dunno if you can read my reply with your head so firmly wedged up your own ass.
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Holy shit Huck, your right. The odd foreign wording is what gives it away. Oh, and the complete disconnect from context.
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I'm not so sure. But I want to hang around them for discount if possible.
The other post is how outstanding the customer service is walking them through the diy.
These fucking retarded shills and hucksters need removed.
Hucksters? LOL, not me dude!
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Nooooooo! He's def not talking to you
LMAO, I need a name change, please.
Man I hope to see those posts magically gone in the morning. She's dangerous.
Man I hope to see those posts magically gone in the morning. She's dangerous.
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YOU GET CALLED OUT AND START OFFERING COUPONS!!!??
Holy shit that's funny!!!
And to think, I was seriously considering buying from you guys.
No way..
Huckleberry hound was one of my favorites growing up.
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No, I'm awaiting for Ryan to give me one for my next purchase if there is, since my order has already been made.
Nope you are correct. 2 more members with low post counts are coming out an promoting Hiliq big time. It's called Guerrilla Forum Marketing and is a well know practice, one member asks a question, the next promotes the product, the first member praises the service and support, the other member confirms and offers "special deals". This practice usually involves sock puppet accounts and one or two actual human beings behind the keyboard.
Another example is with penny stocks and the people who buy large quantities of the securities and then create a buzz, or utilize Guerrilla marketing to drive the price up and dump the stock.
I'm guessing they're trying to hit all the e-cig forums - they hit reddit about a month ago but didn't get the warmest of receptions. I say "they", could really be just one person and their sock puppets (On some of the reddit threads, it was all of them just talking to each other about how great hiliq is (all registered the same day).
Yes, zoe-vaper is there. Funniest post? https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic...h_website_do_you_recommend_for_eliquids_guys/
And the one where A_Shelly777 posted and forget she was a puppet so posted with "her" email addy in the post https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/2qwdrt/what_flavor_do_you_use_most/
"Message at [email protected] if you need Check what's the research result by the ECF Forum What flavor do you use most? Fruit flavors? Tobacco Flavors? Food? Vape Cooler?"
ROFL!. Busted!!
ROFL!. Busted!!
As promised to everybody, we have taken serious consideration on the pieces of advice and recommendations you've threw in the table. Having said that, we have done our part as a responsible supplier, afterall, we support Smarter and Safer Nicotine use.
I do not mean to advertise but feel free to visit our site www.hiliq.com and check out our Pure Nicotine section. We have extended the highest caution by providing warning signs, check-box forms and pops-ups in order to keep our clients aware of the danger of Nicotine. Furthermore, we have provided numbers of cautions and read throughs they need to read before they can finally buy the product.
We do not judge our buyers to be stupid and conclude them to be among the people who are risking their lives and the vaping community for buying a product they do not fully know amidst our multiple attempts to explain. While we do our best to warn, since we are here to serve the the needing community, we cannot totally hide or remove the solution. We made this changes to protect and educate and I am pretty sure that everybody is just after this so we hope just for support and understanding.
Now, we share the responsibility to the buyers and we believe that the vapers today possess high intelligence. It's their call to buy what they need and it's our call to offer Quality products, fast shipments, honest prices and efficient services.
P.S. Advertisement banner in VU is already taken down and changed with the more appropriate one. Throw in some of your thoughts, PM me.
I do not mean to advertise but feel free to visit our site www.hiliq.com and check out our Pure Nicotine section. We have extended the highest caution by providing warning signs, check-box forms and pops-ups in order to keep our clients aware of the danger of Nicotine. Furthermore, we have provided numbers of cautions and read throughs they need to read before they can finally buy the product.
We do not judge our buyers to be stupid and conclude them to be among the people who are risking their lives and the vaping community for buying a product they do not fully know amidst our multiple attempts to explain. While we do our best to warn, since we are here to serve the the needing community, we cannot totally hide or remove the solution. We made this changes to protect and educate and I am pretty sure that everybody is just after this so we hope just for support and understanding.
Now, we share the responsibility to the buyers and we believe that the vapers today possess high intelligence. It's their call to buy what they need and it's our call to offer Quality products, fast shipments, honest prices and efficient services.
P.S. Advertisement banner in VU is already taken down and changed with the more appropriate one. Throw in some of your thoughts, PM me.
thank goodness it is not me this time, getting into trouble!
WOW that pamphlet is full of misinformation and make e-cigarettes out to be as bad as cigarettes!!! What a crappy mis guiding pamphlet!
sorry to but in off topic but I cant believe CA would put out this pamphlet without citing any studies! People getting this kind of information will have a handy color pamphlet to retort with! we need a pamphlet!
On topic, I think this thread is an excellent source of information about the precautions of using pure nic. I would love to see a nicely made chart that simply shows the mixture and materials (nic solution/pg/vg/flavor) ratio so new DIYers can have a solid reference.
In a Dave Hester voice NNNOOPPPPEE!
If hiliq honestly according to one post advised mixing 100ml bottle with 1000mg nic the level of asinine is off the charts. And here is why.
When you mix with 10, 100, or 1000mg you need to be focused on what you are doing period, esp. when you are handling stuff in the realm of LD50 land.
Lets say you are rushed and or just a brain fart you grabbed 100mg instead of 10mg and mixed up some 6mg. Missing that one zero in your calc is the difference between 6mg and 60mg.
Now lets just say you have a bottle of 1000mg laying around not cut down to safe levels... you misread that measurement and mg and instead of 6 or 60 you now have a bottle of 600mg.
The Stroop effect takes over and in a stressed or rushed state it is BEYOND easy to over look a zero.
Example
If hiliq honestly according to one post advised mixing 100ml bottle with 1000mg nic the level of asinine is off the charts. And here is why.
When you mix with 10, 100, or 1000mg you need to be focused on what you are doing period, esp. when you are handling stuff in the realm of LD50 land.
Lets say you are rushed and or just a brain fart you grabbed 100mg instead of 10mg and mixed up some 6mg. Missing that one zero in your calc is the difference between 6mg and 60mg.
Now lets just say you have a bottle of 1000mg laying around not cut down to safe levels... you misread that measurement and mg and instead of 6 or 60 you now have a bottle of 600mg.
The Stroop effect takes over and in a stressed or rushed state it is BEYOND easy to over look a zero.
Example
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In a Dave Hester voice NNNOOPPPPEE!
If hiliq honestly according to one post advised mixing 100ml bottle with 1000mg nic the level of asinine is off the charts. And here is why.
When you mix with 10, 100, or 1000mg you need to be focused on what you are doing period, esp. when you are handling stuff in the realm of LD50 land.
Lets say you are rushed and or just a brain fart you grabbed 100mg instead of 10mg and mixed up some 6mg. Missing that one zero in your calc is the difference between 6mg and 60mg.
Now lets just say you have a bottle of 1000mg laying around not cut down to safe levels... you misread that measurement and mg and instead of 6 or 60 you now have a bottle of 600mg.
The Stroop effect takes over and in a stressed or rushed state it is BEYOND easy to over look a zero.
Example
No one should drive a car either, they could mistake the turning lane for the straight lane and get into a head on collision.
And never go hunting because you are guaranteed to shoot yourself.
And never go fishing because you could drown.
And for goodness sakes don't cook on a gas stove because you'll burn your house down.
We perform dangerous tasks every day, any one of which could kill us.
Or maybe we shouldn't be allowed to do any of those things, but that sounds more like imprisonment than life
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In a Dave Hester voice NNNOOPPPPEE!
If hiliq honestly according to one post advised mixing 100ml bottle with 1000mg nic the level of asinine is off the charts. And here is why.
When you mix with 10, 100, or 1000mg you need to be focused on what you are doing period, esp. when you are handling stuff in the realm of LD50 land.
Lets say you are rushed and or just a brain fart you grabbed 100mg instead of 10mg and mixed up some 6mg. Missing that one zero in your calc is the difference between 6mg and 60mg.
Now lets just say you have a bottle of 1000mg laying around not cut down to safe levels... you misread that measurement and mg and instead of 6 or 60 you now have a bottle of 600mg.
The Stroop effect takes over and in a stressed or rushed state it is BEYOND easy to over look a zero.
Example
Um, it's entirely possible that in a stressed or rushed state a person could leave/drop their 10ml bottle of 6mg nic that they carry for refill in public and a toddler find it, drink it and die.
You're all bent out of shape because an accident can happen? It's true. Accidents can happen. The only nic death I'm aware of in the last few months didn't have anything to do with pure nic.
I strongly recommend that anyone that uses pure nic cut it to at least 10%(100mg/ml) before mixing. And by all means, know what concentrations you are mixing with. And mixing or not, do your best not to leave a bottle of flavored nic where a toddler can drink it at any strength.
Ok folks, after all this drama and sock puppet/shill action, how many people would order from Hiliq now? Personally, I won't because I source my DIY stuff in the U.S. and am not willing to pay $20 for DHL shipping for flavorings and also I have a personal policy of not patronizing stores or companies that use unethical and dated marketing techniques such as sock puppets and shills.
Hiliq, you blew it big time here. Looks like Reddit members called you out, and perhaps ECF too.
Hiliq, you blew it big time here. Looks like Reddit members called you out, and perhaps ECF too.
@Pauly Walnuts @Time you two are not getting it.
999mg is deadly toxic, fumes and liquid. Honestly you run less risk of getting fucked up handling live wild rattlers.
999mg is deadly toxic, fumes and liquid. Honestly you run less risk of getting fucked up handling live wild rattlers.
Nobody has said that it is not dangerous.
Nobody is asking you to use it. That is your choice.
Now. How about you recognize that some people may choose to use it and that it is their choice to do so?
If it is too dangerous for you, nobody is going to force you to use it. I don't force people that think vaping is dangerous to vape. I sure won't force anyone to use pure nic. There is nothing for you to be uncorked over. Nobody is forcing you to do anything and surely you should not be bent out of shape if I choose to use it.
Pure nic margin for error is pretty slim, imo make a small base batch to last a few weeks instead of opening the poison every other day to mix!
Roll the dice LESS OFTEN. Be safe and know what you'll do IF YOU MAKE A MISTAKE. Don't figure it out for the first time during a spill or splash!
All these warnings and no procedure. Consumers still have the responsibility to know how to handle a LD50 toxin, and how to handle a spill or splash is not mentioned. Seriously, go down to the local hazmat drop, buy an employee lunch, and interview him instead of asking the internet peanut gallery how to ACTUALLY HANDLE THE SH*T, wouldn't trust HiLiQ's advice after failing to advise making a base first... LOLOLOL
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No, I completely get it.
Its called 'principle'. In principle, if we are banned from one dangerous thing, we should be banned from all dangerous things. As a whole, driving a car every day is much deadlier than anything else we do, because we do it all the time. So in principle, I will not support restrictions for other dangerous things, since im allowed to drive a car, own a gun, and smoke cigarettes. Its just not a balanced approach.
And Big Nasty, speaking of unbalanced approaches, your points may go a bit farther if you didnt resort to profanity spewing and name calling, while you fly off the handle towards someone, for an idea you dont agree with.
Ive seen it often on this thread and others, and it gives your stances zero credibility.
This thread isnt really the time or place, but I figured others were getting called out, so why not one more.
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I was thinking the same thing =)
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Seems like you already have it.
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They actually answer this on their FB page, July 2014:
10 Safety Measures on how to use Pure Nicotine.
By: HiLIQ (www.hiliq.com/?nl)
1. HiLIQ’s Pure Nicotine is only marked with red dot on its bottle. We do not imprinted “Nicotine” for customs’ checking purposes. Keep it away from children at all times and inform adults of the content of the bottle so to avoid misuse.
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Funny- We don't even know the actual quality and taste of this nicotine.
Today you can buy 100 mg nicotine from multiple sources in the U.S. ($40-50 per liter with free shipping) for less than HiLiq's price. We already
know the quality and taste from hundreds of reviews. Why bother sourcing from China when a better value can be had in our own backyard?
Today you can buy 100 mg nicotine from multiple sources in the U.S. ($40-50 per liter with free shipping) for less than HiLiq's price. We already
know the quality and taste from hundreds of reviews. Why bother sourcing from China when a better value can be had in our own backyard?
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You're declaring 999mg nic, a Class 6 toxic substance, as vegetable glycerin?
So much for the 'dangerous or toxic liquids' statement for the USPS.
And to think, they look funny at me when I ship juice that is 18mg...
whoa agreed that is shady and whoopsie as hell?
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In a PM with another vu member, I stood up for hi liq's shipping policies, believing they were in accordance with safety procedure and US law.
I now see I was wrong and I apologize.
I'd like to know what US customs would say if they knew this information.....
We are not here to bother all of you who do not need our service. We do not force anyone to buy and we are just open to those who needs us. If you have current supplier and enjoying it, we are happy to know there are a lot of sources out there satisfying many users. It's a good thing for the community. Afterall, we are just one of the sources and if people feels the need to order from us, interested with the products we offer, we are happy to serve and offer what we have. We respect all the recommendation and info and we have done our part. We listened and we are happy with the results, big credit goes out to your voices.
So far, our global clientelle is happy with our service and we will keep to satisfying them. They mainly buys because they know and agree with the terms and conditions we laid on the website. They know exactly what they need and the product they are buying. It's a two way relationship. The vaping community have high sense of responsibility and intelligence so we leave to them the choice, so as to all of you here.
I would love to answer all of your questions but it seems to becoming a bullet hitting right back to us. We are here as Authorized Wholesale supplier and not as a vendor. So our target consumers are different. I hope everybody can share some love to HiLIQ and to me as a newbie in the Forum.
Thanks, VU!
So far, our global clientelle is happy with our service and we will keep to satisfying them. They mainly buys because they know and agree with the terms and conditions we laid on the website. They know exactly what they need and the product they are buying. It's a two way relationship. The vaping community have high sense of responsibility and intelligence so we leave to them the choice, so as to all of you here.
I would love to answer all of your questions but it seems to becoming a bullet hitting right back to us. We are here as Authorized Wholesale supplier and not as a vendor. So our target consumers are different. I hope everybody can share some love to HiLIQ and to me as a newbie in the Forum.
Thanks, VU!
They will soon.
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No thank you. You would be declaring me straight to PRISON.
I personally don't like prison.
I am sorry I got snarly with ya man.
With that revelation I am a wee bit shocked.
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All it would take is ONE broken bottle or ONE random search from US customs!
Who do you all think would catch the charge?
China vendor (out of US customs jurisdiction)
OR
US buyer (IN US customs jurisdiction) ?
Who do you all think would catch the charge?
China vendor (out of US customs jurisdiction)
OR
US buyer (IN US customs jurisdiction) ?