Thought vapers, retailers might find the following of interest.
No way to tell who has seen this or not seen it. Posting it here to help further awareness.
There is also a Reddit thread with links into the video for exact questions.
From what I'm seeing/reading/hearing a large portion of the regulation will rest upon final consumer intention. Well, I do not need to share my intention/s with anyone. I am free to think, to have intention/s all on my own.
I do not need to convey my intentions to the clerk selling me a spool of Kanthal wire, a jug of PG/VG, organic cotton pads. For all the clerk knows I'm building model rockets, maybe going to take the cotton and spin it up to make socks. I might use the wire as a make shift fuse. The clerk doesn't know my intent/ion/s and cannot honestly, truthfully tell anyone else my intent.
Of course, there's probability "reasonable assumption" might be able to apply. Though that has always been difficult to use in court. Who defines what is reasonable? How does anyone define reasonable?
I mean we're left to consider turkey basters. It is reasonable to expect you baste turkeys with them. Well, it is also reasonable they get used to inseminate a woman looking to get pregnant. They've also been used for that regarding livestock as well. So, how could anyone assume anything in the use of any object, reasonably?
People do not need or are not obligated, mandated to reveal their intention. There is no way to enforce that short of a bloody stand off. While government seems keen to push I think there are people in it which still realize the folly in pushing too far.
Also found this regarding a Federal change to tobacco age purchasing. I do not exactly disagree with such a regulation. I do however note it was passed through in a rather underhanded fashion, going on with the Federal spending bill. Why not allow for it to be done by Congress in the regular way laws are passed? Oh, possibly because it might not pass so let us let a dictator write the law?
Found this as well:
I then consider buying premixed 100% VG with nicotine from Heartland Vapes by 1 liter jugs.
1 Liter is 1,000 ml I then multiply that by the nicotine strength I use, 18 mg per ml. That gives me 18,000 mg of nicotine per 1 liter. Now, if I follow to the bill I see $2.78 as the added tax rate per mg of nicotine. 18,000 mg nicotine times $2.78 == $50,040. Then on top of that, I'm paying roughly $30 for the product and about $10 to ship it so all in $40. So now if this bill makes law I'd pay $50,080 to get 1 liter of premixed "base" ejuice.
12 mg per liter = $33,360 extra tax
9 mg per liter = $25,020 extra tax
6 mg per liter = $16,680 extra tax
3 mg per liter = $8,340 extra tax
Who pays it? Customers/Consumers. You can be sure "business" won't.
I buy my "base" in 1 liter bulk because it makes practical sense to do so. I have a 240 ml bottle I dispense it from throughout the 9 months or so it takes me to use up 1 liter. The bulk jug stays put up to avoid risking my dog getting into it. If I had human children I'd bear the same responsibility, my point being I use it responsibly as a responsible adult.
Look at what we are allowing to come down the pipe though as responsible adults. I won't go back to cigarettes or other tobacco products unless I grow the tobacco myself. I may even grow some for myself anyway at this point as a cash crop. If so I'm not planning a large plot of it, still it would be helpful to pay bills.
Weather I do or don't isn't the point. My point is I cannot afford other tobacco products, either up front financially or long term medically. I won't go back to tobacco, unless I grow it. I enjoy using nicotine though. And yes, I've read it can even be made synthetically.
Why as a responsible adult should I not be able to afford using nicotine if it is my choice? Sorry, I don't see a house down payment and mortgage as being affordable. I won't cheat, steal, maim or kill to use nicotine. But I might damn sure break what will be considered "legal".
This comes to the same argument I have over hunting and fishing licenses. I'll hunt or fish without a license before I'll see myself or family starve. I'll garden and grow food as well, license or no. I was brought up able & capable to do that, many Appalachians were. I'm sure many in the Ozark were as well. Will government then outlaw us all?
This bill taxing nicotine still needs to pass the Senate. Can we make enough noise to keep it from getting passed? I don't know. I'm not political by nature. That aside, I know damn well we don't allow for nanny states or dictators in America. Seems that's what's cooking up in D.C. currently, along with all the other corruption.
No way to tell who has seen this or not seen it. Posting it here to help further awareness.
There is also a Reddit thread with links into the video for exact questions.
From what I'm seeing/reading/hearing a large portion of the regulation will rest upon final consumer intention. Well, I do not need to share my intention/s with anyone. I am free to think, to have intention/s all on my own.
I do not need to convey my intentions to the clerk selling me a spool of Kanthal wire, a jug of PG/VG, organic cotton pads. For all the clerk knows I'm building model rockets, maybe going to take the cotton and spin it up to make socks. I might use the wire as a make shift fuse. The clerk doesn't know my intent/ion/s and cannot honestly, truthfully tell anyone else my intent.
Of course, there's probability "reasonable assumption" might be able to apply. Though that has always been difficult to use in court. Who defines what is reasonable? How does anyone define reasonable?
I mean we're left to consider turkey basters. It is reasonable to expect you baste turkeys with them. Well, it is also reasonable they get used to inseminate a woman looking to get pregnant. They've also been used for that regarding livestock as well. So, how could anyone assume anything in the use of any object, reasonably?
People do not need or are not obligated, mandated to reveal their intention. There is no way to enforce that short of a bloody stand off. While government seems keen to push I think there are people in it which still realize the folly in pushing too far.
Also found this regarding a Federal change to tobacco age purchasing. I do not exactly disagree with such a regulation. I do however note it was passed through in a rather underhanded fashion, going on with the Federal spending bill. Why not allow for it to be done by Congress in the regular way laws are passed? Oh, possibly because it might not pass so let us let a dictator write the law?
Found this as well:
I then consider buying premixed 100% VG with nicotine from Heartland Vapes by 1 liter jugs.
1 Liter is 1,000 ml I then multiply that by the nicotine strength I use, 18 mg per ml. That gives me 18,000 mg of nicotine per 1 liter. Now, if I follow to the bill I see $2.78 as the added tax rate per mg of nicotine. 18,000 mg nicotine times $2.78 == $50,040. Then on top of that, I'm paying roughly $30 for the product and about $10 to ship it so all in $40. So now if this bill makes law I'd pay $50,080 to get 1 liter of premixed "base" ejuice.
12 mg per liter = $33,360 extra tax
9 mg per liter = $25,020 extra tax
6 mg per liter = $16,680 extra tax
3 mg per liter = $8,340 extra tax
Who pays it? Customers/Consumers. You can be sure "business" won't.
I buy my "base" in 1 liter bulk because it makes practical sense to do so. I have a 240 ml bottle I dispense it from throughout the 9 months or so it takes me to use up 1 liter. The bulk jug stays put up to avoid risking my dog getting into it. If I had human children I'd bear the same responsibility, my point being I use it responsibly as a responsible adult.
Look at what we are allowing to come down the pipe though as responsible adults. I won't go back to cigarettes or other tobacco products unless I grow the tobacco myself. I may even grow some for myself anyway at this point as a cash crop. If so I'm not planning a large plot of it, still it would be helpful to pay bills.
Weather I do or don't isn't the point. My point is I cannot afford other tobacco products, either up front financially or long term medically. I won't go back to tobacco, unless I grow it. I enjoy using nicotine though. And yes, I've read it can even be made synthetically.
Why as a responsible adult should I not be able to afford using nicotine if it is my choice? Sorry, I don't see a house down payment and mortgage as being affordable. I won't cheat, steal, maim or kill to use nicotine. But I might damn sure break what will be considered "legal".
This comes to the same argument I have over hunting and fishing licenses. I'll hunt or fish without a license before I'll see myself or family starve. I'll garden and grow food as well, license or no. I was brought up able & capable to do that, many Appalachians were. I'm sure many in the Ozark were as well. Will government then outlaw us all?
This bill taxing nicotine still needs to pass the Senate. Can we make enough noise to keep it from getting passed? I don't know. I'm not political by nature. That aside, I know damn well we don't allow for nanny states or dictators in America. Seems that's what's cooking up in D.C. currently, along with all the other corruption.
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