POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS OF VAPING AND ECIGS

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  1. vapingmandycat

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    Some side-effects noted by e-smokers: Weight gain, notably, wallet has more money in it and weighs you down. Smoking indoors increased, irreparably harming people nearby with nontoxic vapor. Increased USB power consumption. Feelings of fraud/enlightenment when smoking near people using actual cigarettes. Ability to run without wheezing. If wallet gets too heavy to carry consult your doctor or accountant.



    all kidding aside there are some side effects and they are dependent on the user

    1. could have slight sore throat, (adjust the PG/VG RATIO, pg can cause sore throat)

    2. acne break out ( could be from pg, but for most it goes away after quitting smoking in about a month, some depending on person can still have breakouts)

    3. Allergic to PG OR VG, you would know from a rash, hives, etc symptoms of being allergic.

    4. light headed or dizzy? (this could be to high of nic, lower your nicotine)

    If you have problems with health that were not present before you should quit vaping until you have seen or spoke to a doctor
    Always listen to your body. Every one is different with their limits of use



    if you know of other common side effects that have occurred with you please post and write if it changed and what you did to avoid it,

    also always drink water, and keep hydrated when vaping, the fluid can also help with any mild sore throat.
     
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    There is a known link between PG (propylene glycol) and tinnitus (ringing in the ears). This was discovered, not from vaping, but from ear drops that contain PG: http://www.dizziness-and-balance.com/disorders/bilat/ototoxic_drops.htm
    When you vape, vapor spreads throughout your throat and sinus cavities, which are connected (via the eustacian tube) to your middle ear. PG is known to be ototoxic.

    I vaped using PG for months before I noticed my tinnitus worsening. I've had tinnitus since I was a kid, unrelated to ear drops or vaping. A little google-fu led me to many articles showing a possible connection. I switched from high PG to low PG liquids. No improvement. I switched to 100% VG base, and the tinnitus quit worsening, but it was still far LOUDER than before I began vaping.

    I already DIY'ed my own liquids. A few months ago, began limiting myself to 100% VG base and no more than 3-5% flavoring, if the the flavoring is PG-based. It took 8 weeks to notice any improvement, but it has continued improving since then. If I vape a little too much PG throughout the day, the ringing gets louder. Even vaping plain, unflavored VG - it takes a couple days to recover from it.

    If you've noticed new or worsening tinnitus since you began vaping, PG may be to blame. Google propylene glycol, ototoxicity, and tinnitus to do some research, and consider using maximum VG liquid instead. I've talked with many other vapers who have had issues, including louder ringing, changes in tone, and throbbing sounds. Some never had tinnitus before vaping, but the majority did. Several I know who have drastically reduced PG in their liquids have noticed improvement. Some noticed quickly, most took many weeks or months. Some had only to drop the VG in their nic base. Some had to move to zero-PG, even using alcohol-based flavorings. I consider myself fortunate that I can apparently tolerate some PG-based flavorings, because there aren't many alcohol-based flavorings I like.
     
  3. Giraut

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    I've had *exactly* the same experience as HeadInClouds with tinnitus. Stay away from PG: the stuff is NOT innocuous.
     
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    on the lighter side.

    To us older ex-smokers, we can now become a burden to our kids or Grandkids that have been looking for us to die sooner because we smoked and get our money and stuff........

    Now we can live longer and spend it all....
     
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    Spend it, yeah. Big thing is, I will be spending it in a much healthier physical state so the only burden for my kids will simply be not having my stuff. I'm thinking about selling everything right before I die and buying hundreds gallons of nic, VG, and flavors just to make a point.
     
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    The only side effect I have is, it's a hell of a lot more fun than smoking.
     
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    Thanks for great post. My opinion is same as Scuba-Matt write, what cigarettes[​IMG] more dangerous than e-cigs!
     
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    Thanks for the post and the PG "warning". I'll try to drop the PG a bit as I knew the ringing was related to my quitting smoking and starting vaping, but hadn't completely figured it out yet.
     
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    OK - Real Newbie Here So Please Excuse Me. What Is The PG and VG you guys are speaking of?
     
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    PG = Propylene Glycol
    VG = Vegetable Glycerin

    Either are required to make your vapor.
     
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    So VG is Good, PG is bad. How can I tell whats in the juice since there is no list of ingrediants?
     
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    How viscous the juice is is a good indication. If it's runny, it still might be VG and water but no PG. The taste and throat hit gives away the PG immediately for me. And of course, if I insist on vaping it, the ringing in my ear that ensues after a few hours is a dead giveaway too.
     
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    Headaches and dehydration

    I find I have to drink considerable more water or I dehydrate faster...and then get headaches

    Chain vaping is the culprit I would bet money

    Before I got used to vaping I also got "vaper tongue" where I would either loose all taste or my tongue would feel "numb" solution to that was either drinking more water and/or brushing my teeth and tongue real good...eventually I got used to it and no more vaper tongue
     
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    Not necessarily at all. PG is used in asthma inhalers! I can't vape high VG, some can't vape high PG. Neither are 'bad' for you :)
     
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    This would explain the headaches when vaping for a period of time. Could the tightness in the chest be a symptom also?

    Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2
     
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    The ringing in My ears is from the 12,000 watt stereo in my house. I think Bose & Kicker have something to do with it.
     
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    No it is not like that. Everyone is different. I use a variety of mixes to achieve different effects. I can vape 95% PG or 100% VG with some flavoring & it does not effect me at all. I always have something on hand to drink. You should do that anyway. The level of Nicotine I use depends on what mood I am in. From 36% to 0%. It's a Me thing.
     
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    Thanks for the input. I suppose one persons tolerance to something could be greater or less then another's. It would be a try and see kind of thing ?

    Simply Newt
     
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    Actually that's not quite true: PG is a known ototoxic, VG isn't.

    When I told my family doctor I had isolated PG as the cause of my increased tinnitus, he told me it din't surprise him because PG is supposed to be kept away from the inner ear, and vaping sends some directly there through the Eustachian tubes. The toxicity of PG to the inner ear is the reason why doctors won't prescribe PG-based eardrops to people who have ruptured eardrums.
     
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    You are completely correct. Like one person gets wild after a glass of wine, another may have 2-3 bottles with no effect. One HUGE word of caution. If you decide to make your own juice be so careful with Nicotine you can't stand it. It's like a gun, perfectly safe if used correctly, dangerous if not.
     
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    I had no idea about the tinnitus. Working in a shop doing front end work, I've gotten used to the occasional ringing. But the other evening, after a fairly quiet day at work, my ears started ringing pretty good. Thought it was odd. I usually go for juice flavor & strength over mixture. I guess it's time to try diluting or shop around a little more.
     
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    if a company does not label the pg/vg mixture rate...don't buy it. It should also have the Nic level labeled as well.
     
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    OPINION PIECE.

    PG btw is not as dangerous as some might have you think. There are many useful applications with it. Yes, some people have allergic reactions to it, PG can trigger affects to those with other diseases that focus in the lower intestines, a very low percentage of people experience this. . I have noticed that the people who push the scare tactic to use VG pure juices, own VG only vape juice companies, or their friends do, or they get lots of free samples when they do reviews for them....VG is great for sub Ohmers and cloud chasers...however when a company is buying it in 55gal drums, purchasing multiple drums gets them a great discount...so they can make cheaper and not spend as much on flavoring, since VG only juices do not carry flavor as well.....One of the companies out there are especially guilty of pushing PG fear...I wont say their name...but they don't get laid....if you get my drift...Dirty sales tactics. Every person will have different experiences, so give em all a try, but be attentive to your bodies reaction....also, PG will dry you out faster than a heat wave in Palm Springs in July....DRINK LOTS OF WATER, if you get to dry, your ears will suffer which can lead to ringing, as will your sinus drying out and your breathing stunted do to lack of moisture. Moisture is very important to beings that are 80% water to begin with.

    Opinion Piece. EDITED.
     
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    This is really good info, great post!
     
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    Bah, im having trouble finding the link. The food sites claim it is Gluten Free as an additive, however I just watched a video a few days ago where the lady shows that in its chemical transitions, it was a gluten or is a form of gluten....I will keep looking for the video, If I can not find it, I will edit the older posts.
     
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    Ok, the report I had watched and read claims that it is cross contamination for the VG, NOT THE PG. Im very sorry...so VG can cause some to experience slight gluten reactions. Here is a cut n paste of the article.

    Soybeans commonly are grown in rotation with wheat crops. That means the farmers use the same fields to grow soy and wheat, along with the same combines to harvest them, the same storage facilities to keep them and the same trucks to transport them to market. As a result, soy can be subject to gluten cross-contamination — in some cases, lots of gluten cross-contamination.

    For example, a 2010 study by celiac dietitian Tricia Thompson on gluten in so-called 'gluten-free' grainsfound that soy was one of the worst offenders — in fact, one sample of soy flour contained a whopping2,925 parts per million of gluten (for comparison, less than 20 parts per million generally is considered "gluten-free," although many people react to even less gluten than that).
     
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    In ANY case, this is a good thing to know.
     
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    Huge "ditto" here..
     
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    Yes Everyone is Different I've had a good case of tinnitus for over 30 yrs. Started right around the time I started a certain anti depressant med-but that could also just be coincidence. Got to the level it now about 20 yrs ago and hasn't changed. I am so used to it I don't usually notice it[until I read the word in thus thread. Vaping about 40PG/60 VG for 4 months don't notice a difference. But I am moving to 20/PG/80 Vg for other reasons emerging studies about toxins released during high Voltage/wattage vaping are pointing towards PG as contributing to this. At least the ones I have read recently
     
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    I got mine when I contracted meningitis as a kid. I've had it ever since. You can learn to forget it if you don't think about it, or if you accept it completely with a very zen-like attitude. It's taken me years to get to the point where it doesn't affect my life anymore.

    The increase in tinnitus due to PG was a bit of a blow to my morale, because my tinnitus had stabilized for 20 years. I'm really glad it's come back down since I've banned PG from my juices: I was afraid I had done permanent, extra damage and it would stay louder forever. Fortunately it was reversible. But I won't touch PG anymore all the same, I can't afford the risk.
     
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    Not wanting to go off topic here, but this is not entirely true. It may not be gluten per se, but I have a child who can't eat those grain products that contain gluten without nasty side effects. While it has become a fad, there are people who are not celiacs who have problems with gluten products!
     
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    Celiac disease affects 1 in 100 according to studies I have seen. I was diagnosed just over ten years ago when it was considered a rare disease. Off topic I know. Having said that I will also say I have never had problems with VG juices but PG does not agree with me at all.
     
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    One of my recent "converts" (my hobby is converting smokers to vaping) had a violent reaction to PG: after 5 or 6 puffs, he became all red and started a hacking cough that wouldn't go away. After giving him DIY samples with various concentrations of nic, PG and acid, it turned out to be the PG. He doesn't like straight VG because there's no throat hit, but 20% PG is all he can manage - and that provides more than enough TH for him.
     
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    Dr. Mike Roizen just posted an article on Yahoo claiming Vaping is just as bad as smoking, eating like a pig, and being generally stupid. Wonder how much big Pharma paid his stupid ass to say that? Oh he took a swing at Pot too.
     
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    Just read it. Vaping is at least not very touched on, but aside from the poor nutrition leading to obesity, what a load of shit. I vape, and participate in that "Colorado experiment," and I happen to run at least 35 miles a week. I've compared before and after, and I've had no adverse affects in my breathing. I've been running faster than ever improving 5 months in a row, actually. I certainly feel the same. Vape on!
     
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    my breathing has greatly improved since I started vaping,
     
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    I saw the article as cheap entertainment by a Quack big pharma has in their back pocket. I did think other Vapers would like to see it before it got laughed off the web. :D
     
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    VG AND PG HELP make the eliquid, but some have reported issues using more pg in their blend than vg, It seems to be more have allergies to pg than vg. The only issue i have with pg is if too much in my mix my throat will get irritated and feel sore. I have no issues with a 40pg blend and 60vg blend.
     
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    I like them at 50/50, I also started drinking water like a mofo, so i have not had any more problems getting dried out now either. Who would of though, in order to get me to finally drink water, Ide have to start vaping....
     
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    I think ear ringing issues are the result of something not mentioned yet. I suffered left eardrum issues since childhood. While smoking cigarettes I had an annual sinus infection that had to be treated with antibiotics. This was a result of "puffing" . When you puff hard your eardrums tend to get a workout that is not healthy. Eardrums will tend to be convex versus concave. I suggest using the largest hole available on your tank or RBA...just a thought..
     
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    yeah the PG can affect those with tinnitus as well. Also, if your all dried out from the PG, the ears, nose and throat can wreak havoc on you. I cant use Aspire style ego tanks anymore, they get me ringing in a heartbeat. I was going to try and drill out the holes in one however, I liked the ego pens when I am in the car. Mix driving around in a car that has blacked out windows, tattoos on your head neck and hands, with a little black box that has a shiney tank on the end of it, you can get some pretty awkward looks.....I scare people enough as it is lol.
     
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    I'm really glad that you two want to do something with your lives, and that you're ambitious, and that you want to make it big in the vaping world (like the hundred kajillion other shops before you), but... kindly go fuck yourselves and go spam another forum. ECF is a good place for you. They'll love you there.
     
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    PG is known to be ototoxic. ENT specialists have long known that; it is not disputed.
    I am one of the many people with pre-existing tinnitus who cannot vape PG without a vast increase in the noise level. It's not uncommon at all.
     
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    Other than having to hydrate more often when vaping, I've noticed this odd side effect of never smoking another cigarette again and feeling great since I started...it's just puzzling...
     
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    Member since... Today! Come on man. I wish you luck, but asking random people for money to start a business is a joke.

    Oh, and I like vaping. A side effect for me has been learning a ton about electricity. At least a ton for an previously naive guy such as myself. ;)
     
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    Higher PG gives me "leg cramps" for lack of a better way of describing it. I used to vape 70% pg for the throat hit, and my legs would hurt. Put up with it for a long time. Once I switched to 70% or higher VG, legs felt better. No other variables that I can think of, other than flipping vg/pg percentages.
     
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    Sounds like dehydration - you have to drink much more water with high pg.
     
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