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Tried Rayon, meh wasn't blown away. All the fancy Vape specific Cotton like Cotton Bacon, it's OK. Still love my Koh gen Do, wicks great, no nasty flavors, very easy to use, inexpensive, what can I say it's the best for me. I may revisit Rayon again for I still have a bag of it somewhere.
Bottom line is don't be afraid of something new, try it and if it works better than what you had use it.
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I've tried a handful of different medium but not Koh gen Do so I'll add it to my list and give it a shot.
I know taste is subjective but so far Cotton Bacon is just working so well for me.
I like variety so maybe the Koh gen Do will fit right in, it is definitely worth at least testing it.
 

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I love using Rayon, it's the best wicking medium I've found. I picked up a 500ft coil a couple months ago, so I'm probably set for life.
 

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I've been using cellucotton (from the beauty supply store) for well over 2 years now and I have seen no adverse effects. While I also use japanese organic cotton (some attys work better with cotton) I prefer the rayon. It wicks like crazy, flavor is good, and it seems to hold up longer in most of my devices. While I have no idea if it is truly safe, I feel safe in assuming it is way better than smoking. Ultimately we don't know if vaping PG, VG, and all of the various flavorings are safe either. I chalk it up to the fact that there are lots of things that we breathe in the air that are probably worse for me and I don't really worry about it. If I was truly concerned about the safety of my wicking material, juice, wire composition, etc then I wouldn't vape at all.

Just my .2 cents
 

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I have the Graham Professional Beauty cellucotton. After giving it a chance I'm starting to like it better. I had to dilute my ejuice nic level down a bit because the rayon wicks so efficient Once my wicks were broken in I could comfortable vape it. I could see the difference. Very clean and flavorful vape. So many wicking choices. Glad I tried it.
 

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I've tried a handful of different medium but not Koh gen Do so I'll add it to my list and give it a shot.
I know taste is subjective but so far Cotton Bacon is just working so well for me.
I like variety so maybe the Koh gen Do will fit right in, it is definitely worth at least testing it.
For premium stuff I like Native Wicks Platinum Blend, IMO much better than Cotton Bacon. I have a few bags of it around, found it on sale and picked up a few more. It's really good stuff but I still stick with Koh gen Do for most all my wicking.
 

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For premium stuff I like Native Wicks Platinum Blend, IMO much better than Cotton Bacon. I have a few bags of it around, found it on sale and picked up a few more. It's really good stuff but I still stick with Koh gen Do for most all my wicking.
I love Native Wicks Platinum. Only thing besides rayon I will vape.

I buy it from Lightning Vapes as they have a wick/wire package that includes NW Platinum and 100 feet of wire for $5-6 total. Great deal IMO.
 

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I love Native Wicks Platinum. Only thing besides rayon I will vape.

I buy it from Lightning Vapes as they have a wick/wire package that includes NW Platinum and 100 feet of wire for $5-6 total. Great deal IMO.
yeah great stuff, this place had it on sale for $3.50, picked up a few more bags and have them stashed away

https://www.vaporworld.biz/accessories/native-wicks-platinum-cotton-pouch/

Price now is $5, still not bad.

Anyway I still mostly use Koh gen Do but when I see a good sale for this I'll pick up a few bags for it is good stuff and I use it from time to time.
 

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Anyone ever do a hybrid of cotton and rayon? I can't use to the taste rayon until it breaks in. I just did a Scottish roll with cotton incased in rayon.
I always get this breaking in taste of the rayon then it settles in. It's wicking mighty fierce.
 
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Anyone also try boiling your cellucotton rayon? I boiled mine for 5 mins and rinsed in filitered water.
Dried it in a paper towel then blow dried it. The texture is more fluffy like the cotton.
The pull is more like a cotton feel. It feels like the rayon is broken in and wicks good.

On a different note,
Comparing Cellucotton 100% cotton vs Cellucotoon 100% rayon
using a wotofo troll v2 and wotofo lush rda, .14ohms dual alien coils

After taste testing back and forth, I prefer the cotton taste and feel.
I get this thinner airy taste, which I would assume others call a cleaner taste with the rayon.
I get a fuller better taste with the cotton when using my diy custard.

I know taste is subjective. I've been at it for a few days now and keep getting drawn back to cotton because I get a fuller taste with thicker vapor than the rayon so far on my rda's.
I'm wondering how rayon will work in my rta's. It may taste and work better since it wicks so efficiently
Going to try it now and report back.
 

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I'm a dripper. I always go for the flavor over clouds. I do like a decent vapor side by side with my flavor.
Don't think I could just vape to get huge clouds and less flavor.

I'm very please to say that the rayon comes out on top when testing it out on my rta's.
Using it now in my Griffin.
It wicks very efficiently. Bubbles are flowing freely out of the juice holes.
The flavor I would get from my tanks could not come close to dripping, but I feel the difference with rayon.
I don't get a muted flavor and using rayon taste almost like dripping when using my griffin.
Funny thing thought, I still get this strange flavor under my ejuice flavor. Less detected as the wick works in.

I have many rta's and rda's.

So far I prefer,
Rayon for tanks because it wicks so well and the flavor is more pronounced.
Haven't been using it long enough to see how long it will last. I see from feedback that it does last longer than cotton so you don't have to switch out your wicks so often.

Cotton for rda's dripping because of the pull, flavor, and vapor I seem to enjoy more.
 

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its all about the directional nature of the fiber try it side by side comb your cotton make it as straight as rayon out of the box you will find something very quickly they wick identical.
 

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I my experience rayon and cotton behave slightly differently as wicks... cotton absorbs and holds juice, whereas rayon 'transports' the liquid more than absorbing it.
In fact I use rayon for tanks and vertical builds, and cotton for my drippers
Rayon also seems to render a more pronounced flavour, all other things equal.
 
What do they use it for in beauty supply so I can find it or is there a brand name?????
They use it to wrap around the edges of the hair line when doing perms and hair treatments to help soak up the chemicals dripping from your hair to keep it off your face. It is super fast absorption. I can see why it would be a good wicking material.
 

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Here's the thing about rayon: it seems to amplify bad nicotine. After switching to rayon (to never look back) I had to switch my supplier of DIY nic. Twice. And dump 3 brands of pre-made juice, just because they use a subpar nic, which wasn't noticeable at all when I was using cotton wicks.

In short: if you try rayon and feel that the taste of your e-liquid is harsh – try the same liquid with no nicotine. Better yet, get a better liquid.
 

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Here's the thing about rayon: it seems to amplify bad nicotine. After switching to rayon (to never look back) I had to switch my supplier of DIY nic. Twice. And dump 3 brands of pre-made juice, just because they use a subpar nic, which wasn't noticeable at all when I was using cotton wicks.

In short: if you try rayon and feel that the taste of your e-liquid is harsh – try the same liquid with no nicotine. Better yet, get a better liquid.
Better not to use Rayon is has show to let off Dioxin not alot but enough.. any processed material that is bleached and rinsed with the nastiest caustic materials is probably best left in your hair or down below ... If one is going to use it get medical grade which is not processed in the same way
 

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Better not to use Rayon is has show to let off Dioxin not alot but enough..

And if you heat a ripe banana the right way, you'll get phosgene. When you're citing an article about tampons, quote the whole sentence, would ya? "The FDA website reports that tampon manufacturers have provided the agency with results from studies conducted at independent laboratories, which concluded that the dioxin in the rayon raw materials range from undetectable 0.1 to 1 parts per trillion."

any processed material that is bleached and rinsed with the nastiest caustic materials is probably best left in your hair or down below ... If one is going to use it get medical grade which is not processed in the same way

It also contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause all sorts of things. Because the whole fuckin' periodic table causes all sorts of things in the State of California!
 

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And if you heat a ripe banana the right way, you'll get phosgene. When you're citing an article about tampons, quote the whole sentence, would ya? "The FDA website reports that tampon manufacturers have provided the agency with results from studies conducted at independent laboratories, which concluded that the dioxin in the rayon raw materials range from undetectable 0.1 to 1 parts per trillion."



It also contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause all sorts of things. Because the whole fuckin' periodic table causes all sorts of things in the State of California!

Is there anything in the world left that doesn't scare or offend Californians?
 

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And if you heat a ripe banana the right way, you'll get phosgene. When you're citing an article about tampons, quote the whole sentence, would ya? "The FDA website reports that tampon manufacturers have provided the agency with results from studies conducted at independent laboratories, which concluded that the dioxin in the rayon raw materials range from undetectable 0.1 to 1 parts per trillion."



It also contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause all sorts of things. Because the whole fuckin' periodic table causes all sorts of things in the State of California!
you like your dioxin
 

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you like your dioxin
Let me repeat: 0.1 to 1 parts per trillion. Worst case scenario – 1/1,000,000,000,000, or 1E-12, or 0.00000000001%.

In comparison, FDA's SDWA states that the safe level of dioxin in drinking water is 0.00000003 mg/L, or 3E-12, or 0.00000000003%. Or 3 times more than our worst case scenario with rayon.

You like your water? :wait:
 

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Let me repeat: 0.1 to 1 parts per trillion. Worst case scenario – 1/1,000,000,000,000, or 1E-12, or 0.00000000001%.

In comparison, FDA's SDWA states that the safe level of dioxin in drinking water is 0.00000003 mg/L, or 3E-12, or 0.00000000003%. Or 3 times more than our worst case scenario with rayon.

You like your water? :wait:
no i don't like it at all
 

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I've saved 4 bunches of 'cotton' from Dollar Store aspirin bottles. I've seen a couple of people post that it's rayon. Can anybody verify this?
 

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I've saved 4 bunches of 'cotton' from Dollar Store aspirin bottles. I've seen a couple of people post that it's rayon. Can anybody verify this?
Please don't tell us you're actually considering recycling cotton or rayon from medicine bottles?
 

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Rayon is wonderful wicking material. I made the mistake early on of using Rayon cotton. The box looks the same but is was chemically treated somehow and tasted like the nastiest crap I have ever used. Undeterred, I bought another box of the 100% Rayon (Must make sure the box says "100% Rayon) and that is truly clean tasting. Even better than my Koh Gen Do cotton. Only thing about Rayon that needs to be mentioned is that is needs to be packed a little tighter than cotton because it does not expand when it absorbs the liquid. Therefore, in a RTA it will cause leaking if not enough is used. My rule of thumb is to use about 15-20% more rayon than I use of the the Koh Gen Do cotton and it seems to work very well. YMMV.

Happy Vaping!
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Rayon is wonderful wicking material. I made the mistake early on of using Rayon cotton. The box looks the same but is was chemically treated somehow and tasted like the nastiest crap I have ever used. Undeterred, I bought another box of the 100% Rayon (Must make sure the box says "100% Rayon) and that is truly clean tasting. Even better than my Koh Gen Do cotton. Only thing about Rayon that needs to be mentioned is that is needs to be packed a little tighter than cotton because it does not expand when it absorbs the liquid. Therefore, in a RTA it will cause leaking if not enough is used. My rule of thumb is to use about 15-20% more rayon than I use of the the Koh Gen Do cotton and it seems to work very well. YMMV.

Happy Vaping!
CV :)
Sometimes even a little more. :)
 

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Given that Rayon has a higher flash point than cotton, I pretty much have to use it in my crazier 1,500W+ builds. It doesn't burn, not really, just kind of melts. So it does have a use, but for flavor I think cotton kicks it right in the ass, Rayon has some of the worst break in flavor I've ever tasted. You can get a lifetime fucking supply at Sally's, though. I STILL have the box I purchased three years ago and it's mostly full.

It wicks way better than like, everything, though. That shit holds TONS of juice.
 

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If you like vaping acids then you may like to make your own rayon.

 

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Are you a doctor? Chemical specialist? Can you confirm damage will be done? No? Then stop speculating and posting useless shit we have no way to know will harm us or not.

You anti-rayon zealots get real old, let me tell you. I see you people all over Youtube comments, posting hearsay. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF EITHER HARM OR NON-HARM, QUIT PISSING IN THE WIND. Same goes to those of you who want to tell people using Nickel wire is killing them. You don't know that, neither do we, so talking about it is fucking useless.

You're not helping anybody, just pushing your own head-narrative. If you don't trust it, great. But don't come post that shit as if you're some kind of rayon authority when I doubt you truly even know much about it outside of what a Youtube video told you. Misinformation is harmful. You are harmful. I am harmful. The air outside is harmful. Living is fucking harmful. Rayon might be too, but we don't fucking know that.

I rarely use Rayon, but I'm getting real tired of people parroting hearsay they read on the internet when there isn't a single ounce of evidence one way or the other. Please stop. When it comes to the realm of the sciences, if you don't have multiple, trusted references to back you up, what you're saying is worthless. Speculation and pseudoscience doesn't help anybody, if you think Rayon is harmful, either don't use it and shut up or go out and prove to the world what you say is true. Don't post some backwoods ass tutorial on Youtube as 'evidence'.

I know I'm being an asshole right now, but a lot of people online genuinely believe the first thing they read and leave it at that, so when you post hearsay it's fucking damaging. 95% of the internet can't be bothered to do their own research and will gladly let other people tell them what to believe, only when what they believe is bullshit that's not exactly a positive. A lot of organic cotton is still bleached with chemicals, a lot of shit is. The point is not to find the ultimate, harmless materials. It's to reduce harm, and when all there is to browse evidence wise, is a collection of soccer moms posting "Don't let little Timmy wear Rayon!." with no genuine science behind it, it isn't evidence.

Maybe Rayon is causing supercancer 3.0, I don't know. That's the point. Neither do you. Also five minutes of research found that not all rayon is made that way, like you claim, which means you posted flat bullshit.


Until a genuine, funded and trusted scientific study comes out saying Rayon is or isn't harmful to the human lungs, nobody can say for sure one way or the other. Until then, if you don't trust it, that's fine. But just because you don't doesn't mean everyone else also won't, and when you post flat out lies it's even worse. A lot of Rayon is made that way, sure, but not all of it. Same goes for nickel wire or any other 'maybe' we have floating around.
 
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