot of modders work by themselves or with just a couple of other people they physically can't make large batches...It is us who keep the price of authentic gear high not the modders it is the vaping community when we buy clones which keep the prices of quality gear so high....
What is the point of a modder spending all the time and money making 3,000 attys and being able to cut his price from 170.00 for an atty down to say 60.00 for an atty....when the chinese can sell the clone for 9.00...You would have the same chiseling fucks saying the price of 60.00 was gouging them and the modders were all pigs blah blah blah and it was the modders fault they couldn't quit smoking blah blah blah....this from the same people who were spending a helluva alot of money on cigarettes, and cable TV, and junk food, and recreational pharmacutecals, and internet porn..have the gall to blame the modders for them not being able to kick their smoking habit....we..us..are the reason the price of authentic gear is so high
what a bunch of crap...if you are on this forum ...vaping is a hobby it is not about quiting smoking...we all know people who still own the first protank they ever bought and have used the same protank for years to get off smoking.....
I have not once paid for porn. That's what the interweb is for. Ha ha

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Everyone has an opinion they just use their channels to promote theirs.
After all reviews are mostly about opinion.

Almost all reviewers have a pretty obvious conflict of interest, and that automatically makes their opinion suspicious at best - and no, saying "This xxx was sent to me free of charge for the purpose of this review" doesn't make it any more trustworthy. Even if a reviewer really was totally honest, the conflict of interest irremediably voids the trust that can be put in what they say. The only reviewers I would trust are

1/ Those who actually buy the stuff they review - there are a few.

2/ Reviewers who work in a vape shop and review what the vape shop buys, anonymously, without divulging what vape shop they work for - I don't know of any.

All the others... well, they're good enough for closeups of the stuff they review, but not much more.

I mean really, we vapers are the first to denounce politicos who receive campaign money from Big Tobacco, and laugh sarcastically at whatever they have to say on the subject of tobacco smoking. Yet for some reason, a majority of vapers are willing to listen to, accept, or even admire what Youtube reviewers have to say. They're in the exact same situation ferchrissake!
 

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Almost all reviewers have a pretty obvious conflict of interest, and that automatically makes their opinion suspicious at best - and no, saying "This xxx was sent to me free of charge for the purpose of this review" doesn't make it any more trustworthy. Even if a reviewer really was totally honest, the conflict of interest irremediably voids the trust that can be put in what they say. The only reviewers I would trust are

1/ Those who actually buy the stuff they review - there are a few.

2/ Reviewers who work in a vape shop and review what the vape shop buys, anonymously, without divulging what vape shop they work for - I don't know of any.

All the others... well, they're good enough for closeups of the stuff they review, but not much more.

I mean really, we vapers are the first to denounce politicos who receive campaign money from Big Tobacco, and laugh sarcastically at whatever they have to say on the subject of tobacco smoking. Yet for some reason, a majority of vapers are willing to listen to, accept, or even admire what Youtube reviewers have to say. They're in the exact same situation ferchrissake!
All depends of the reviewer, one size does not fit all. For example look at all the shit and actual threats from sigelei Daniel received for reporting his actual findings of the sigelei 213. I've also seen reviews from Dean (Vaping Biker) and Sam (Vaping Bogan) that totally trashed what they got for free.

There's no conflict of interest if they get gear for free to review, a conflict of interest is when they get paid for reviewing said gear, special coupon's, etc.
 

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i will have to respectfully disagree with this.
This^

I can't honestly understand how getting a free sample makes everyone automatically biased. That's such an asinine statement TBH. Let's say you go to costco and try a free sample of some juice which they have in the isles for people to try. Then someone walk up to you and says hey I seen you tried that juice how was it? Are people implying it's impossible for you to be unbiased answering that question because you didn't pay for it? That's how stupid some people sound.

Now if someone is getting financially compensated by a manufacturer then yes I can see a conflict of interest there but a free sample alone doesn't make a conflict of interest or biased. Hell if a friend of mine gives me something and I decide I want to do a review does that become bais?

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Giraut

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I can't honestly understand how getting a free sample makes everyone automatically biased. That's such an asinine statement TBH. Let's say you go to costco and try a free sample of some juice which they have in the isles for people to try. Then someone walk up to you and says hey I seen you tried that juice how was it? Are people implying it's impossible for you to be unbiased answering that question because you didn't pay for it? That's how stupid some people sound.

Getting one free juice sample doesn't make you biased. However, if your activity is reviewing juices, juice makers regularly send you free samples to review, and there's a good chance they'll stop doing it if you diss their product once too many, then you have a conflict of interest - i.e. you might hate the product but not say it to avoid running foul of the manufacturers and be left hanging dry.

What's so hard to understand here?

In any case, I can't count the number of shit mods and atomizers I bought that the reviewers thought were really great. As far as I'm concerned, there's no question they're pulling their punches at the very least. If you can't see it, I have a great super-reliable Wismec mod to sell you - it's great, all the reviewers said so, so it must be true!
 

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Getting one free juice sample doesn't make you biased. However, if your activity is reviewing juices, juice makers regularly send you free samples to review, and there's a good chance they'll stop doing it if you diss their product once too many, then you have a conflict of interest - i.e. you might hate the product but not say it to avoid running foul of the manufacturers and be left hanging dry.

What's so hard to understand here?

In any case, I can't count the number of shit mods and atomizers I bought that the reviewers thought were really great. As far as I'm concerned, there's no question they're pulling their punches at the very least. If you can't see it, I have a great super-reliable Wismec mod to sell you - it's great, all the reviewers said so, so it must be true!
I never said some aren't biased. I said that just getting a free sample doesn't mean automatic bias. I've given more negative reviews to stuff I got as free samples then probably any other reviewer and yet nobody has stopped sending me stuff. So all I'm saying is getting a free sample doesn't automatically make you biased, it depends on the reviewers integrity and monitory gain. Some have more integrity then others

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Giraut

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I never said some aren't biased. I said that just getting a free sample doesn't mean automatic bias.

And what I'm telling you is that, not being in your head to verify that you're totally unbiased, one has to assume that you're not if you get stuff for free. That's the principle of a conflict of interest: you may be an honest-to-goodness reviewer, but no-one can really be sure.
 

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Tried a clone once. It just was lazy and stayed home and drunk all my beer and smoked all my cigarettes while I had to work.
Clone gone.
 

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And what I'm telling you is that, not being in your head to verify that you're totally unbiased, one has to assume that you're not if you get stuff for free. That's the principle of a conflict of interest: you may be an honest-to-goodness reviewer, but no-one can really be sure.
Why make a baseless assumption? What I like to do personally is find a few really crappy items and see what a reviewer says about them it gives me a good idea for sure.

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Todd caused me to get a Wanko :cry:

well that and the fact that they had already reduced them to $9 because no one else was dumb enough to buy them :)


I also bought Serpent RTA's (original ones) based on his recommendation. They worked out much bettrer than the Wanko :D
 

EatMaBB

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Yeah I agree... if someone is asking 150.00 for an atty it seems wise to buy a 25.00 clone to see if you wanna get the original.....but I like to buy the original...if the modders disappear we are stuck with the crap china designs...I like to support the modders because they are the ones innovating design.and as a craftsman myself I love good craftsmenship..it's worth the money to me.

It all depends on the price of the original if I would purchase it, if it cost xxx then that could be a lot of ££ out my budget to get more items that I want to review and if I did purchase it, it could be the only item I get for a month or 2, then I would get bored as I wouldn't have anything to test/play with for review for that length of time.
 

ben73

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modders don't make small batches because they are hyping the price that is nonsense..alot of modders work by themselves or with just a couple of other people they physically can't make large batches...It is us who keep the price of authentic gear high not the modders it is the vaping community when we buy clones which keep the prices of quality gear so high....
What is the point of a modder spending all the time and money making 3,000 attys and being able to cut his price from 170.00 for an atty down to say 60.00 for an atty....when the chinese can sell the clone for 9.00...You would have the same chiseling fucks saying the price of 60.00 was gouging them and the modders were all pigs blah blah blah and it was the modders fault they couldn't quit smoking blah blah blah....this from the same people who were spending a helluva alot of money on cigarettes, and cable TV, and junk food, and recreational pharmacutecals, and internet porn..have the gall to blame the modders for them not being able to kick their smoking habit....we..us..are the reason the price of authentic gear is so high
what a bunch of crap...if you are on this forum ...vaping is a hobby it is not about quiting smoking...we all know people who still own the first protank they ever bought and have used the same protank for years to get off smoking.....
But many could also work with said Chinese companies , to get production ramped up with a lower under 100usd price and still do well ,
Sherman RTA did this but kept numbers low , so because demand was high they where cloned due to fact of
supply and demand
They couldn't supply enough
The clones came and under cut them , + the first runs had problems that the Knightsbridge clone Actually came with better threadings than the Authentic i had which was around ( serial318) where the chimney chabered came in one chamber with 2 different screw caps for chamber or lenght of chimneys
compared to clone which had 2 full seperate chimney/Chamber parts easy to just change over without jamming threads and burrs.
I sold on Authentic had too many problems , used clone for a while ,

Then passed that on as
i slowly changed my vape tanks back to single coil RTA,s and more towards restrictive vapes again at lower power.
Some other RTA,s where just not ever avalible to purchase constantly sold out ,
And waiting months an months
Got tiresome ,

Id still like to try Spica RTA
( but sending a wire transfer to some bank account ) stopped that one ,, otherwise id of Glady of bought one.
even though a rip off of Gtv3 deck and Skyline JFC. Looked interesting none the less,
( So not really avalible outside of Turkey) without a Risk

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Todd caused me to get a Wanko :cry:

well that and the fact that they had already reduced them to $9 because no one else was dumb enough to buy them :)


I also bought Serpent RTA's (original ones) based on his recommendation. They worked out much bettrer than the Wanko :D
Wanko the serpent, brother.

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Having your opinion expressed on a Youtube channel does not make it any more valid than any other persons.
Same as with any opinion expressed in any media.
Still just an opinion.

Just like my opinions I express on here :D
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The Dude abides. And has awesome hair, too. :)

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