Squonkers are Bonkers

[Khassy]

This is one of the major reasons I've never even gotten started down the squonking rabbit hole -- other reasons being, the FDA's shenanigans, I thought I was running out of time to stock up for the way I already vape, and of course my requirement for a very tight draw atty further complicates the issue, since I have other firm requirements such as threaded rather than o-ring caps, and the position of the airflow -- side airflow always leaves me wondering just exactly where the flavor got to.

But, since the FDA has moved the deadline back a couple years, I'm now starting to reconsider squonking, chiefly because only an RDA delivers truly saturated flavor, and squonking would remove one of my other RDA requirements: a huge well. Squonking might be the way I can remove or reduce my dependence on my 2 Achilles, which can't be replaced since they're no longer made.

But it's gotta be a regulated mod, due to my need for very-low-impact vaping (less than 10w). And, it's gotta be affordable, and so far, I really haven't seen affordable and regulated together in the same squonker.

Andria

There's always the Wraith, for regulated and affordable. Although I dunno how well it works, since I've seen both good and bad reviews on it. I love my Inbox, but I'm not sure if it qualifies as affordable to you. I'd love to get a Therion squonker, but they're a bit out of my price range right now.

I suppose since I rarely leave the house, I don't absolutely need squonkers. I could just stick to getting more/better RDAs. I just kinda like them. I think I may have pushed my husband's indulgences a little far, since this morning, after I pointed out a mod to my husband (he's looking for bday ideas for me), he replied "It's another squonker. What's different?"

 

[BrewBear]

willing to put a note for mrs bear that you won it at no cost lol

Thanks. I'm saving my pennies to pay off the single battery MOSFET from @studiovapors otherwise I would get the mod from you.

 

[BrewBear]

This is one of the major reasons I've never even gotten started down the squonking rabbit hole -- other reasons being, the FDA's shenanigans, I thought I was running out of time to stock up for the way I already vape, and of course my requirement for a very tight draw atty further complicates the issue, since I have other firm requirements such as threaded rather than o-ring caps, and the position of the airflow -- side airflow always leaves me wondering just exactly where the flavor got to.

But, since the FDA has moved the deadline back a couple years, I'm now starting to reconsider squonking, chiefly because only an RDA delivers truly saturated flavor, and squonking would remove one of my other RDA requirements: a huge well. Squonking might be the way I can remove or reduce my dependence on my 2 Achilles, which can't be replaced since they're no longer made.

But it's gotta be a regulated mod, due to my need for very-low-impact vaping (less than 10w). And, it's gotta be affordable, and so far, I really haven't seen affordable and regulated together in the same squonker.

Andria

The Wraith is the most affordable regulated squonk at the moment, ecig city had them for about $30. Not so sure of their quality, I have one that is relegated to the pile of "will fix when time allows "
When they work, they are very nice the problem is knowing how long they will do so.

 

[Khassy]

Edit: Oh, the iJoy Capo is coming out on the 20th. It's about $45. I think it's a squonker.

 

[JuicyLucy]

Suits me completely.

Andria

I would not discount getting a Pico Squeeze - they are mosfet protected and not really a mech - you just can't adjust the wattage manually. The Pico loves high ohm coils

I know you have talked about sometimes needing to crank down the wattage a tad in the morning compared to what you enjoy later in the day, but for the price, it could be an excellent first choice for your situation

Of course, your challenge will be the attie and finding the right draw

 

[DogMan]

When is black Friday? If you are on a budget then waiting for that may be the go

 

[BrewBear]

Edit: Oh, the iJoy Capo is coming out on the 20th. It's about $45. I think it's a squonker.

It is a squonk, my gripe is with the chip inside it. If they use a decent one, it is a viable option. Personally, I'd save my pennies and get the Therion 75C from FT for $108 (use the MAP code).

 

[BrewBear]

When is black Friday? If you are on a budget then waiting for that may be the go

That will be at the end of November (Friday after Thanksgiving) which in vaping terms translates into waaaay too long a wait!

 

[R3alJim Shady]

No likey? First impressions?

I haven't done anything with it besides opened the bag to bask in its shininess! I'm waiting on some contacts to finish building my Floris Little Orca so build it so it can all be new and crispy!


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[~Don~]

Uggh...hate when you get a phantom twitch when making coils lol or you spend the time prepping the tension right on triple cores only you forget to make sure your battery on the drill was fully charged...

Had my 6x6 wire run hot glued right...(16 long with hot glue at the ends and middle) started the wrap and zap...twitch lol

Able to salvage 1 coil sadly...battery died last inch so ended up tossing the second half and wrap wire

Had to wrap it fully then unravel the sides til there was good coil left...

Picture for SaGs

Still not great at making Aliens, but they Vape perfectly fine

3x26x36 N80 3mm 5wrap should be .20ish


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[AndriaD]

I get to pick the grits though...Hehe!

Then you can cook them, too. I ain't cooking anything I have to stand there and stir for more than 5 minutes.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

There's always the Wraith, for regulated and affordable. Although I dunno how well it works, since I've seen both good and bad reviews on it. I love my Inbox, but I'm not sure if it qualifies as affordable to you. I'd love to get a Therion squonker, but they're a bit out of my price range right now.

I suppose since I rarely leave the house, I don't absolutely need squonkers. I could just stick to getting more/better RDAs. I just kinda like them. I think I may have pushed my husband's indulgences a little far, since this morning, after I pointed out a mod to my husband (he's looking for bday ideas for me), he replied "It's another squonker. What's different?"

I find the Wraith for anywhere from $45 to $60, and the Inbox, even more. $45 is *just* within what I consider affordable; the most I've EVER spent on a mod was $55, and that one had custom etching (the coolfire4 with my name etched on it); I prefer not to spend over $40 for a mod, though I did pay about $45 for each of my coolfire4 TC-75w-18650s. but my favorite mods are my MiniBooks, and I didn't pay over $35 for any of them, and only $20 for one and $25 for another. Frankly I can't get excited about a squonker that costs over $40 since it will also require a dedicated BF atty, and I'll probably have to kiss a lot of frogs in that dept, before I find one I consider a prince -- if the draw isn't somewhat like a carto, I really have no use at all for it -- I'm trying to abstain from smoking, not huffing shit out of a paper bag.

Andria

 

[Khassy]

I find the Wraith for anywhere from $45 to $60, and the Inbox, even more. $45 is *just* within what I consider affordable; the most I've EVER spent on a mod was $55, and that one had custom etching (the coolfire4 with my name etched on it); I prefer not to spend over $40 for a mod, though I did pay about $45 for each of my coolfire4 TC-75w-18650s. but my favorite mods are my MiniBooks, and I didn't pay over $35 for any of them, and only $20 for one and $25 for another. Frankly I can't get excited about a squonker that costs over $40 since it will also require a dedicated BF atty, and I'll probably have to kiss a lot of frogs in that dept, before I find one I consider a prince -- if the draw isn't somewhat like a carto, I really have no use at all for it -- I'm trying to abstain from smoking, not huffing shit out of a paper bag.

Andria

Ecig City has the Wraith for $29.99. https://ecig-city.com/products/council-vapor-wraith-80w Many RDAs have a bottom feed pin that comes with them or you can buy them separately to turn it into a squonker. That's what I did with my Druga.

 

[AndriaD]

I would not discount getting a Pico Squeeze - they are mosfet protected and not really a mech - you just can't adjust the wattage manually. The Pico loves high ohm coils

I know you have talked about sometimes needing to crank down the wattage a tad in the morning compared to what you enjoy later in the day, but for the price, it could be an excellent first choice for your situation

Of course, your challenge will be the attie and finding the right draw

Not so much the mornings, though that's sometimes true, but anytime my asthma is being a pain in the ass, I have to lower the wattage a bit. Also I always start out new wicks at 9.2w, and I think I'd probably need a 4 ohm coil to get wattage that low. And then not be able to adjust it upward, as it broke in. But you're right on the money about the difficulty of finding an atty that would suit. Someone once told me that the original Chalice would probably suit me very well, but a) finding one, and b) affording it, might be a real problem.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Ecig City has the Wraith for $29.99. https://ecig-city.com/products/council-vapor-wraith-80w Many RDAs have a bottom feed pin that comes with them or you can buy them separately to turn it into a squonker. That's what I did with my Druga.

I wonder if it's possible to do that with a Magma; I've got a couple of those that mostly go unused, due to having to keep them almost completely vertical to avoid spills; if I could squonk them, then vape up what I squonked, that would be far less of a problem. I found the Magma's draw, when using just one of the smallest airholes, acceptable, and I further modified them by putting a 13ga needle in the interior airholes and cutting them off with a dremel, which tightened up the draw even more.

Andria

 

[Khassy]

I wonder if it's possible to do that with a Magma; I've got a couple of those that mostly go unused, due to having to keep them almost completely vertical to avoid spills; if I could squonk them, then vape up what I squonked, that would be far less of a problem. I found the Magma's draw, when using just one of the smallest airholes, acceptable, and I further modified them by putting a 13ga needle in the interior airholes and cutting them off with a dremel, which tightened up the draw even more.

Andria

Have you looked at the Cthulu RDA? It's got a squonk pin and is supposed to be a pretty tight draw, designed for MTL. https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10025768/8784900-authentic-cthulhu-mtl-rda-rebuildable-dripping And it's pretty affordable.

 

[BrewBear]

You might consider the Vicious Ant Cyclone v1 (not the AFC), it is slightly easier to find than the Chalice and probably at a friendlier price. I have a Chalice 2 and Chalice 3, they are great atties but the draw is not quite as tight . Another option is the Origen Little ($10 at FT) depending on the built and drip tip used, their draw could be pretty tight.

 

[JuicyLucy]

You might consider the Vicious Ant Cyclone v1 (not the AFC), it is slightly easier to find than the Chalice and probably at a friendlier price. I have a Chalice 2 and Chalice 3, they are great atties but the draw is not quite as tight . Another option is the Origen Little ($10 at FT) depending on the built and drip tip used, their draw could be pretty tight.

I'm thinking the RM2 - because it meets another requirement Andria has: top cap screws into the base

 

[AndriaD]

Have you looked at the Cthulu RDA? It's got a squonk pin and is supposed to be a pretty tight draw, designed for MTL. https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10025768/8784900-authentic-cthulhu-mtl-rda-rebuildable-dripping And it's pretty affordable.

Yes, I looked at that one the other day, but with that gi-normous driptip, and the way the airflow is adjusted, I doubt very seriously I could get it tight enough to suit... plus, the airflow is at the top? That seems completely fucked up to me, the coil certainly isn't at the top!

My favorites have always been 1) the Kayfun (Lite Plus), 2) the [original] Achilles (and Prometey, though it has no well, the draw and airflow are perfect), and now, 3) the original Lemo, to some extent. Because the airflow is DIRECTLY beneath the coil, providing the BEST flavor. Even the magma; the external airholes are in the side, but internally, directly beneath the coil -- and Magma's have GREAT flavor production.

I have a hard time tasting my vape, even after 3+ yrs smoke-free -- I've cut down the flavoring considerably in my strawberry & cream, but still use almost 25% flavoring. So airflow that doesn't go DIRECTLY over the coil on its way to my mouth just doesn't taste like anything at all to me. Yes, very likely my low wattage vaping is part of the problem there, but that cannot be changed; quitting smoking doesn't eliminate asthma, and in fact, vaping has caused my symptoms (wheezing, tightness) to get worse, so I really can't increase the heat or amount of vapor.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

I'm thinking the RM2 - because it meets another requirement Andria has: top cap screws into the base

What's the RM2? Where can I find it?

Andria

 

[BrewBear]

I'm thinking the RM2 - because it meets another requirement Andria has: top cap screws into the base

I have one of them too. I still prefer the Cyclone.

 

[BrewBear]

It is a modified atty from REO, I believe they're around $40.

 

[BrewBear]

Yes, I looked at that one the other day, but with that gi-normous driptip, and the way the airflow is adjusted, I doubt very seriously I could get it tight enough to suit... plus, the airflow is at the top? That seems completely fucked up to me, the coil certainly isn't at the top!

My favorites have always been 1) the Kayfun (Lite Plus), 2) the [original] Achilles (and Prometey, though it has no well, the draw and airflow are perfect), and now, 3) the original Lemo, to some extent. Because the airflow is DIRECTLY beneath the coil, providing the BEST flavor. Even the magma; the external airholes are in the side, but internally, directly beneath the coil -- and Magma's have GREAT flavor production.

I have a hard time tasting my vape, even after 3+ yrs smoke-free -- I've cut down the flavoring considerably in my strawberry & cream, but still use almost 25% flavoring. So airflow that doesn't go DIRECTLY over the coil on its way to my mouth just doesn't taste like anything at all to me. Yes, very likely my low wattage vaping is part of the problem there, but that cannot be changed; quitting smoking doesn't eliminate asthma, and in fact, vaping has caused my symptoms (wheezing, tightness) to get worse, so I really can't increase the heat or amount of vapor.

Andria

If you DIY, you might consider increasing PG?

 

[Khassy]

Yes, I looked at that one the other day, but with that gi-normous driptip, and the way the airflow is adjusted, I doubt very seriously I could get it tight enough to suit... plus, the airflow is at the top? That seems completely fucked up to me, the coil certainly isn't at the top!

My favorites have always been 1) the Kayfun (Lite Plus), 2) the [original] Achilles (and Prometey, though it has no well, the draw and airflow are perfect), and now, 3) the original Lemo, to some extent. Because the airflow is DIRECTLY beneath the coil, providing the BEST flavor. Even the magma; the external airholes are in the side, but internally, directly beneath the coil -- and Magma's have GREAT flavor production.

I have a hard time tasting my vape, even after 3+ yrs smoke-free -- I've cut down the flavoring considerably in my strawberry & cream, but still use almost 25% flavoring. So airflow that doesn't go DIRECTLY over the coil on its way to my mouth just doesn't taste like anything at all to me. Yes, very likely my low wattage vaping is part of the problem there, but that cannot be changed; quitting smoking doesn't eliminate asthma, and in fact, vaping has caused my symptoms (wheezing, tightness) to get worse, so I really can't increase the heat or amount of vapor.

Andria

Well, I've exhausted my very small warehouse of knowledge. I'll just leave you to the experts now.

 

[The Cromwell]

Experts?
We have experts?

 

[Khassy]

Experts?
We have experts?

Anyone that knows more than me is an expert. So, pretty much everyone.

 

[AndriaD]

If you DIY, you might consider increasing PG?

ROFL!!! I use 86%-87% PG already. If I use more, then after about a week, I get a dreadful sore throat, and raw sinuses to go with it. Hurts like the dickens! That's why I can understand those who really can't deal with PG at all without getting that burned feeling -- I just have a much higher threshold than most.

Andria

 

[BrewBear]

ROFL!!! I use 86%-87% PG already. If I use more, then after about a week, I get a dreadful sore throat, and raw sinuses to go with it. Hurts like the dickens! That's why I can understand those who really can't deal with PG at all without getting that burned feeling -- I just have a much higher threshold than most.

Andria

Never mind my "expertly" advice ,it just shows I'm not an expert.

 

[The Cromwell]

ROFL!!! I use 86%-87% PG already. If I use more, then after about a week, I get a dreadful sore throat, and raw sinuses to go with it. Hurts like the dickens! That's why I can understand those who really can't deal with PG at all without getting that burned feeling -- I just have a much higher threshold than most.

Andria

The low wattage helps you to tolerate the high PG as well.

 

[The Cromwell]

For the most part we are THE expert on what works best for US.

 

[AndriaD]

It is a modified atty from REO, I believe they're around $40.

It says they're $53 (YIKES!!!!), and out of stock. Apparently REOSmods is the only place to get them, and not even there, apparently. And a Chalice? Are they fucking kidding??? $140???????? People who think other people are MADE out of money really get my goat.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

The low wattage helps you to tolerate the high PG as well.

I think it might also be because I started using albuterol inhalers back in 1985, at which time, I think there was PG in the mix. I also had to use an albuterol nebulizer at one point, which definitely had PG, and may still contain it, in that particular mixture (for nebulizers). I know when I first started using a "huffer," it kinda tickled my throat, made me cough a little, but I gradually got so accustomed to it, I didn't feel it at all, nor even really taste it. When they went to the HFA (no CFC) inhalers, I had to start using name-brand Ventolin, because it was the only one that didn't taste like grain alcohol. As a recovering alkie, I can't afford to disregard that taste, nor come to find it normal, ever again. Plus, plain ol grain alcohol tastes pretty putrid!

Andria

 

[TrollDragon]

I wonder if it's possible to do that with a Magma; I've got a couple of those that mostly go unused, due to having to keep them almost completely vertical to avoid spills; if I could squonk them, then vape up what I squonked, that would be far less of a problem. I found the Magma's draw, when using just one of the smallest airholes, acceptable, and I further modified them by putting a 13ga needle in the interior airholes and cutting them off with a dremel, which tightened up the draw even more.

Andria

People on FT have used the YFTK BF pins in their Magma'a with great success. You have to put the pin in a drill and reduce the size of the head a little with a file or emery cloth. I have done this to quite a few RDA's that didn't have BF capability. I've also converted some of the 4 hole ones like the Royal Hunter and Mutation V3 that are not as simple as changing out a pin.

BF 510 Pins.
https://www.fasttech.com/p/7991600

TruckinVapor's Magma converted.
https://www.fasttech.com/forums/5684800/t/2318668/aeolus-lite?2318705

The Achilles could probably be converted to bottom feed but would require a bit more work.

You might find also an RDA from the all things squonk thread on FT that suits your style.
https://www.fasttech.com/forums/vapers/t/2468144/squonking-at-fasttech

 

[TrollDragon]

It says they're $53 (YIKES!!!!), and out of stock. Apparently REOSmods is the only place to get them, and not even there, apparently. And a Chalice? Are they fucking kidding??? $140???????? People who think other people are MADE out of money really get my goat.

Andria

Well up here $140 would get you 7 or 8 packs of smokes... That Chalice would serve you a lot longer than 7 or 8 days.

 

[The Cromwell]

Well up here $140 would get you 7 or 8 packs of smokes... That Chalice would serve you a lot longer than 7 or 8 days.

Down here $140 would get 4 cartons 40 packs of 20 smokes.

 

[minimalsaint]

derp

 

[MrMeowgi]

So what do you guys use to clean your squonk bottle's for a new flavor? Soap and water or some alcohol?

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[The Cromwell]

So what do you guys use to clean your squonk bottle's for a new flavor? Soap and water or some alcohol?

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I rinse well with warm tap water, empty well and then put about 1/4 full of 91% Isopropyl shake well let sit for maybe 30 minutes or so shakiing a couple of times. I just put my thumb over the opening while shaking.
Empty and sling out any excess then let air dry with the top open for a day.

soaking in isopropyl for a bit will also remove flavor from Orings.

 

[TrollDragon]

Down here $140 would get 4 cartons 40 packs of 20 smokes.

Still, the Chalice would last longer than a months worth of smokes.

 

[The Cromwell]

Still, the Chalice would last longer than a months worth of smokes.

Of course.
And yep that was a bit under a months worth for me a couple of years ago. More like 5 cartons a month.
Of course I save even more using a $12 Wasp Nano

 

[MrMeowgi]

I rinse well with warm tap water, empty well and then put about 1/4 full of 91% Isopropyl shake well let sit for maybe 30 minutes or so shakiing a couple of times. I just put my thumb over the opening while shaking.
Empty and sling out any excess then let air dry with the top open for a day.

soaking in isopropyl for a bit will also remove flavor from Orings.

Thanks. I didn't know that about the orings. Learn something new every day

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[R3alJim Shady]

What about an old UD Igo-L with a modded pin?


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[TrollDragon]

Of course.
And yep that was a bit under a months worth for me a couple of years ago. More like 5 cartons a month.
Of course I save even more using a $12 Wasp Nano

The Wasp would be way too airy for Andria. I don't know of any drippers that would be tight enough to raise the veins on your forehead like the old Nahualon and Sat22 gennys would.

 

[The Cromwell]

The Wasp would be way too airy for Andria. I don't know of any drippers that would be tight enough to raise the veins on your forehead like the old Nahualon and Sat22 gennys would.

Of course it would be way to airy for Andria. but is really nice for me and that is where my vaping expertise lies.
What works best for me

 

[TrollDragon]

What about an old UD Igo-L with a modded pin?


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No bottom airflow like the Achilles.

 

[The Cromwell]

No bottom airflow like the Achilles.

Yeah that bottom center airflow and squonkability is a problem.

Seems like I have a little zenith clone around somewhere though....

 

[Khassy]

So what do you guys use to clean your squonk bottle's for a new flavor? Soap and water or some alcohol?

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Cheap, rotgut vodka.

 

[The Cromwell]

Cheap, rotgut vodka.

Naah I drink that and use the isopropyl for cleaning.
Vodka is about 1/2 water btw.

Plus 91% isopropyl is only about $1/quart.

 

[TrollDragon]

The NoToy looks like it could be dialed down to quite a tight draw and it has a squonk pin. Looks like 3F is out of stock at the moment.

Got them funky lanyard holes in the top too.

 

[Khassy]

Naah I drink that and use the isopropyl for cleaning.
Vodka is about 1/2 water btw.

Plus 91% isopropyl is only about $1/quart.

I wouldn't put isopropyl on anything that might absorb it, but that's just me. Got the vodka for $6/quart and it was quite literally on the bottom shelf. Definitely not drinkable. It smells like isopropyl.