orchid flavor.. meh

[vladtepes]

I have an orchid clone that works without issue... took a bit to get a feel for build and filling.. but now no issues.. it vapes well.. doesn't leak.. and has great airflow.. so I am pretty pleased with it.. especially for 15 bucks.. here is the issue.. I made a couple different coil setups.. the firs was dual coil tight and small.. on 26ga wire.. less than impressed it seamed like it just didnt really make vapor well... so I went in a totally different direction.. 30 ga wire with really loose spread out coils.. so now the vapor is there without issue.. the thing is performing in a satisfactory way.. but the flavor is not on par with kayfun builds.. I like the airy draw of the orchid.. but I am missing the flavor of the kayfun.. this is all on a vaporshark rdna 30..

help me out.. lol

 

[Rommel]

24 gauge works best imo. Or 22 if you want to vape more complex and sweet dessert flavors. Still, orchid dont beat my Big Buddha on flavor.

 

[vladtepes]

This is making me nuts.. I just rebuilt with 26ga .6 ohms dual coil.. Vapor is great.. Flavor.. Still not so much.. Just tons of marginally flavored vape.. Same juice in kayfun.. Tastes delicious... What the hell..

 

[Zamazam]

This is making me nuts.. I just rebuilt with 26ga .6 ohms dual coil.. Vapor is great.. Flavor.. Still not so much.. Just tons of marginally flavored vape.. Same juice in kayfun.. Tastes delicious... What the hell..

Make a chimney coil with 26 Gauge. I do that on my Lemo's and it really does boost the flavor.

 

[vladtepes]

I just don't understand.. If you have two similar coils... And one setup is dual... I would expect more flavor... It's not a wicking issue because no burnt flavor... So juice is getting to the wick.. It's being heated... But the orchid troll is stealing the flavor somewhere in the middle...

 

[vladtepes]

Interesting... I just bumped the wattage to 30.. Just to see... And the flavor is more obvious?

 

[jamieg71]

Make a chimney coil with 26 Gauge. I do that on my Lemo's and it really does boost the flavor.

^^^this
Like so

The base may look huge due to the Kfat conversion..

Wicking is pretty easy just wrap around the outside of the coil and back over itself so your tails end up directly over the juice holes.
I start my wick at the back-

Ends up like this-

Edit: I do tuck the tails in before I place the chimney... In this pic they're kind of hanging out still.

I've done this same build with twisted 28 awg, and the flavor is even more pronounced.

 

[vladtepes]

Well maybe I can learn something... I'm normally like a 1ohm coil guy.. But that is single coil.. So since this is dual coil it ended up really low.. Is it normal to run low ohm builds at high wattage??

 

[UncleRJ]

I just received one in the mail.

After destroying the package to get into it, I gave it a good bath in hot soapy water, rinsed, dried and built the sucker.

Took me a bit as this was my first time and it came without any instructions and it took a bit to figure out what to do with the wick but I installed two 30 gauge coils which came out to 0.8 ohms. I got it filled (first time leaked) but the second time I got it right.

TONS of flavor and vapor at 25 watts on my Sigelei 100 watt mod. Now I am watching it to see how quick it goes through the E-Liquid.

And I imagine it will be better with the next build

Now I just need to order a quartz tank kit for the sucker.

 

[Zamazam]

Well maybe I can learn something... I'm normally like a 1ohm coil guy.. But that is single coil.. So since this is dual coil it ended up really low.. Is it normal to run low ohm builds at high wattage??

Yep, the lower the ohms, the more power it takes to heat up the coils. The advantage is that the coils heat up very, very fast at low Ohms.

 

[vladtepes]

So since I'm on a DNa 30 the solution might be to come up a hair in resistance to allow me to come down a little in wattage..

 

[heateris]

That chimney build looks great. I'm gonna try it.


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[dud3r]

So since I'm on a DNa 30 the solution might be to come up a hair in resistance to allow me to come down a little in wattage..

I'd go for something in the . 8-1 Ohm range. Both of mine are set up with 10 wraps of 28 gauge per coil. I wrap around one of those little blue handled screwdrivers that come with everything. That should put you right at .8.

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[MKPM]

Follow this CLOSELY and be happy!
http://vapingunderground.com/thread...famous-mickey-mouse-ears-orchid-builds.32290/

 

[BigNasty]

Follow this CLOSELY and be happy!
http://vapingunderground.com/thread...famous-mickey-mouse-ears-orchid-builds.32290/

Hey the images are not showing up.

 

[vladtepes]

I have just about given up on this thing.. sometimes vapes well.. sometimes leaks all over the place.. I am just over fighting it...

 

[Rommel]

Try quads. Works amazingly well.

 

[BigNasty]

Try quads. Works amazingly well.

That sir is trying my upper level of patience for something that is not my vaping style at all.

 

[Rommel]

What is your style then?

 

[BigNasty]

Dripping, wide open airflow.
Not a mouth to lunger, that is for stinky suckers and people who use tanks with limited draw.

 

[Rommel]

Yeah. Well in that case quads on a drilled orchid might be just your thing. Flavor is immense, clouds are thick and i can take one second lung inhales with this. I encourage everyone to give it a try.

 

[BigNasty]

Dude I learned from kayfuns, a fogger and this that tanks are not my thing.
Why on god's green acre would I waste time fucking around with something not my style for an even bigger chance of something even more not my style?
All that is going to do is wreck a mod, waste my time, my drill bits and my wire to further piss me off.

 

[Zamazam]

Hey the images are not showing up.

Disney musta sent lawyers after him for copyright infringement of "Mickey Mouse"

 

[Rommel]

Dude I learned from kayfuns, a fogger and this that tanks are not my thing.
Why on god's green acre would I waste time fucking around with something not my style for an even bigger chance of something even more not my style?
All that is going to do is wreck a mod, waste my time, my drill bits and my wire to further piss me off.

Okay then. That escalated rather quickly. Why are you commenting in the first place if this is not your thing? Go to a thread that is your thing?

 

[BigNasty]

Okay then. That escalated rather quickly. Why are you commenting in the first place if this is not your thing? Go to a thread that is your thing?

Easy because a peanut gallery comment about "oh just do this, this and this and this to mod this it will be your thing". stupid ECF mentality there.
Simple tricks to get it to passable useable flavor, ya suggest away.
but to sit and tell me I need to bore out something to get it passable for your style of vaping is just short sighted and pointed that out to you.
If you have to heavily modify something to get passable results then it maybe more worth your time to find something that works correctly the first time.

 

[Rommel]

There is no possible way for this convesation to end in a positive way, so i stop right here. But just to clear things out, i wasn't even replying to you in the first place...

 

[BigNasty]

There is no possible way for this convesation to end in a positive way, so i stop right here. But just to clear things out, i wasn't even replying to you in the first place...

the flavor is not a airflow issue this, the chimney/chamber is. That is the restriction point. A cheaper non perma solution is swap out the chimney.
Instead of attacking it with power tools.

 

[sohkis]

haha, had to..

I don't seem to have a flavor issue w/my orchid, in fact i think it produces great flavor as well as vapor.

 

[Rommel]

Yeah, so does mine. Especially with quads, drilled airflow and stock chimney.

 

[jamieg71]

Yeah, so does mine. Especially with quads, drilled airflow and stock chimney.

I think you've inspired me to try quads on my orchid. Any recommendations on gauge, wraps etc? I just switched from 24awg six wrap duals, ( .24-.26ohms generally), to 26awg dual parallel 8 wrap on a 2.4mm, ( .2ish) and the flavor is pretty great. I'm always up to try something new and enjoy a challenge.

 

[Rommel]

I think you've inspired me to try quads on my orchid. Any recommendations on gauge, wraps etc? I just switched from 24awg six wrap duals, ( .24-.26ohms generally), to 26awg dual parallel 8 wrap on a 2.4mm, ( .2ish) and the flavor is pretty great. I'm always up to try something new and enjoy a challenge.

I did mine 27 gauge, bot quads and zipper coils zipper is better suited for mechs and quads for regulated, super tasty around 50w. Couple pics:

 

[fq06]

Easy because a peanut gallery comment about "oh just do this, this and this and this to mod this it will be your thing". stupid ECF mentality there.
Simple tricks to get it to passable useable flavor, ya suggest away.
but to sit and tell me I need to bore out something to get it passable for your style of vaping is just short sighted and pointed that out to you.
If you have to heavily modify something to get passable results then it maybe more worth your time to find something that works correctly the first time.

So someone starts a thread asking for help/ideas for an orchid.
Multiple people that have used the orchid for a while post their thoughts.
You say these people have a stupid ecf mentality? Sounds like ecf isn't that bad of a place.

You offered nothing to this thread other than trying to start a fight... but it's the rest of the peanut gallery that has the ecf mentality, not you right?

 

[fq06]

Op, sounds like you have a regulated device, that makes the trial & error a little easier. Try different wattage settings along with the different coil resistances and styles. Take a little bit of a session to try multiple ideas that have been given and don't fill your tank till you find something that is getting the flavor you want. Just drip a couple drops down the chimney every few toots to keep the wicks wet while you give it a go. That way you are not dumping a tank when you decide that resistance isn't for you and you want to wrap a different set of coils.

You can even try single coil on the orchid if one of the air holes has threads in it for a grub screw to plug up one side.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the height of the coil off the deck has an effect too. I like the coil close to the air hole... not so close to the deck it cooks the insulator when dry firing, but close.
That's not for you? Try the opposite, raised Mickey Mouse ear build.

 

[BigNasty]

Op, sounds like you have a regulated device, that makes the trial & error a little easier. Try different wattage settings along with the different coil resistances and styles. Take a little bit of a session to try multiple ideas that have been given and don't fill your tank till you find something that is getting the flavor you want. Just drip a couple drops down the chimney every few toots to keep the wicks wet while you give it a go. That way you are not dumping a tank when you decide that resistance isn't for you and you want to wrap a different set of coils.

You can even try single coil on the orchid if one of the air holes has threads in it for a grub screw to plug up one side.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the height of the coil off the deck has an effect too. I like the coil close to the air hole... not so close to the deck is cooks the insulator when dry firing, but close.
That's not for you? Try the opposite, raised Mickey Mouse ear build.

I think a ton has to depend on the source of the device.
Fried insulator is very easy to achieve if the deck is not big enough to get an actual build in there, mine happened to be about a palm hair larger than a kayfun build deck, added with the short chamber equals shortville.

 

[fq06]

I have just about given up on this thing.. sometimes vapes well.. sometimes leaks all over the place.. I am just over fighting it...

If you are getting leaks and bottom filling you don't have a good seal somewhere. I tighten the shit out of the top and base so there is no lost vacuum. Does the chimney start to unthread when you take the tank off from a real tight oring seal on the pipe? If not try a fresh or different oring to get a real tight seal there.

When you fill it from the bottom, do it somewhat slow so juice doesn't get forced in the juice channels. Don't fill 100% to the top, leave some air in there to get a vacuum.

Really, the only way for a orchid or kayfun or any of the others that use the same principle will not leak if it's all sealed up... and not sitting on it's side.

 

[fq06]

I think a ton has to depend on the source of the device.
Fried insulator is very easy to achieve if the deck is not big enough to get an actual build in there, mine happened to be about a palm hair larger than a kayfun build deck, added with the short chamber equals shortville.

Yep, it's a tight build area compared to a dripper. I build 2.5mm coils without any issues but i have used the orchid since it was released so i am very familiar with it and comfortable squeezing that size coil in there without touching the chimney or the posts and I don't raise it. I would think a good percentage of people build 2mm coils since it leaves a lot more room in there but the 2.5 has more wick to keep up with a low resistance build.

Hairy palms huh? Lol

 

[BigNasty]

Yep, it's a tight build area compared to a dripper. I build 2.5mm coils without any issues but i have used the orchid since it was released so i am very familiar with it and comfortable squeezing that size coil in there without touching the chimney or the posts and I don't raise it. I would think a good percentage of people build 2mm coils since it leaves a lot more room in there but the 2.5 has more wick to keep up with a low resistance build.

I did my last build in it two nights ago, still super frustrated doing it... I hate wasting wires.
The 22mm orchid is super tight,again depending on the vendor.
The one huge wtf is the one piece chimney.. come one 2014 design with 2009 ideas of blind builds is just ugh.

 

[fq06]

Totally agree but now you can get a 2 piece from FT for $2.28
https://www.fasttech.com/products/2034900
Great for inspecting your build before buttoning it up and also pushing the wick tails back down to the deck once the chimney has been threaded on and pulled the trailing side wick tails up... which you wouldn't know is happening with a 1 piece chimney.

Wasting wire? That's what... <$0.10 per build? I don't mind burning through some wire to find a build that gives me the most satisfaction from my atomizer.

 

[BigNasty]

Just not a tank user, I might revisit them one I get a regulated I like and can approach a tank with tinkering in mind.

 

[ButtKickers]

I have just about given up on this thing.. sometimes vapes well.. sometimes leaks all over the place.. I am just over fighting it...

I want to see how you're placing your coils, and wicking.

Low flavor tells me that your coils aren't low enough over the air channels (they should be damn low)

Flooding tells me your wicking isn't pillowed over the juice channels correctly. Post some pics of your build, and how you wick it, so we can help better


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[vladtepes]

I really do appreciate the help.. but I am pretty much over this thing.. I picked up my first RDA and built a very simple dual coil 26g .6 setup.. and the thing is amazing in every way.. I may look into something I can build dual coil on with a tank.. but I am just fed up with this clone.. I genuinely appreciate the help.. but its just not worth the aggravation.. I feel like the flush air flow hole just makes no sense to me.. there is just so much potential for leaking.. this is just not the tank for me.. my Lemo has been great.. if I could just get something like that with a bigger deck and chimney for dual coil I would be all in...