Ribbon wire and staple coils

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  1. DeepInTheAbyss

    DeepInTheAbyss New Member

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    What is a generally good gauge for ribbon wire? I wanna try to make stapled staggered fused claptons or just stapled fused claptons. If I succeed and love it it'll be my new go to adv coil. I love low ohms. My favorite setup for a fused clapton is 2 24 gauge kanthal cores with 36-40 gauge kanthal wrap. 2.5-3 mm and 4 wraps. Ohms out to .12. What would be appropriate ribbon wire to compliment what's already there?
     
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    I was looking at one brand of wire that didnt even have a gauge, temco. And then I saw another brand with a gauge. I've never worked with ribbon wire. No clue what's going on.
     
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    ribbon and square wire are measured in mm. the most commonly used sizes are .3mm and .4mm, but .2mm is also good for smaller builds. staple variants are some of my favorite vapes, and being able to build them is one of the fundamental skills required to get into more advanced stuff. we have a great group of builders here. come hang out in 'post your builds' if you need some help (and to post pics of course), and check out the official staple thread to get started (and the rest of the official building threads) :cheers:
     
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    Wtmke1 Platinum Contributor Member For 2 Years

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    I find .4mm to be easier to work with. Every time I use .3mm it twists in the coil while wrapping it. I know it's user error but it is what it is.

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    I need to rerecord a video again that I deleted, wide staples make a waterfall of bubbles when they're hot. I'm serious :xD: I love staples for vaples

    You can get 0.12 ohms dual coil easily with 0.3 or 0.4 kanthal ribbon; if you do single coils you'll need 0.4, 0.5 kanthal or 0.4 nichrome (my suggested sizes)
     
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    So dual core kanthal 24g, and 40g kanthal wrap, with .4 ribbon, will result in a .12 stapled clapton? You know, after the necessary work xD
     
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    You gotta be specific about how many strands of ribbon, or "ply" of 0.4 - keep in mind wider stacks will coil up easier, so 6 ply 0.4 ribbon is a good starting point

    Also keep in mind the size of the ribbon and the round wire - 0.4 ribbon is closest to 26g in size; you Can use other sizes mix and match, but something to keep in mind

    You going for single coil?
     
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    I usually stick with 6-8ply

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    Dual coil. The wider it is the better flavor correct? Also, since .4 is closer to 26 gauge, I couldnt really use it with 24 gauge round wire correct? So would I use .3 or .5? I literally know nothing about this but I want to move on from fused claptons to staples. Does more ply make resistance go up or down?
     
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    Can staples efficiently be used as single coil with great flavor? Last time I tried single coil it sucked.
     
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    Larger size is lower resistance, and more ply is lower resistance. Look at the diameter of round wire to help match sizes

    24g is 0.511 mm wide

    26g is 0.4 mm

    28g is 0.32 mm

    You can get it to work with gauges near there no problem, like I use 30g (0.25 mm diameter) a lot with 0.3 ribbon no problem - if you're just going to frame the ribbon with round wire and then clapton them together, it's not a big deal to match exactly

    Yeah wider coils have more area, that's why I like 0.3 so much because I can just make the coils ridiculously wide lol
     
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    And yes, this is like 0.12 ohm single coil, cloud and flavor blaster

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    Oh yea. It's easier to wrap if you frame them though I will tell you that. Not sure if it's the same with Meg or not. She makes much better coils than me

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    Frames will also help get resistance lower, and hold up better in the post holes, thats why I say there are different options for frame gauges because that can change resistance to just what you like
     
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    Would ebay be a reputable source for this stuff
     
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    What is that .12 single coil made of. Like what wires, diameter, wraps, blah blah blah
     
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    Wtmke1 Platinum Contributor Member For 2 Years

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    I've gotten temco and kbee from eBay. Most times I get it faster than from direct

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    I'm seeing .8 ribbon wire all over ebay. Apparently its popular
     
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    Ebay is good if you get good brands, I get Temco from there

    That coil is like 22 or 24 ply 0.3 ribbon, but you could do 4 wraps instead of 5 and like, 18 ply would fit in more atomizers

    You can try wire wizard if you like

    http://www.steam-engine.org/wirewiz.html

    Here's an example of how to set it up for 3mm, 5 wraps (really 4.5 wraps) and 28g frames and like, 16 ply 0.3

    You may want 0.4 if you want a low single coil, be easier

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    China claptons 0.8 x 0.3 ribbon and calls it Alien Wire hahah

    The taller ribbon is, the harder it is to coil into a staple though
     
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    If you want the best deal probably try Kbee wholesale or Master of Clouds wholesale (they have different websites for wholesale)
     
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