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  1. SMOKIE

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    Russ Wishtart of Click Bang Radio is paying out of his own pocket to get Suicide Bunny's Mother's Milk and Sucker Punch ejuice tested.

    He sent some e-liquid to Enthalpy Analytical today. They will test the e-liquid for diacetyl and 2,3-pentanedione (aka acetyl propionyl). And
    he will share the lab results when Enthalpy gets them back.


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    The results can't come back fast enough!
     
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    WTF...
    just bought a bottle of Mothers Milk...
    had no idea...
    how long have these suspicions been going on?
    im seriously out of the loop
     
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    Very much looking forward to the results, and kudos to Russ for spending the money to do that. I would imagine the cost of testing is not trivial.
     
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    smokie my man, will you post the results onto this thread as well? and can you ask him how much it cost, Ide be willing to get some of our favorite juices tested as well.
     
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    Thank goodness I found a local clone of Mother's Milk (wee bit more punch to the strawberry). This will be catastrophic is the tests come back positive, as MM and OB are easily two fad flavours right now!
     
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    Not to be a negative nelly, but I think we all know that stuff is coming back positive.

    Some of the crazy shit vendors are putting in their e-liquids is astounding; like "real fruit juice" and "pepper exctract." Last winter there was a B&M owner posting pictures on his facebook of a dozen 5 gallon drums of Skittles candy he was going to "steep in his juice in" so customers can "taste the rainbow."

    Seriously, for fucks sake.

    And wait until they figure out to start testing for what happens when food coloring is vaporized. That shit is put in seemingly 90% of vendor mixed liquids boggles my mind. IT'S NOT EVEN NEEDED. I keep seeing pictures of pink soaked wicks of "Unicorn Blood" inside RDA's that look like a bloody used tampon. Why hello there red food coloring.

    I've been DIY for well over a year now, and thank goodness. The e-liquid market has become such a fucking huge joke in the last year. Seems like 90% of them have no regard for anything but "buzz marketing."
     
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    Half of what accounts for Pluid sales is the colour.....just saying
     
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    Ecc bans clones...16,329 views / 528 replies
    Diacetyl in your eliquid...suicide bunny worst offender... 202 views / 5 replies
    wow...vapers really dont give a shit about what they are inhaling
    i think the in the know vapers on this forum need to step up and self educate some of us vapers that havent been in the game long enough to know alot of this stuff
    dont need hate replies...this news just scares the hell out of me
     
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    I smoked 2 packs a day for 23 years....I'll vape all your vape juices with diacetyl in it, just send it on over this way....it has a lot less diacetyl than the cigs did and way better than some of the other shit I smoked over the years too.....
     
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    It's quite bloody tragic what is going into the juices...and even more tragic is the lack of sanitary and aseptic technique in making them!! What makes the cracks so huge, is the sheer quantity of makers in the market now. If I make a juice from snot and bongwater and call it "Prostitute Sweat" and put it in a rainbow quartz vial shaped like a penis...I'll be able to buy a yacht inside of two years.
     
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    not sure if i said this yet, but the Diacetyl issue was driven into the minds of the sheeple by Aggrovators...you do know what aggrovators are right? This is the Big Tobacco's way of getting flavored ejuices off the market, and you are all eating it up like candy.....

    herzlich willkommen auf den Faschismus
     
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    I know, right? I've been vaping about 19 months now, and I'm actually a bit of fan of anise/liquorice at times, but when I first saw that crap I immediately thought: "Now that can't be good for you."

    It made me think it must use the same green coloring that went into "He-Man Slime" from the 80's. No thank you.

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    I realize we "eat with our eyes" but this e-liquid stuff is going tragically far without many vapers seeming to care. Remember the the "Unicorn Milk" fiasco? People were seriously okay with dumping something that looked exactly like Pepto Bismal into their tanks and thinking it was FUCKING AWESOME.

    Sigh....
     
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    I was going to post a list of chemicals in cigarettes, but it was to long for the forum to accept it.....I will stick with my vape juice, with or without Diacetyl....It has less of it than in cigarettes and less than found in a factory...LOL.
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    dont get me wrong, i would still like to know what is in my juices so I know what
    I'm putting in my lungs, but i will still choose the juice over the smoke.
     
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    I will wait for that report to come out before I jump to any conclusions about the suicidal bunny in question.

    And I think it is great for Russ to do this for the vaping community!
     
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    Meh,I say vape what you want. But it would be nice to at least know the ingredients to make my own decision.
    just my 2 cents
     
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    Depending on which lab is used it costs $130 - $200 per test but they will give a consumer a break on the price since they are not a MFG of liquid.
     
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    Thank you sir.
     
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    That astounded me. Not only that people were snapping it up, but more that the vendor did no research on that additive beforehand. The worst, to me, was one supplier selling it, an e-cig and flavoring supplier. I think they should have more accountability and do their own research. They only took that white food coloring off their site when someone else did the research for them. I call BS.
     
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    i agree its better than cigs but as far as a benchmark goes ciggies shouldn't be it! I don't want anyone banning my juices hence the reason I want testing and quality initiatives in place. as a race Humans should be sick of aimlessly consuming regardless of ingredients, we WILL be banned unless we form good QC and thats a fact you can put in your RDA and vape
     
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    good QC is FDA guidance...im not opposed to it, Im opposed to big tobacco paying the way to remove flavorings. When they are nowhere near as harmful as the products Big Tobacco has created and the FDA leaves on the shelves. Tobacco Bonds, google that one up.
     
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    love the "put that in your rda and vape it" comment, hehehehhee, you need to put that on a tshirt and sell it!
     
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    So why do you want to pay for testing?
    I've got some ant spray here if you want to vape it. Still less poisonous than cigs.


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    No. What is an aggrovator? Is that something to do with farming?? I think you mean aggravator. Maybe not.


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    Smokie....are you vaping tonight? and if so, do you have msds and lab work to make sure what you are vaping on is safe? If so, what juice are you vaping on so we can all get some to be safe....
     
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    I'll take the diacetyl, I've been vaping for over 4yrs. I won't stop just because of a Big Pharma/FDA/CDC Scare!!!:rolleyes:
     
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    And you all complain about Chinese e-juice....LOL!
    Glad to see people waking up, and seeing that the home brew stuff can be just as bad.
    Although, I'm sure the amounts we're talking about is much less the cigarettes so vaping is still good in my book!
     
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    I am utterly perplexed how people can say "diacetyl, yeah, no big deal, cigarettes have that too". Put two juices side by side, same flavor profile, one with diacetyl, one without, what would you choose? I know which way I am going. If you think popcorn lung is some big tobacco/pharma conspiracy (first off, LOL) then by all means, I support your right to vape whatever you want - I also support people's right to smoke. I would personally suggest you avoid something that is proven to have the potential to kill you, but no big deal if you disagree... I quit smoking for my health - my guess is most people did as well - so in my opinion there no need to add in something that is harmful. What all that means is this - I am all for more vendors being called out in this fashion! If you bring a juice to market, and would like the $20 - $30 a week a regular customer may spend on your juice, you should be expected to spend the $130 - $200 Smokie referenced and provide the results.
     
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    Way to go Russ!!! I only order liquid from Venders that are AEMSA members. The only way to improve industry standards is to improve your standards. If the market demands testing it will happen.
     
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    from what russ said during the ECC show, its pretty well known that juice is full of diacetyl

    as far as the comment about banning, the fact is they cant ban flavored eliquids, they can try but the work around is so easy i dont think it would even matter. even if vendors were forced to sell the same unflavored base liquid, they cant ban flavors sold separately. and they could just mix their recipe separately and still keep their brand alive.
     
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    Actually wrong. What was said was 75% of the sweet/cream flavors have Diacetyl and/or acetyl propionyl, and 25% do not. It could be all the best juices have no Di-acteyl(s). Maybe Diacetyl kinda sucks compared those without.

    Problem is we don't have any idea which were the ones that tested clean. And likely you would need to have someone who has tasted a ton of juices (like Smokie) to be able to comment on if that group is really better. I have tasted maybe 20 different vendors, and have kept away from creams in general, after having a nasty reaction to several. Maybe I hate Diacetyl taste, and I tend to be able to know if my body not agree with a substance pretty quickly. Until names are released it does not help much.

    That is why the Mother's Milk test will be so good. Just about everyone has access to a local shop where you can taste test some Suicide Bunny. If Diacetly sucks as taste, it could explain why people like Mother's Milk.

    The click bang test will be able to lead to a ton of good information. I hope that as Pip has said mutiple times before that it does not contain Diacetyl or acetyl propionyl or aceiton (sp). Regardless, so real information should hit on the next Click Bang
     
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    Diacetyl has a distinctive taste. To me, it makes the juice taste SO much better! However, there are many other flavors that are safer, so I am willing to make the switch. To me, that currently means diy as we know many vendors have not been truthful. Until better results are available, I will make my own and vape vendor juices less often.
     
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    Suicide Bunny posted the test results on their FB page.
     
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    Well???
     
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    I was going to post the pics here but the upload file is fucked up. let me try again. Nope still fucked up. Someone else will have to post them. If you believe Suicide Bunnys lab test, none in there.
     
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    Test was good, as far as the accuracy of the equipment needed.
    Confirmed no diacetyl.
    BUT, did not test for acetyl propionyl, the one that is used to replace Diacetyl but is equally bad.

    So the Click bang results will be all the more important when they hit on Tuesday.
     
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    FUcking shill on the facebook page says ten minutes ago, and i quote
    , "With all due respect, I am interested in knowing HOW the juice was tested.

    I see nowhere on "ABC's" site that they actually specialize in testing e-liquids.

    Is ABC Testing set up to actually test the Vapor that is produced?

    That lab report is quite generic and basic to the point that it leaves a lot of room for questioning, IMO.

    To be specific - Was the VAPOR tested or was it a basic/simple test of the e-liquid."


    Figgy Reing must be RJ himself lol.

    Good show Bunny!
     
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    anyone wanna test for formaldehyde?
     
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    Im pretty sure they don't use Acetyl Polysomething.....
     
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    Agree its a joke. SB already understood that Click Bang is testing. so they are not going to fake it. They did not test for all the ingredients that Click Bang did. Whoever on Facebook will never be happy with anything, so he should just not by Mother's Milk and be done with it. He can reject the teet.
     
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    lol, stop scaring the kids.
     
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    Reason number 11 why I don't use Fedbook anymore....
     
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    Celtic Fog, see how many giant font, single line posts you can do until someone comments that you are polluting the thread with meaningless garbage.

    Then after that, go onto a major rant how anyone who would point that out is a such or another. If you want to add some salt, talk about the person posts on other threads
    Ready, set........
     
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    If they didn't want my font size to change, it would not be an option.
     
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    How do u even do that
     
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    BUT I THOUGHT YOU'RE NOT ON FASCISTBOOK!?
     
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    quiet you are waking "The Fury"
     
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    Im not =), doesn't mean I can't follow the link to see the reports =), they tested all of their juices and they all came up NP>5ppm, just for their commitment to their fans, I will try their juices out. Hi m3rma1d!
     
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    I like large fonts like this one...

    "Do not wake the Fury"
     
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